Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

[Spinnaker]

IIRC... wasn't there a poster on here who suggested the CSK may have had a daughter (who was now the same age as the victims).... a long time before there was an arrest in the case..... ?

Does anyone recall who the poster was .... and if they made any other claims?
jmo

I do recall a WS poster mentioning BRE had a sister - see below:

Quote below by Voodoodoll76 snipped:

Originally Posted by Voodoodoll76
.....

I grew up in Huntingdale, I attended Huntingdale ps from kindy, right through to Gozzy high in the 1980's-1990's
The house I grew up in is off Fountain way- Patrick way.... Which was a newly developing area at the time.
I'd walk Fountain way daily to Gozzy high, with a bunch of other Huntingdale kids.
I had many friends who lived on Fountain way- numbers 21,25,29,31 & 49 infact.
I have 2 friends since kindy who lived on Gay street at that time- back then, Gay street was "out in the sticks" of huntingdale- properties with land/bush & it even turned into a dead end dirt road- Nowadays though-Gay street is fully suburbanised.
I'm a fair bit younger than BE
But I have many people in my life who went through school with the brother T- including my children's father.
I did however go right through schools with BE's young sister- she was the year below me- I remember her well...
My SIL went through school with her in the same year- she attended birthday party's at the Edwards' Gay street home. ... "

Link to quote:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Australia-9-*ARREST&p=13036121#post13036121

 

[Fast Eddie]

Nothing to do with Catholics or the schools attended by the his alleged victims. The CSK was an opportunistic hunter who was active when not in a stable relationship. No different to Milat. IMO the girls were tricked into getting into his car.

 

[apoptosisfutz]

I do recall a WS poster mentioning BRE had a sister - see below:

Quote below by Voodoodoll76 snipped:

Originally Posted by Voodoodoll76
.....

I grew up in Huntingdale, I attended Huntingdale ps from kindy, right through to Gozzy high in the 1980's-1990's
The house I grew up in is off Fountain way- Patrick way.... Which was a newly developing area at the time.
I'd walk Fountain way daily to Gozzy high, with a bunch of other Huntingdale kids.
I had many friends who lived on Fountain way- numbers 21,25,29,31 & 49 infact.
I have 2 friends since kindy who lived on Gay street at that time- back then, Gay street was "out in the sticks" of huntingdale- properties with land/bush & it even turned into a dead end dirt road- Nowadays though-Gay street is fully suburbanised.
I'm a fair bit younger than BE
But I have many people in my life who went through school with the brother T- including my children's father.
I did however go right through schools with BE's young sister- she was the year below me- I remember her well...
My SIL went through school with her in the same year- she attended birthday party's at the Edwards' Gay street home. ... "

Link to quote:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Australia-9-*ARREST&p=13036121#post13036121

I found an old 1998 UBD Perth street directory, which shows Gay street Huntingdale with the ,dead, end being mentioned in the post. Fountain Way is also on there.

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[Mo Joe]

I found an old 1998 UBD Perth street directory, which shows Gay street Huntingdale with the ,dead, end being mentioned in the post. Fountain Way is also on there.

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There was also a poster who talked about dead end roads as well................... jmo

 

[Mo Joe]

You'd think that a psychologist would know a sociopath when they were near them? jmo

 

[no name]

Nothing to do with Catholics or the schools attended by the his alleged victims. The CSK was an opportunistic hunter who was active when not in a stable relationship. No different to Milat. IMO the girls were tricked into getting into his car.

Absolutely agree with you on that. If Im not mistaken, the girl who was is the carpark with her brother and approached by the guy to supposedly look for his keys was in a white station wagon also

 

[Innerchild]

Nothing to do with Catholics or the schools attended by the his alleged victims. The CSK was an opportunistic hunter who was active when not in a stable relationship. No different to Milat. IMO the girls were tricked into getting into his car.

While I agree that some of the sexual assault that occurred in Claremont may have been opportunist, you have a cop swearing under oath after BRE was arrested that the Claremont serial killing were not random. They were not linked by the victims being taken in Claremont. He said he knew about the CSKillings. I have to assume he knew what he was talking about and is not lying and he will go to jail if he was.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

You'd think that a psychologist would know a sociopath when they were near them? jmo

Sociopaths and psychopaths usually themselves don't seek help from psychologists, as they feel emotions differently and they typically don't think there's anything wrong with their selves.

Family members may try force a sociopath or psychopath family member to attend counselling, but only because of all the drama, pain, and stress they cause.

Psychiatrists and psychologists will assess and treat sociopaths and psychopaths but usually only in the judicial system once they're caught.




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[Spooks-R-Us]

IMO the accused:

1. Knew SS beforehand or tricked into car then blitz hit on head!
2. Started relationship with JR.
3. CG, same scenarios as SS.

Assuming of course the accused committed SS crime even when we have NO evidence to suggest BRE responsible for SS's disappearance.
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[crabstick]

I'm not sure CGE came from Gosnells. I thought her family were from Kewdale and travelled to Claremont to run the restaurant, however can't find link at moment. Anyone confirm please?

Interesting information from Zx that CGE spent primary years in Qland and would have been here only for secondary schooling.

CG was last officially sighted outside 322 Stirling Hwy, Australian Computer Resellers, although she was further south according to Frankie and friends when she disappeared.

Information that I saw in Suttons timeline said the french restaurant that was owned by CGE's family moved to 616 Stirling Hwy'around 1994. Was the french resaurant around 322 Stirling Hwy initially?

I don't think you can put much weight into a comment when they were just trying to provide a profile that they were looking for a guy that polishes his car a lot so no link to OCD for me.

However, I've wondered if BRE knew CGE a long time before 1998 when they bought West Cost Eagles members tickets for the three of them (family membership?). I don't know if there was much of a waiting list then as there is now, but could have been. Anyhow it seems like a serious commitment to me in buying sought after Eagles member tickets at the very beginning of your relationship.

Although there seems to be no information to confirm IMO it's possible if Edwards family owned computer resellers and Geneste family owned French restaurant that they knew each other long before 1998.

I know True Blue said the relationship started in 1998, but he didn't have to give any truthful answers if he wanted to keep secrets, including whose car was in BRE's driveway, IMO.

Yep, Kewdale. As per the link but may have gone same highschool.
Neighbourhood friends maybe. BRE Kewdale athletics, Cougars?

Ms Geneste’s family were from Kewdale but were familiar with the affluent western suburbs. They operated a popular French restaurant La Petite Cabine at 616 Stirling Highway in Mosman Park between 1985 and June 1994.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/557f281e68cdf76d572843291ea9cef7

 

[Annalise]

I have been searching the Internet for any information on SS. There is absolutely nothing except for going to OBH then on to Claremont with her sister dropping her off. There is nothing about her life before that except school and living in the country. I'm living in hope that the alleged sighting of SS in taxi to Windsor Hotel and then outside her apartment with dark haired man provides a clue. It's crazy - there's nothing 😩

 

[crabstick]

Nothing to do with Catholics or the schools attended by the his alleged victims. The CSK was an opportunistic hunter who was active when not in a stable relationship. No different to Milat. IMO the girls were tricked into getting into his car.

There is mention a few threads back by police stating that CSK the serial killer was not opportunistic and victims targeted.

 

[Annalise]

Even Dr ****** doesn't mention SS. No mention of her being different to other girls in that she wasn't "thrown away" like the others. There was something special there. Why was SS buried so as not to be found. I still feel he kept her or possessions of hers very close so he could always be reminded of her. MOO

 

[Annalise]

There has to be something in this :

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ntidqi1g...+Sarah+too.pdf

The Post 25th Oct 2002

I saw Sarah too: witness backs taxi driver
The Post
Bret
Christian
2005.10.02
A Jolimont
man has backed up the story of taxi driver Steven Ross who says he took Sarah Spiers to South Perth on
the morning before she disappeared.
David Boudville (53), of Lansdowne Street, said he had seen Ms Spiers with a man outside a flat in Mill Point Road
early in the morning she disappeared, in January 1996.
Mr Boudville owned an investment unit on the ground floor at 160 Mill Point Road, South Perth.
"I was standing around in the foyer pondering whether it was too early to knock on the door to talk abou
t rent," he
said.
"Sarah Spiers and a man came in, pressed the button for the lift and they both went upstairs.
"I'm certain it was her. I'm pretty good with faces because I do a lot of photography.
"As soon as I saw her photo in the paper I contacted t
he police and said that I'd seen her."
Taxi driver Steven Ross said he contacted police eight years ago to say he had dropped Ms Spiers near the Windsor
Hotel in South Perth early on the day before she disappeared.
In late August this year, his home in E
mbleton, owned by former Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, was raided by
Macro officers (POST August 28).
Mr Weygers' home in Richardson Avenue, Claremont, was raided and searched three weeks later.
Mr Ross said he had contacted police in 1996 because Ms Sp
iers (18) had got into his taxi outside Club Bay View in
Claremont.
He had thought it was the night she disappeared, but later discovered it was the night before.
But he said he still believed the man who rode in his cab with her might know something
about the crime.
Mr Ross said the man appeared to be hanging around outside Club Bay View waiting for a woman to catch a cab
alone.
When Ms Spiers got into the cab, the man got in beside her. It was clear they did not know each other.
Then a young woman
who had been drinking got in the front and asked to go to Dalkeith. The man had originally
said he wanted to go to a nightclub in the city.
Mr Ross said he dropped the woman in Dalkeith then headed for Mounts Bay Road.
Sarah and the man were chatting, a
nd by the time they reached the University of WA the man had decided to go
to South Perth, where Ms Spiers was heading.
When the cab reached the Windsor Hotel, in Mill Point Road, the cab stopped. The man pushed Sarah out of the
cab, paid the fare and got
out with her.



Mr Boudville said the flats were 200m to 300m from the Windsor.
"Sarah seemed pretty relaxed," he said.
"She had her hair up and was dressed in a blouse and dress shorts.
"The man was tall, well dressed, skinny with sharp features, black
hair, with small curls at the back.
"I didn't get a good look at his face.
"As soon as I saw her picture it hit me that it was the same girl.
"I reported it straight away to the police, but nothing happened.
"I wondered why I would see her in South
Perth if she disappeared from Claremont. It was not until much later
that I found out she lived in South Perth.
"I didn't think she looked dressed for a nightclub, but she might have got changed and gone to breakfast when I
saw them coming back.
"I let i
t ride all those years until I read in the POST last week about the taxi driver."

 

[crabstick]

So potentially, in this case, Sarah may have had been a silent relationship, or silent rendevous.
Someone allegedly witnessed her with a man heading up elevator.

 

[Spinnaker]

I found an old 1998 UBD Perth street directory, which shows Gay street Huntingdale with the ,dead, end being mentioned in the post. Fountain Way is also on there.

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Both Gay Street & Fountain Way are close to Huntingdale Primary School.

Voodoodoll76 also mentions the following (link below to post and also info re LJB disappearance)

"I can also say that Lisa Brown who disappeared from Perth City in 1998 also attended Huntingdale ps- she was in my younger sisters year."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Australia-9-*ARREST&p=13036121#post13036121

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/brown-lisa

 

[Innerchild]

I imagine family BBQ s would've been interesting if she only knew.

Especially if ....

Oh dear

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Hypothetically taking this one step further. What happens if the ex-police psyc's brother in law is questioned as con bayen's boot lined guy in 2002? Course he has nothing to do with the CSK. Bayen's wrong. Clear him as we've got our man"" said someone. Is there someone who knows someone pulling some strings or just poor policing with nothing to do with an ex employee?

A psychologist has got to be able to recognize a killer, surely? Especially being privileged to his location when women were being abducted and murdered?

 

[Xyz]

There has to be something in this :

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ntidqi1g...+Sarah+too.pdf

The Post 25th Oct 2002

I saw Sarah too: witness backs taxi driver
The Post
Bret
Christian
2005.10.02
A Jolimont
man has backed up the story of taxi driver Steven Ross who says he took Sarah Spiers to South Perth on
the morning before she disappeared.
David Boudville (53), of Lansdowne Street, said he had seen Ms Spiers with a man outside a flat in Mill Point Road
early in the morning she disappeared, in January 1996.
Mr Boudville owned an investment unit on the ground floor at 160 Mill Point Road, South Perth.
"I was standing around in the foyer pondering whether it was too early to knock on the door to talk abou
t rent," he
said.
"Sarah Spiers and a man came in, pressed the button for the lift and they both went upstairs.
"I'm certain it was her. I'm pretty good with faces because I do a lot of photography.
"As soon as I saw her photo in the paper I contacted t
he police and said that I'd seen her."
Taxi driver Steven Ross said he contacted police eight years ago to say he had dropped Ms Spiers near the Windsor
Hotel in South Perth early on the day before she disappeared.
In late August this year, his home in E
mbleton, owned by former Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, was raided by
Macro officers (POST August 28).
Mr Weygers' home in Richardson Avenue, Claremont, was raided and searched three weeks later.
Mr Ross said he had contacted police in 1996 because Ms Sp
iers (18) had got into his taxi outside Club Bay View in
Claremont.
He had thought it was the night she disappeared, but later discovered it was the night before.
But he said he still believed the man who rode in his cab with her might know something
about the crime.
Mr Ross said the man appeared to be hanging around outside Club Bay View waiting for a woman to catch a cab
alone.
When Ms Spiers got into the cab, the man got in beside her. It was clear they did not know each other.
Then a young woman
who had been drinking got in the front and asked to go to Dalkeith. The man had originally
said he wanted to go to a nightclub in the city.
Mr Ross said he dropped the woman in Dalkeith then headed for Mounts Bay Road.
Sarah and the man were chatting, a
nd by the time they reached the University of WA the man had decided to go
to South Perth, where Ms Spiers was heading.
When the cab reached the Windsor Hotel, in Mill Point Road, the cab stopped. The man pushed Sarah out of the
cab, paid the fare and got
out with her.



Mr Boudville said the flats were 200m to 300m from the Windsor.
"Sarah seemed pretty relaxed," he said.
"She had her hair up and was dressed in a blouse and dress shorts.
"The man was tall, well dressed, skinny with sharp features, black
hair, with small curls at the back.
"I didn't get a good look at his face.
"As soon as I saw her picture it hit me that it was the same girl.
"I reported it straight away to the police, but nothing happened.
"I wondered why I would see her in South
Perth if she disappeared from Claremont. It was not until much later
that I found out she lived in South Perth.
"I didn't think she looked dressed for a nightclub, but she might have got changed and gone to breakfast when I
saw them coming back.
"I let i
t ride all those years until I read in the POST last week about the taxi driver."

I'm confused - Did SS live at 160 Mill Point Road with her sister? Or was she going to the unidentified man's unit? - this info would reveal a lot - if that's where she lived with her sister (& this would make it more likely that it was actually SS that the man saw with the unidentified man) -she took a man home that she never told her sister about;
or if it's not where SS lived, the unidentified man likely lived at 160 Mill Point Road...

JMO and thoughts...

 

[Innerchild]

Both Gay Street & Fountain Way are close to Huntingdale Primary School.

Voodoodoll76 also mentions the following (link below to post and also info re LJB disappearance)

"I can also say that Lisa Brown who disappeared from Perth City in 1998 also attended Huntingdale ps- she was in my younger sisters year."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Australia-9-*ARREST&p=13036121#post13036121

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/brown-lisa

[FONT=&amp]After [/FONT]Paul Ferguson was removed as head of Macro task-force in 1997 David Caporn was appointed...

A prostitution task force headed by Con Bayen's ran in the Highate area of Perth and was set up after Lisa Brown's murder and other sexual assaults on prostitutes including one other missing woman. It ran from July 2000 until August 2002, not long after Bayen's caught and reported his bootlined guy.

[FONT=&amp]Bayens said he picked up a man in Highgate, an area notorious for prostitution, with all the hallmarks of a killer, but he was ignored by those in charge.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]He stopped a man he believed to be loitering in an unmarked police car.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]"The boot was lined in blue plastic. There was wire ties, a pair of pliers, some masking tape," Bayens said.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]"We had one girl murdered, we had another one missing. He could have been the killer."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...hy-we-didnt-catch-the-claremont-killer/#page1
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...a-police-about-claremont-investigation/#page1


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[Innerchild]

I'm confused - Did SS live at 160 Mill Point Road with her sister? Or was she going to the unidentified man's unit? - this info would reveal a lot - if that's where she lived with her sister (& this would make it more likely that it was actually SS that the man saw with the unidentified man) -she took a man home that she never told her sister about;
or if it's not where SS lived, the unidentified man likely lived at 160 Mill Point Road...

JMO and thoughts...

I think this is where SS lived with her sister. It seems both had friends they stayed with and SS had ordered a taxi to in her last call, in Mosman Park.