Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

[crabstick]

Yes, like you, I believe Bunnie implied the taxi was called to go to South Perth.
Bunnie has also confirmed there was only ever ONE call received from Spiers, despite what Steven Ross said, it was on the night she went missing and she made it from Stirling St just after 2am.
So why does the CI episode, The Australian Missing Persons Register and Crimestoppers all say the cab was called to Mosman Park NOT South Perth?

I thought there was two nights Spiers rang cabs, not two calls.
One was alledged, cab driver Ross took Spiers to Windsor hotel, not far from her parents house in Mill Point road?
According Ross, the bloke who shared the cab, pushed Spiers out.
Windsor hotel is also on Mill Point road in South Perth, just off the freeway for non locals.

I thought there was a flat in Mosman park she was headed? Too much info out there.
It needs quailifying

 

[crabstick]

" Ross told police he picked her up in his taxi the night before she disappeared. Spiers had shared the cab with a second woman and another man. The woman was dropped in a nearby suburb before Ross drove Spiers to the Windsor Hotel in South Perth. Even though the man had wanted to go to the city, he got out with Spiers and paid the fare. Ross theorised that the man had gone back to Claremont the next night, found her and killed her."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/24/1095961862193.html

Sarah Spiers, 18, was the first to disappear and, unlike the others, her body has never been found. She was last seen at 2.06am on January 27, 1996 when she ordered a taxi near a Claremont nightclub.
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"At around midnight, Sarah and some of her friends were collected from the OBH by Sarah's sister Amanda as per prior arrangement.

Amanda drove Sarah and her friends to Claremont, where they attended Club Bay View nightclub.

At 1:30 am Sarah told her friends she was leaving and said she was going to catch a taxi. As she was leaving she stopped and spoke to a couple of security guards that were present at the club, one of them Sarah knew quite well and they chatted for several minutes.

Sarah left the club and what we know to happen next is that at 2:06 am Sarah telephoned Swan Taxis from a phone box on Stirling Road near the intersection of Stirling Highway. Sarah requested a taxi collect her from that location and take her to Mosman Park. "
http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com

 

[crabstick]

 

[no name]

RSBM (re: SS calling a cab the previous night) ... And, there was no computer record of a taxi being called by Sarah Spiers that night. Even if her job was canceled, the record stays in the system with a cancelled message and an added notation indicating who cancelled the job.

RSBM (re: SR claims of receiving SS job the previous night)... The whole rang through, cancelled, received new job thing is simply not true. There was no evidence of her calling at all. He said in that letter he got a job with her name SARAH SPIERS on the job. Not true. Not in the computer records. Cancelled jobs stayed in the system as cancelled. They could not be deleted.

RSBM (re: SS call on night she went missing) ... I did search the job. I did find the job. I know exactly what was recorded on the computer system, the car dispatched, the time stamp, call duration etc. I know the telephonist who took the call. I know the baseroom supervisors and board members who listened to the audio.
I guess proof of what I say about SR is out there. Swans had no records to back his story. HE has no records to back his story.
Fact: Due to the computer dispatch technology in place at that time there is NO WAY SR was dispatched the job in the manner he said. Swan Taxis knew this. The police knew this. That is why he has not been taken seriously and his claims were not able to be substantiated. The only people who gave credence to his claims were the media as they love a good circus.

Originally Posted by JoWa #1336
So to clarify.
1. SR never had SS in his taxi on either night, as there was no record of any taxis going to known SS addresses, except the one she didn't get to take.
2. Only driver and dispatch knew she had called for taxi (no two way announcement).
So the computer screen only shows details for that taxi, not for other taxis?
Thank you for clearing that up. It takes one scenario off the table.

Reply POSTED by Bunnie #1375 Thread 13
correct. The taxi screen only shows the driver the job they are allocated. The job was not called over a two way radio.

POSTED by BUNNIE #1321 Thread 13
As for SR, that is why his claims were dismissed, and why suspicion fell on him quite quickly. His claims were very embellished, and factually wrong.

BUT... and this is my ONLY query relating to the phone call or SR or anything else at this stage -
WHY would Bunnie claim the destination SS requested to go was SOUTH PERTH when Police, Missing Persons, CI etc have claimed, and are still claiming (as per Crimestoppers etc) she requested to go to MOSMAN PARK?
Only one of them is right... Which one is it?

 

[Mo Joe]

What year did BRE start working for Telstra? Couldn't Telstra workers 'hook' into phone calls once upon a time?

 

[PCS]

Even Dr ****** doesn't mention SS. No mention of her being different to other girls in that she wasn't "thrown away" like the others. There was something special there. Why was SS buried so as not to be found. I still feel he kept her or possessions of hers very close so he could always be reminded of her. MOO

I agree. I have one or 2 spots to go & have a look at for the so called 'shoebox'

 

[mzsage]

Hey everyone been reading for awhile loving all the info and theories first time posting though so I apologise if it's been said but regarding the post on BE's 2nd ex wife pic on her wall of them both, if he was so 'techie' with computers and stuff, why didn't he have top privacy settings on fb so he had to approve photo tags, wall posts etc instead of freaking out that she tagged him? I'm in no way computer savy but am a self taught pro at FB just a thought

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

" Ross told police he picked her up in his taxi the night before she disappeared. Spiers had shared the cab with a second woman and another man. The woman was dropped in a nearby suburb before Ross drove Spiers to the Windsor Hotel in South Perth. Even though the man had wanted to go to the city, he got out with Spiers and paid the fare. Ross theorised that the man had gone back to Claremont the next night, found her and killed her."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/24/1095961862193.html

Sarah Spiers, 18, was the first to disappear and, unlike the others, her body has never been found. She was last seen at 2.06am on January 27, 1996 when she ordered a taxi near a Claremont nightclub.
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"At around midnight, Sarah and some of her friends were collected from the OBH by Sarah's sister Amanda as per prior arrangement.

Amanda drove Sarah and her friends to Claremont, where they attended Club Bay View nightclub.

At 1:30 am Sarah told her friends she was leaving and said she was going to catch a taxi. As she was leaving she stopped and spoke to a couple of security guards that were present at the club, one of them Sarah knew quite well and they chatted for several minutes.

Sarah left the club and what we know to happen next is that at 2:06 am Sarah telephoned Swan Taxis from a phone box on Stirling Road near the intersection of Stirling Highway. Sarah requested a taxi collect her from that location and take her to Mosman Park. "
http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com

1:30am SS told her friends she was leaving.
2:06am SS called for a taxi.

Question: why did it take SS 30 mins to walk from CBV to Stirling Road?
Allowing time to exit club and chat with security bouncer.
It's probably only a 3-4 min walk

What was she doing all that time?
Did she walk straight there?

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[Xyz]

At 1:30 am Sarah told her friends she was leaving and said she was going to catch a taxi. As she was leaving she stopped and spoke to a couple of security guards that were present at the club, one of them Sarah knew quite well and they chatted for several minutes.

Sarah left the club and what we know to happen next is that at 2:06 am Sarah telephoned Swan Taxis from a phone box on Stirling Road near the intersection of Stirling Highway. Sarah requested a taxi collect her from that location and take her to Mosman Park. "
http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com

(Snipped by me)

Assuming the times are correct - even allowing for Sarah chatting for 'several minutes' to the security guard - if she did indeed leave at 1.30am does 36minutes seem quite a long time to get to the phone box?...
as a woman, walking alone, with a mission to call a taxi and get home, that seems too long to me to cover the distance to the phone box

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Bunnie was talking about Spiers call to Swan Taxis asking to go to South Perth, which I assume she means that it would put the Taxi closer to the Hotels and Motels along Great Eastern Highway, or even the City should anyone want a taxi to the airport.

Back in the 1990's when taxis were hard to get, I know people who would call a taxi, state a destination suburb, but once the taxi actually arrived, they magically changed their mind and wanted to go to a different destination. The first destination was a ruse to coerce the taxi driver to pick them up, as they would state a favourable destination like Northbridge, casino, or Fremantle, so taxi driver would think he could easily pickup another fair. It was a con of course.




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[Annalise]

Hey everyone been reading for awhile loving all the info and theories first time posting though so I apologise if it's been said but regarding the post on BE's 2nd ex wife pic on her wall of them both, if he was so 'techie' with computers and stuff, why didn't he have top privacy settings on fb so he had to approve photo tags, wall posts etc instead of freaking out that she tagged him? I'm in no way computer savy but am a self taught pro at FB just a thought

Hi mzsage - I agree - if the accused was so computer savvy he would have erased everything he ever did online except what he wanted left there. Anything found by cops or public was left for a reason. Either to send messages or poke fun at everyone. I hope the computers taken by cops will show what he got up to online. MOO

 

[Annalise]

Assuming the times are correct - even allowing for Sarah chatting for 'several minutes' to the security guard - if she did indeed leave at 1.30am does 36minutes seem quite a long time to get to the phone box?...
as a woman, walking alone, with a mission to call a taxi and get home, that seems too long to me to cover the distance to the phone box

Hi Xyz - perhaps she made a couple of phone calls. One to someone she talked to for a while who came and picked her up. The other for the taxi. This might explain what she was doing for half an hour. Also (like JR) why did she walk away from her friends. She wanted to be on her own perhaps? MOO

 

[Fast Eddie]

What year did BRE start working for Telstra? Couldn't Telstra workers 'hook' into phone calls once upon a time?

To what end? There is only 1 alleged victim of the CSK that went anywhere near a phone. One would hardly go unnoticed uncapping a pillar box and hooking into a nearby public phone in the hope that a lone female would be calling a cab, then packing up the required gear,recapping the pillar, jumping back into the Telstra vehicle and managing to coerce/force the alleged victim into the vehicle in the 8 minutes it took for the cab to arrive and hoping no one would notice. IMO all three women entered vehicles willingly under the false impression that the occupant was a person of authority that they could trust.

 

[Hilo]

 

[Mo Joe]

To what end? There is only 1 alleged victim of the CSK that went anywhere near a phone. One would hardly go unnoticed uncapping a pillar box and hooking into a nearby public phone in the hope that a lone female would be calling a cab, then packing up the required gear,recapping the pillar, jumping back into the Telstra vehicle and managing to coerce/force the alleged victim into the vehicle in the 8 minutes it took for the cab to arrive and hoping no one would notice. IMO all three women entered vehicles willingly under the false impression that the occupant was a person of authority that they could trust.

What about at the exchanges? You'd imagine employees would have keys? Where was the nearest exchange?

 

[no name]

Back in the 1990's when taxis were hard to get, I know people who would call a taxi, state a destination suburb, but once the taxi actually arrived, they magically changed their mind and wanted to go to a different destination. The first destination was a ruse to coerce the taxi driver to pick them up, as they would state a favourable destination like Northbridge, casino, or Fremantle, so taxi driver would think he could easily pickup another fair. It was a con of course

So, you think Police have stated she called a taxi to Mosman Park based on heresay. What else could you mean? She only called one cab and she wasnt there when it arrived, the change in destination wasnt a reality when she got into the car. Its a discrepancy of fact. So far we have trusted what Bunnie has said to be true, which is true in the destination she asked to go?
Fast eddie - 3 mins is the time the cab took according to Bunnie

 

[Hilo]

Hi Xyz - perhaps she made a couple of phone calls. One to someone she talked to for a while who came and picked her up. The other for the taxi. This might explain what she was doing for half an hour. Also (like JR) why did she walk away from her friends. She wanted to be on her own perhaps? MOO

Interesting Annalise...
Was it possible to trace calls made from the phone box? Did LE attempt to do that at the time?

 

[crabstick]

Originally Posted by JoWa #1336
So to clarify.
1. SR never had SS in his taxi on either night, as there was no record of any taxis going to known SS addresses, except the one she didn't get to take.
2. Only driver and dispatch knew she had called for taxi (no two way announcement).
So the computer screen only shows details for that taxi, not for other taxis?
Thank you for clearing that up. It takes one scenario off the table.

Reply POSTED by Bunnie #1375 Thread 13
correct. The taxi screen only shows the driver the job they are allocated. The job was not called over a two way radio.

POSTED by BUNNIE #1321 Thread 13
As for SR, that is why his claims were dismissed, and why suspicion fell on him quite quickly. His claims were very embellished, and factually wrong.

BUT... and this is my ONLY query relating to the phone call or SR or anything else at this stage -
WHY would Bunnie claim the destination SS requested to go was SOUTH PERTH when Police, Missing Persons, CI etc have claimed, and are still claiming (as per Crimestoppers etc) she requested to go to MOSMAN PARK?
Only one of them is right... Which one is it?

The night before it is claimed that Ross picked up Spiers and took Spiers to the Windsor hotel.

The night Spiers disappeared, it is claimed a cab was called and cab arrived minutes later. Spiers had moved down the corner Stirling and Stirling had gone.

Police are claiming this happened.

The only way the call wasnt recorded is if dhe dialled number in a tampered phone that went to non taxi exchange tampered phone or Spiers called elsewhere.

Police stated she called a cab to Mosman Park. Someone has their wires crossed.

 

[crabstick]

Meanwhile the French restaurant is 400 metres from Iona next door carpark Mason body found.

The child of second wife could be genetically his. Note, stayed living with him post CG departure.

If so, would be indicitive of extra marital affair while crimes were occuring.

Allegedly, sister inlaw of potential extra marital girlfriend, is police psychologist.

Restaurant on Stirling highway and Glyde st. Where LW dropped off undercover cop.

 

[crabstick]

Police have hard on for Steve Ross.

Gerard Ross bashed to death without any sign of sexual assault.

Body found in pine forest not far from Madora Bay.

The name meaning of Gerard is Spear. How could someone target people unless maybe they used telephony records and technology to find them.