Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

[b4u]

I was street viewing Stevens St, Claremont. Looking into the park. Normal average looking Park.

Then I got to Vaucluse Rd ....

Backing out of the carpark there were two people on deckchairs collecting money and I could make out a sign which looked like it says "Show Parking $20" ....

I wonder if the accused was a speedway fan?. If so, he'd certainly be familiar with this car park

Vaucluse was/is an St (not a Rd).

The Stevens St carpark was/is next to the Rowe Park children’s playground.

With Stevens St being a through road, and Reserve St being a no through road at the tennis court car park end, IMO the tennis court car park is a more likely crime spot.











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[PCS]

I don't think BRE was in a team. So who was at Claremont? Doing the other attacks? Fake taxis?

Replying to Spooks; Bound to be others in Claremont up to no good.

 

[PCS]

IMO when we are trying to locate the resting place of SS, we need to consider this crime in its isolation from later crimes, ie: irrespective of JR and CG. Imagining that SS is the accused's 1st possible murder victim, the accused probably wasn't planning 2nd and 3rd (alleged) murders without committing the 1st murder successfully (in his mind) and successfully evading police capture.

So IMO we need to consider all the "good spots to leave a body", with respect to whatever MO and signature the accused CSK had in mind. We need to metaphorically 'step into the shoes' of the alleged CSK and try and think like we imagine a SK may think.

A tricky task. Thinking like a SK when you're not actually a SK.

Yes without BRE spilling the beans it is the only way you will find SS. You & your 'Pals' on here need to do less typing & more out there in the stix walking. IMO.

 

[PCS]

Stuffed if I know. Has been going on for a decade in a lot of blogs. It does make you wonder. Anyway back to it. Either ppl get out there looking for SS. Or you may as well stay silent and wait for the court case.

 

[Canning Vale]

RSBM

IC - Actually I've been waiting to see if the penny dropped when you typed "Presentation Convent" or whether you had some master theory that you were going to reveal.
Obviously not.
Since you haven't clued on yet I'll fill you in:
FYI you actually named and posted a pic of a "Presentation Convent".
FYI a convent is the name of a building where nuns live.

Funnily enough - the same congregation of nuns known as the "Presentation" sisters also own "Iona Presentation College" in Mosman Park, the school where two victims went.

I'm guessing the accused CSK was not in this particular building shown in your pics, unless he happened to be fixing their phones or joining in on evening prayers!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_Sisters
https://www.iona.wa.edu.au/


Looking forward to when the Conspiracy Theorists get hold of this little bit of info that the Presentation Sisters owned property adjacent to Rowe Park, abduction site of KK victim, while the Presentation Sisters also own Iona College (Iona Presentation College) the high school of two alleged murder victims.

BTW I am NOT implicating the Presentation Sisters in any of the crimes - only highlighting strange coincidences that may or may not impact the case.

Spooks,
Great sleuthing, well done!

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Stuffed if I know. Has been going on for a decade in a lot of blogs. It does make you wonder. Anyway back to it. Either ppl get out there looking for SS. Or you may as well stay silent and wait for the court case.

PCS - what are you suggesting we will find at this late stage in the investigation?

At the rates of decomposition for bodies in Australian climate, then unfortunately any victims remains would most likely be sadly non-existent to the naked eye and untrained 'nose'. And probably only traceable by cadaver dogs or specialised equipment. IMO there's even less chance of discovery if bodies were laid to rest in a shallow grave or watery bed.

BTW Just going from memory about the decomposition rates, so I'll need find my bookmarked webpages on this topic a bit later.

Also, how many of us can tell the difference between kangaroo bones and human bones?

IMO there's not much use traipsing around bush sites unless we're planning to stumble upon other possible items from the alleged crimes, such as, weapons, knives, shoes, jewellery, or handbags.

FYI I've already visited the two known d-sites, Karrakatta Cemetery, Government Rd, and walked through Claremont retracing the steps of the 3(+1) alleged Claremont victims. I've also done the quick drive-by of Huntingdale and Kewdale locations of interest. These actions make sense to me. But chasing piles of dust in unknown bush graves doesn't. Sorry.

Although I'd really like to help find SS and any intermediary locations used by the accused, the reality is my forensic and sleuthing skills are limited to what I can learn online.

But hey PCS, please keep us updated on what you find when you're out there searching for SS and looking around. I enjoy reading your posts and I think you've got much to contribute.

Lastly, I commend you PCS in your enthusiasm for both encouraging and continuing the on foot search for SS. Good work!
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[Canning Vale]

I noticed when looking at this walkway between Gugeri St and Rowe Park that there's still an old night cart track in Claremont. (2nd picture)
My Nanna had one of these behind her place once.
They're tracks between streets where the horse drawn night cart came to collect the poo from the outside toilets, before running water and flushing toilets came along.
I thought most of these tracks had been sold off to the property owners either side in the 1950's as they only encouraged crime, but not this one apparently.

Petedavo,

After having a good look around the Gugeri St vicinity, there appears to only be two laneways, the ones you provided photos of. The laneway between Gugeri St and the rear of Stirling Hwy has probably been kept open because the commercial units have been granted access (ie 273 Stirling Hwy).

1. At approximately 60 Gugeri St, a laneway exists which extends south to Stirling Hwy, it abuts some commercial units/shops (273 Stirling Hwy).

2. Within the Gugeri St laneway another laneway exists which extends to Langsford St (Cnr of Rowe Park)

https://www.google.com.au

 

[Canning Vale]

I was street viewing Stevens St, Claremont. Looking into the park. Normal average looking Park.

Then I got to Vaucluse Rd and decided to look at the carpark, then the date of the pictures changed and I noticed something that'll interest everyone.

It was full of cars!

Backing out of the carpark there were two people on deckchairs collecting money and I could make out a sign which looked like it says "Show Parking $20" I tried viewing from the other direction, but the date of the pictures must've changed because it was gone and the cars were all gone.

Why is this interesting? Because it's only a short walk through the subway to Gate 1 of the showgrounds.
The same showgrounds used on Friday nights for the Speedway back in the time of the CSKs and KK abduction.

I wonder if the accused was a speedway fan?. If so, he'd certainly be familiar with this car park IMO.

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Petedavo,

As we've been asked to think like a SK, how would he have known if the ladies had driven a car to the hotel or not. Perhaps he hung around the car parks in hope he'd find a lone female going to her car, at the end of the evening - where it was secluded. CG had been out socializing on the Friday evening. As we know Friday night was Speedway night and parking spots were probably scarce.

The car park scenario makes me think of JC who was last seen approaching her car. Also, the other lady (aged 45) who was abducted from the hotel and taken to a bridge in Wilson - another lady taken whilst approaching her car. The car parks might have been his blitz site.

These are only my thoughts and opinion.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Hey PD in my experience many older Perth suburbs still have the back laneways left over from the olden days before flushing water toilets. The existence of those laneways near Rowe Park are therefore not unusual at all IMO.


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[Canning Vale]

I noticed when looking at this walkway between Gugeri St and Rowe Park that there's still an old night cart track in Claremont. (2nd picture)
My Nanna had one of these behind her place once.
They're tracks between streets where the horse drawn night cart came to collect the poo from the outside toilets, before running water and flushing toilets came along.
I thought most of these tracks had been sold off to the property owners either side in the 1950's as they only encouraged crime, but not this one apparently.

Petedavo,

Below are another two laneways within close proximity of Stirling Hwy.

1. Walt Drabble Lane (Gugeri St to Stirling Hwy) appears to connect to Old Theatre Lane
https://www.google.com.au/maps/Walt Drabble Lane, Claremont
https://www.google.com.au/maps/Old Theatre Lane Claremont

2. Church Lane (St Quentins Ave to Stirling Hwy)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Church Lane, Claremont

I’m not exactly sure where CG was last seen on Stirling Hwy, but as she was walking west towards Mosman Park, those two lanes are on the opposite side of Stirling Hwy.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Petedavo,

Below are another two laneways within close proximity of Stirling Hwy.

1. Walt Drabble Lane (Gugeri St to Stirling Hwy) appears to connect to Old Theatre Lane
https://www.google.com.au/maps/Walt Drabble Lane, Claremont
https://www.google.com.au/maps/Old Theatre Lane Claremont

2. Church Lane (St Quentins Ave to Stirling Hwy)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Church Lane, Claremont

I’m not exactly sure where CG was last seen on Stirling Hwy, but as she was walking west towards Mosman Park, those two lanes are on the opposite side of Stirling Hwy.

Church Lane is one of THE busiest spots in late night Claremont. It's directly adjacent to both Hungry Jacks and Club Bay View (CBV). There's always pedestrians, loiterers, patrons coming and going from CBV, and cars lining up for HJ's.

Back in 1996-1997 I think the upper balcony of CBV was still open, and patrons standing on the CBV balcony had clear view of Church Lane if they were looking. And a clear view of St Quentins Ave if they stood on the balcony on that side.

CBV had balconies on 3 of the 4 sides of the building, but in 96-96 if I recall correctly, only the Church Lane and St Quentins Ave sides were accessible by patrons. The balcony and stair entry on the Stirling Highway side were typically only used for staff entry and sometimes VIP/members entry. Access points into CBV changed over the years as each manager had their own ideas how to manage the club.

I realise there was an attack in Church Lane, and IMO this attack was even more brazen because this area of Claremont was and still is quite busy even late at night.

Years later, I can't recall when, but eventually the CBV balcony was closed in to prevent empty glassware and bottles being thrown at cars parked below. And to stop sneaky attempts to bypass the line at the front door by standing on the roof of combi vans and climbing over the balcony wall.


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[Canning Vale]

Yes without BRE spilling the beans it is the only way you will find SS. You & your 'Pals' on here need to do less typing & more out there in the stix walking. IMO.

PCS,

You're right about BRE - from a reliable source, he's been very quiet. If we were to get out and have a look around where would you suggest we start? Perhaps one Sunday afternoon, we could gather as a group somewhere, take some photos and have a poke around the bush. I'll bring the grandkids and a pic-nic basket.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

PCS,

You're right about BRE - from a reliable source, he's been very quiet. If we were to get out and have a look around where would you suggest we start? Perhaps one Sunday afternoon, we could gather as a group somewhere, take some photos and have a poke around the bush. I'll bring the grandkids and a pic-nic basket.

I'll bring my camera and a sandwich!


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[Hilo]

PCS,

You're right about BRE - from a reliable source, he's been very quiet. If we were to get out and have a look around where would you suggest we start? Perhaps one Sunday afternoon, we could gather as a group somewhere, take some photos and have a poke around the bush. I'll bring the grandkids and a pic-nic basket.

I've recently watched a doco. on a cold case where a victim's skull was found 17 years after the murder. Victim was identified through dental records. Mind you, police had a clue as to where to look and it was not in wetlands...
Just to clarify... skull was in open bushland and may be the reason why most of the skull and teeth were intact. If it was in a wetland area, may not have had the same result.

I've edited my previous confusing post.
Note to self- don't walk and type on phone...

Just my opinion

 

[Hilo]

I'll bring my camera and a sandwich!


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Anyone have a metal detector??


Just my opinion

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Anyone have a metal detector??


Just my opinion

No I don't, but I know you can hire metal detectors


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[Spooks-R-Us]

I've recently watched a doco. on a cold case and the victim's skull was found 17 years later. Victim was identified through dental records. Mind you, police had a clue as to where to look and it was not in wetlands...
Just to clarify... skull was in open bushland and perhaps prevented rapid degradation of bone?


Just my opinion

Yes it happens. So there's still a slim chance of finding remains of any other possible CSK victim/s.

It will be interesting when we find out the age of the human bones recently found under/near the museum renovations.


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[Spooks-R-Us]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...d/news-story/3e4d43d94a70eef7ef52d3e54cd17616

Woman's body found in the boot of a car.

I wonder if the boot of the car was lined with plastic?



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[meticulously]

Hi to all ,
During the last year , with help from a few knowledgeable sleuths and all of the msn reports i theorized as to how the rowe park abduction happened .

I wont post all of the details to support the theory here now because im unsure if its relevant to what was being theorized on here (ws)
recently .
Will post them if people want to see ?

This is just a preview because im unsure if this is or isnt related to all the recent talk about laneways, street,alleys ,parks,stations etc around claremont. I will guage the response to know if the rest of the pictures would be appreciated.

Key :
The circle is the abduction zone .
The cross on the left is the subway .
The cross on the right is the basket / half courts .

Red arrow is the victims likely path taken from cbd area .
Cross is subway on left .

There's about 5 more pictures , can share to provide more information to where the perpetrator likely parked his car and the path taken behind the courts to the vehicle on reserve rd
.

 

[Hilo]

Hi to all ,
During the last year , with help from a few knowledgeable sleuths and all of the msn reports i theorized as to how the rowe park abduction happened .

I wont post all of the details to support the theory here now because im unsure if its relevant to what was being theorized on here (ws)
recently .
Will post them if people want to see ?

This is just a preview because im unsure if this is or isnt related to all the recent talk about laneways, street,alleys ,parks,stations etc around claremont. I will guage the response to know if the rest of the pictures would be appreciated.

Key :
The circle is the abduction zone .
The cross on the left is the subway .
The cross on the right is the basket / half courts .

Red arrow is the victims likely path taken from cbd area .
Cross is subway on left .

There's about 5 more pictures , can share to provide more information to where the perpetrator likely parked his car and the path taken behind the courts to the vehicle on reserve rd
.

I'm very interested in seeing more!


Just my opinion