Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[Kambo]

I feel someone used their slide rule on a map of certain scale to draw a line from Jane on a longitudinal through the pub out to Ciara on a longitudinal.

They prempted positioning either all prior or in stages, then carried out the crime.

I think its psychotic behavior of someone of unsound mind.

https://goo.gl/images/euoukV

One of the reasons I have always though she was specifically placed there is the fact that when you draw the line, everything north of Wembley is in the ocean until around Alkimos where the coast curves back around. To make the line work he actually had to drive that 40ish km from Claremont to line it up. To me that indicates some pre planning. JMO


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[MRichards]

It is possible that CG was walked down the embankment as prosecution allege that CG was murdered out at Pipidinny - effectively taken to Pipidinny alive.

As mentioned previously, I have also been advised from a very reliable source that a scream was also heard from someone at the property where she was found, around the time she went missing.

Walk a half lucid human being 50 metres through that bush at 2am in the morning in the pitch of night.

Its feasible but its a darn sight lot more effort than Janes body which was road side, Id say in a hurry.

Comparing the two, Id say it was more work than he needed to carry out.

Have a go at 2am down the bush. Get a feel for.

Dropped pin
near Eglinton WA 6034

https://goo.gl/maps/DVcZV7Vd7Wq

 

[Spinnaker]

Walk a half lucid human being 50 metres through that bush at 2am in the morning in the pitch of night.

Its feasible but its a darn sight lot more effort than Janes body which was road side, Id say in a hurry.

Comparing the two, Id say it was more work than he needed to carry out.

Have a go at 2am down the bush. Get a feel for.

Dropped pin
near Eglinton WA 6034

https://goo.gl/maps/DVcZV7Vd7Wq

No thanks


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[MRichards]

No thanks


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Com on. Ill pick you up. Itll be fun TIC

I went up there once. It was pitch black.

Perimeter, no like pitch black. Scary black.

I dont think you could see 10 feet in front of you.

 

[janwa]

78.5km
However both bodies are on longitudal lines which would be indicitive of a particular map scale.
Could Sarah be habitually on a longitudal line?
Ciara was exactly 50 metres from the verge of Pippidinny road.

I challenge anyone, although neither roads had street lighting at the time; I challenge anyone to park the top the road then cart 55kg on your shoulder down the embankment at 2am in the morning 50 metres.
I feel the exact 50 metres may have had purpose. The bush was much thicker than it is today and probably street lit. Do the tour at 2am in the morning.

So were there 2 or more involved

 

[Jackman]

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I think the CSK sat at a table, with a hard copy road map and worked out the d-sites with a mathematical tool or a simple ruler. Back in 1996/97 we used a road atlas, we didn’t have the electronic maps– except for spatial maps but I doubt he did anything at work. The route travelled might have been a secondary factor for the CSK.

Perhaps the CSK might be obsessive compulsive. We know the two victims were placed within a straight line (180o) which passes through Bay View Tce.

Therefore the central point of 78.5kms is 39.25kms (2 ÷ 78.5 = 39.25). Osborne Park is approx. 39.5kms from Eglinton. The distance of 39.25 from Osborne Park is somewhere within Mt Helena, Chidlow & Mundaring.

Later today I’ll sit down with a road map and ruler – then feedback what I’ve found.

Stoneville is the area I've arrived at, but I'd need the exact D-sites to be correct. Is anyone able to produce something more accurate, so it's a proper triangle. Correct so that each angle is exactly the same degree.

 

[Spinnaker]

No apologies needed, thanks for the 78.5kms. Mathematics is not my strong point 84.6kms was a ball-park figure – the distance from suburb to suburb (Eglinton to Wellard) – I don’t know the specific d-site locations.

I think the CSK sat at a table, with a hard copy road map and worked out the d-sites with a mathematical tool or a simple ruler. Back in 1996/97 we used a road atlas, we didn’t have the electronic maps– except for spatial maps but I doubt he did anything at work. The route travelled might have been a secondary factor for the CSK.

Perhaps the CSK might be obsessive compulsive. We know the two victims were placed within a straight line (180o) which passes through Bay View Tce.

Therefore the central point of 78.5kms is 39.25kms (2 ÷ 78.5 = 39.25). Osborne Park is approx. 39.5kms from Eglinton. The distance of 39.25 from Osborne Park is somewhere within Mt Helena, Chidlow & Mundaring.

Later today I’ll sit down with a road map and ruler – then feedback what I’ve found.
In the meantime, please let me know what you all think about the central location being Osborne Park.

Distance from:
Osborne Parkto Chidlow 43.69kms
Osborne Parkto Mt Helena 37.47kms
Osborne Parkto Mundaring 37.05kms
Osborne Parkto Mundaring 33.86kms
Osborne Parkto Stoneville 33.76kms
Osborne Parkto Mundaring 30.45kms

I think if you were OCD you would not be able to cope with (2 ÷ 78.5 = 39.25), you would make it (2 ÷ 80 = 40).

 

[Jackman]

So were there 2 or more involved

Perhaps dragged by a blanket or something like it.

 

[Jackman]

I think if you were OCD you would not be able to cope with (2 ÷ 78.5 = 39.25), you would make it (2 ÷ 80 = 40).

The calculations would need to be exact. Perhaps he has a thing about 3s.

 

[MRichards]

So were there 2 or more involved

I don't know

 

[MRichards]

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I was going to say tonight but I have to clean the rear seat cover

 

[Jackman]

It is possible that CG was walked down the embankment as prosecution allege that CG was murdered out at Pipidinny - effectively taken to Pipidinny alive.

As mentioned previously, I have also been advised from a very reliable source that a scream was also heard from someone at the property where she was found, around the time she went missing.

Could you please supply a reference source for the scream - I don't recall reading that in MSM. Thanks in advance.

 

[petedavo.au]

Stoneville is the area I've arrived at, but I'd need the exact D-sites to be correct. Is anyone able to produce something more accurate, so it's a proper triangle. Correct so that each angle is exactly the same degree.

Stoneville has been searched since 1996
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...ills-fire-ng-e37b5a74c50d34c52779b1a9a8ac5071

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[Spinnaker]

Could you please supply a reference source for the scream - I don't recall reading that in MSM. Thanks in advance.

Attached article mentions that the prosecution believe that JR and CG were murdered at the site where they were found - therefore at one point they were alive in their final locations:

"Charges for the murder of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon allege that the two young western suburbs women were murdered at Wellard and Eglinton. This is the first time it has been suggested they had been killed where there bodies were found."

This has been posted a number of times already on WS - also a few days ago.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...1#post13275341
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Western-Australia-21&p=14087632#post14087632

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[Jackman]

Stoneville has been searched since 1996
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...ills-fire-ng-e37b5a74c50d34c52779b1a9a8ac5071

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Thanks PD,

My calculations would only need to be slightly incorrect to throw the area out by many kilometres. Hopefully, someone will grasp the general idea and come up with some better calculations, map the theory and upload the information.

Stoneville is north of the Mundaring State Forest, which is huge. From memory it was you who uploaded a link to a video showing how vast that entire area is.

https://www.google.com.au/maps

 

[petedavo.au]

I wonder how Jane would be murdered at the site. There was nearby houses.
If she screamed it may have drawn attention.

Looking forward to hearing more evidence from the trial, finally.

This table only has one unsolved case. The CSKs. (Being that the article predates the arrest)
If you read the article then cross off from the table using logical deduction of what is said about the types of murders, you're then left with the answer to how they were killed and why. IMO
I have no reason to doubt the knowledge of the writer.

https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi346#tab1

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[Spinnaker]

This table only has one unsolved case. The CSKs. (Being that the article predates the arrest)
If you read the article then cross off from the table using logical deduction of what is said about the types of murders, you're then left with the answer to how they were killed and why. IMO
I have no reason to doubt the knowledge of the writer.

https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi346#tab1

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Thanks PD, that is clear and reinforces really 'the word on the street' as to what may have occurred.

 

[Sillybilly]

A scream is not fact unless you can provide a link to MSM (or you are a Verified Insider).

The "I know something you don't know" type of post is considered baiting. Don't do it.

 

[Eaglette]

Genetic Genealogy matching easily explained - Familial DNA matching

This is a full fascinating interview with Golden State Killer (GSK) investigator Paul Holes - He explains how Law Enforcement had this GSK killers DNA since 2001 with no matches on Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) - FBI program.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/laboratory/biometric-analysis/codis/codis-and-ndis-fact-sheet

These investigators tried every year with no matches. Familial searches - they tried International searches as well with no hits. Once they started down the genealogy road on GED Match in January 2018 - they got a 3rd cousin match and then, it took them "4 months with 5 people + some outside consultation"...... and this lead to the GSK arrest 1 week ago.

In comparison:

44 years later the GSK was arrested.
20 years later in our CSK case - it has been suggested a DNA Familial match lead them to BRE. But, "how" they investigated has remained secret.

As WAPOL are not speaking - and the media has hushed - it also seems everyone on WS is terrified of Sub judice. Here in America they are happy to talk and explain to the public how the DNA match was obtained 1 week after his arrest!

GED Match - super sleuthing!

Paul Holes interview link - set aside 51 minutes to view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1gni1gGvk

 

[petedavo.au]

Genetic Genealogy matching easily explained - Familial DNA matching

This is a full fascinating interview with Golden State Killer (GSK) investigator Paul Holes - He explains how Law Enforcement had this GSK killers DNA since 2001 with no matches on Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) - FBI program.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/laboratory/biometric-analysis/codis/codis-and-ndis-fact-sheet

These investigators tried every year with no matches. Familial searches - they tried International searches as well with no hits. Once they started down the genealogy road on GED Match in January 2018 - they got a 3rd cousin match and then, it took them "4 months with 5 people + some outside consultation"...... and this lead to the GSK arrest 1 week ago.

In comparison:

44 years later the GSK was arrested.
20 years later in our CSK case - it has been suggested a DNA Familial match lead them to BRE. But, "how" they investigated has remained secret.

As WAPOL are not speaking - and the media has hushed - it also seems everyone on WS is terrified of Sub judice. Here in America they are happy to talk and explain to the public how the DNA match was obtained 1 week after his arrest!

GED Match - super sleuthing!

Paul Holes interview link - set aside 51 minutes to view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1gni1gGvk

https://www.wired.com/story/detectives-cracked-the-golden-state-killer-case-using-genetics/

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/familial-dna-evidence-turns-innocent-people-into-crime-suspects/

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