Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

[crabstick]

This means, the Commodore was brand new at the Karrakatta rape

A brand new Commodore with links to the business of screen printing in 1995. The abduction at the Cot was around 1991 in a station wagon.

Who said it was a van?

CLUES have emerged about the type of car possibly driven by the Claremont serial killer, who murdered three women in the 1990s, but West Australian police are refusing to comment.

THE Post suburban newspaper reported the killer abducted some victims in a white mid-1990s Holden Commodore VS Series 1 and had links to screen printing.
The newspaper previously reported detectives believed the killer also abducted a 17-year-old girl in 1995 and raped her at Karrakatta Cemetery.

It said there was a DNA link between that attack and traces found on the body of 27-year-old lawyer Ciara Glennon, who was murdered in March 1997.

The first victim was 18-year-old secretary Sarah Spiers, who disappeared in January 1996.

Childcare worker Jane Rimmer, 23, vanished a few months later.

Ms Rimmer's body was also found, but Ms Spiers was never seen again.

In a new report, The Post newspaper says the cemetery victim was tied up with washing line, which had material on it used in screen printing.

Also, fibres found on Ms Rimmer's body, which were lost but then rediscovered in 2011, matched the upholstery of a Holden Commodore VS.

The seat trim fabric was used only on the Series 1, launched in April 1995, and was changed for the Series 2.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.a...e/news-story/a3119435c266ca4318a133a1f927d319

 

[crabstick]

A psychology class?

That is a very interesting article, there arent too many on Julie Cutler..

The fact Lance Williams was in the class makes it awfully suspicious. It raises a large number of questions if Julie Cutler was a victim. That means 5 CSK victims that are known about. 1 survivor. So if he successfully killed Julie Cutler it seems he had no problems waiting 6 years for another attack, unless the OBH rape is linked he must have started again quite soon after. Its hard to say how thoroughly the Police investigated this

 

[Sutton]

...I only have the paper version of Devils Garden. Ive only partially read it once. Itll take a while to find the source for the investigation philanthropist. Nothing yet. From memory the figure was $100000

Denis Glennon's company, Environmental Solutions International, chipped in $ 50,000; law firm Blake Dawson Waldron, where Ciara worked, another $ 100,000.
(Ch 21, Location 1163)

Within a few weeks the initial fundraiser has secured $ 600,000
(Ch 21, Location 1180)

But nothing about Ciara Glennon's uncle being a property developer as your original post claimed. Are you trying to link Ciara's uncle to the property development problem the Spiers' were experiencing? You quoted that post as well.

This is the first time you've mentioned an investigative philanthropist. That is completely different than a property developer uncle. IMO.

 

[crabstick]

Because Sarah Spiers body hadnt been found? Im with you. I feel it is a random caller unless he had other information that made him feel otherwise.

Yes I know it came out a bit harsh. But he specifically gives vague details, eg. 5600ha of land, but fails to actually say where this location is. 5600ha is definitely to large for one man, and even a Police search party, you would need the public's help, and random scouts and people hiking are perfect for locating these things, over the years it would probably have attracted more people to the location to hike etc just in case they randomly found the body. I dont see how not revealing this location could be anything but detrimental to finding the body of his daughter.

The helplessness Don Spiers would have felt if he was actually speaking to the caller, he would have felt at the killers mercy desperate for information. I wonder if he promised to call back if Don Spiers didn't say anything or reveal the dump/burial location. But maybe never did. The call came in at 2am which means it was around the same time as the abduction. I am not sure of the night, but whether this was deliberate/symbolic is possible, maybe he also picked the same night of the week. If the caller mentioned something distinct about Sarah he may have convinced Don Spiers he was in fact the killer.
You would assume the Police would have investigated this call so thoroughly, must have felt like potentially a major breakthrough avenue to investigate. Hopefully they did try and track the call, or call location down and see if any cameras were around the area/phone booth etc. I wonder if the caller tried to disguise his voice similar to other serial killers/rapists that have called their victims/family eg. The Original Nightstalker.

If the killer did infact call Don Spiers, was this the only victims father the killer decided to call? if so then why? and what statement would he have tried to make? If Sarah was the second victim (After Julie Cutler) was their a reason to call the father? Maybe Sarah was the first murder victim and Julie was not related, being the first kill he felt obligated to continue the misery on the victims family and taunt the father? or was he feeling remorceful and wanted to help the father locate the body knowing it was never likely to be discovered, hence giving the father a subtle hint and pointing him in the rough direction. Then with the next two victims he decided to just dump them in an area around the city where it was more than likely they would be discovered within a year or two. Was it because Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennons dump locations were so close to the city he did not think it necessary to taunt the victims family (Father) knowing they would retrieve the bodies at some stage, or maybe after enough time the CSK knew Sarah Spiers Body would have no evidence obtainable from it and decided he would point Don Spiers in the right location to try and locate her?

It does raise some interesting questions as to why he would call this particular victims father, Don Spiers, and not call any other victim/s family?

 

[Peter Kurten]

Great find in regards to the Cutler article. There is an inaccuracy in the article. Jane Rimmer attended Hollywood Senior High not Iona. She graduated in 1990.

 

[Sutton]

Anyone know where I can re-read this for free, I sold my copy years ago at a Garage Sale, I didn't think I would want to read it again, just wanted to confirm some details.

Probably only a library. I bought mine through Kindle. I know it's not the same, but I will check any facts you can think of specifically (I can send you screen shots). PM me if you want.

 

[crabstick]

The law firm belonged to Ciaras uncle? Ill have a look.
Admittedly Denis was potentially involved whether land would be approved for development under EPA reports?.
A philanthropist who donated to the secure community fund which was the law firm Id say. Donation to the investigation.

Denis Glennon's company, Environmental Solutions International, chipped in $ 50,000; law firm Blake Dawson Waldron, where Ciara worked, another $ 100,000.
(Ch 21, Location 1163)

Within a few weeks the initial fundraiser has secured $ 600,000
(Ch 21, Location 1180)

But nothing about Ciara Glennon's uncle being a property developer as your original post claimed. Are you trying to link Ciara's uncle to the property development problem the Spiers' were experiencing? You quoted that post as well.

This is the first time you've mentioned an investigative philanthropist. That is completely different than a property developer uncle. IMO.

 

[Sutton]

This means, the Commodore was brand new at the Karrakatta rape...

RSBM. The Karrakatta rape occurred on 12 February 1995.

The Commodore in question was not available until April 1995.

 

[crabstick]

$11

https://books.google.com.au/books?i..._esc=y#v=onepage&q=The devil's garden&f=false

Anyone know where I can re-read this for free, I sold my copy years ago at a Garage Sale, I didn't think I would want to read it again, just wanted to confirm some details.

 

[Ellen11]

Another missing person in WA - this one from Fremantle who was last seen on Rotto.

https://heraldonlinejournal.com/2016/04/08/matt-bale-is-missing-2/

Wasn't the 21 March the Equinox?

Robyn Santen goes missing on the 8 August - the Imbolic, right?

Educated at UWA.

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/s/a/santen robyn - wa

 

[Sutton]

The law firm belonged to Ciaras uncle? Ill have a look.
Admittedly Denis was potentially involved whether land would be approved for development under EPA reports?.
A philanthropist who donated to the secure community fund which was the law firm Id say. Donation to the investigation.

You said Ciara's uncle was a property developer who donated to the fundraiser. You combined that statement with a fact about the Spiers' property development problem. Please provide the link or page number that supports the 'property development uncle claim'.

Also, please provide support that Ciara was at the Freshwater Yacht Club the previous day.

 

[crabstick]

RSBM. The Karrakatta rape occurred on 12 February 1995.

The Commodore in question was not available until April 1995.

So he had a relatively new commodore in 1996, around 12 months old. Pending the Commodore was purchased early in the release date. The car may have only been 6 months old.

Which had materials linked to screen printing. Company car maybe, but that would mean he took it home. That would mean he would have some form of cleaning to do.

Someone with a vehicle over the weekend associated with screen printing. It appears clothes line used with screen printing.

So if it was a van, it may have been a van used for the screen printing. And the chemicals found on the rope were, GBL?

 

[crabstick]

Let me find the source for you. It will take time. Im pretty sure I read, "successful property developer" It may be two different people, but many lawyers are in the business of property investment. The last time the funds donated by the SCF were tallied they came to A$850,000 (£390,000) Another $700000 there to find

Ms Glennon's uncle, Mr Gerry Murphy, from Waterford

Check the Devils garden about organising her sisters wedding. I haven't a digital copy. Im not going through paper. But it appears I will just have to purchase the digital copy for ease of searching.

You said Ciara's uncle was a property developer who donated to the fundraiser. You combined that statement with a fact about the Spiers' property development problem. Please provide the link or page number that supports the 'property development uncle claim'.

Also, please provide support that Ciara was at the Freshwater Yacht Club the previous day.

 

[Bartholemeus]

And the chemicals found on the rope were, GBL?

What's with your GBL claims? Previously you were passing it off as fact that the girls had GBL in their system, now you're speculating if GBL was present on the rope. One minute you're posting pictures of the exact bone discovery site in Carrabin, the next minute it's an approximation. I've noticed a heap of other inaccuracies both last time you were posting and this time.

Any chance you can clearly differentiate between your theories and was is actual fact?

 

[crabstick]

GBL was found at the crime scene. I didnt even know about GBL until I read about it in Devils garden.
sourceevil Garden

I speculated, that the girls had been drugged with GBL which made them feel drunk and disorientated. Even survivors of a situation, such as the previous mentioned article on the girl abducted from the Cottesloe, taken to Swanbourne would not have known she had been drugged with GBL. It has similar symptoms of alcohol, called the 'coma' drug for good reason.
Any of the Claremont victims that had been theoretically drugged with GBL, would have felt drunk, and coincidentally searched a means of getting home on their own.
They may have felt very inebriated, thought, oh dear Im going down hill, I need to get out of here.

Im not in the investigation. I can only go on what information that has been made public. GBL is used in the printing business

Just one teaspoon of the party drug GBL can be fatal but a legal loophole means it can be bought on the internet by the litre.

Nicknamed Coma in a Bottle, it is illegal to take as a stimulant but can be imported from Europe for its intended use as an industrial cleaner.

A close relative of the banned GBH drug, GBL is also used by date rapists to spike drinks because it is odourless and colourless and can be out of a victim’s system within 12 hours.

Because it is so potent in such small amounts, there is a huge risk of women having life-threatening reactions when they are targeted.

Also known by the street names G and Liquid Ecstasy, the substance’s full name is gamma-butyrolactone.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coma-in-a-bottle-drug-gbl-is-legally-819298

What's with your GBL claims? Previously you were passing it off as fact that the girls had GBL in their system, now you're speculating if GBL was present on the rope. One minute you're posting pictures of the exact bone discovery site in Carrabin, the next minute it's an approximation. I've noticed a heap of other inaccuracies both last time you were posting and this time.

Any chance you can clearly differentiate between your theories and was is actual fact?

 

[crabstick]

If you could provide the source of where I passed off the GBL spiking as fact, that would be great thanks.

What's with your GBL claims? Previously you were passing it off as fact that the girls had GBL in their system, now you're speculating if GBL was present on the rope. One minute you're posting pictures of the exact bone discovery site in Carrabin, the next minute it's an approximation. I've noticed a heap of other inaccuracies both last time you were posting and this time.

Any chance you can clearly differentiate between your theories and was is actual fact?

 

[Sutton]

GBL was found at the crime scene. I didnt even know about GBL until I read about it in Devils garden.
sourceevil Garden
...
Im not in the investigation. I can only go on what information that has been made public...

RSBM. GBL is not discussed in The Devil's Garden. Please provide a link or page number supporting your statement.

 

[Sutton]

If you could provide the source of where I passed off the GBL spiking as fact, that would be great thanks.

I believe mods deleted your GBL posts because they were false. But maybe some of them slipped by. Who knows?

 

[crabstick]

The question mark is a good start

What's with your GBL claims? Previously you were passing it off as fact that the girls had GBL in their system, now you're speculating if GBL was present on the rope. One minute you're posting pictures of the exact bone discovery site in Carrabin, the next minute it's an approximation. I've noticed a heap of other inaccuracies both last time you were posting and this time.

Any chance you can clearly differentiate between your theories and was is actual fact?

Here is a cracker Bart. I say I didnt read about Noel Coward in the book.
You say it is, then post a pic of page 88 which has no reference to someone named Noel Coward.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...er-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page36

 

[Bartholemeus]

GBL was found at the crime scene.

Source please.