Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

[Bartholemeus]

Its like someone has been on a giant fluffathon of sarcastic irrelevant posts, over and over

Talking about yourself is the first sign of madness.

 

[88mph]

I think it's quite a solid profile and remember, it is just a profile. Also take in mind, the claim that police think it's a blitz attack has not been confirmed by police (to my knowledge). This is more likely because once the media got a whiff of the Karra link they extrapolated that the main victims were blitz attacked. If you look at the evidence it's more likely that the girls got into a car.

Some of it is straight out of DM's book. I can't help but notice some of the assumptions mirror what has been suggested here. Could WS be one of her sources?

Snipped.

I like this extrapolation theory Bart. The extrapolation theory ties into ML, a POI who has the ability to have multiple MO's including blitz, taxis and the ability to charm JR.

Based on the evidence and ML as the POI;

Karrakatta: Blitz
SS: taxi
JR: picked up/charmed
CG: taxi

Current location: prison

 

[Bartholemeus]

Surely the police checked him out?

Estelle Blackburn said Macro came around and were focused on the jewellery and appeared to have their blinkers on.

But surely Stanbury's mob went back and had a look at him if it wasn't done already?


I think if SS was taxi then both JR and CG would also be taxi. Maybe he only gained access to a taxi after Karra? Maybe he couldn't use a taxi in Karra because he always intended letting her go. But once he decided he'd murder his victims he considered using a taxi to abduct them? That fits.

 

[88mph]

Surely the police checked him out?

Estelle Blackburn said Macro came around and were focused on the jewellery and appeared to have their blinkers on.

But surely Stanbury's mob went back and had a look at him if it wasn't done already?


I think if SS was taxi then both JR and CG would also be taxi. Maybe he only gained access to a taxi after Karra? Maybe he couldn't use a taxi in Karra because he always intended letting her go. But once he decided he'd murder his victims he considered using a taxi to abduct them? That fits.

The reason I don't like the taxi for JR is the Commodore fibres, 99% of taxis were Falcons. Also, the fact she was fully naked - something tells me there may have been a consensual element to the encounter.

People keep suggesting that MACRO have their guy, they just can't pin him - which makes sense to me, otherwise there would be no justification to keep the case open.

Maybe ML is their guy and they're just waiting for the final pieces of evidence from an independent witness such as saying MM is ML, or that ML had access to a Commodore through XYZ.....might explain why the cops are drip feeding info - trying to get that witness to come forward.

 

[Bartholemeus]

The reason I don't like the taxi for JR is the Commodore fibres, 99% of taxis were Falcons. Also, the fact she was fully naked - something tells me there may have been a consensual element to the encounter.

How confident are you about the fibres though?

1. They got lost. Feasible considering they had 10s of 1000s of pieces of information. They got found in 2004 as part of a review. At this stage the amount of new information could be counter on one hand. How could they possibly misplace it again? Surely they would have gone and immediately worked with those samples? It's not as if it would have been down the priority list and by the time they got to it they couldn't find it.

2. What are the chances they could find trace evidence after 54 days in such an environment. My research suggested it would be unlikely (but I'm far from an expert).


If consensual we can rule out LW. Anyone know what ML looks like? Surely too old for JR?

I'm not thinking consensual because I think the CSK got off on power.

People keep suggesting that MACRO have their guy, they just can't pin him - which makes sense to me, otherwise there would be no justification to keep the case open.

I think either way they have to keep this open.

Maybe ML is their guy and they're just waiting for the final pieces of evidence from an independent witness such as saying MM is ML, or that ML had access to a Commodore through XYZ.....might explain why the cops are drip feeding info - trying to get that witness to come forward.

Yep, along with LW, PW, SR, MAP, the sexual pervert, plastic lined boot man and maybe some others

I think there's more than a reasonable chance that they're looking closely at someone and all the stuff coming out in the media is a ploy to try and get their subject to make a mistake.

 

[crabstick]

Mountains of hair and although the video is poor, not much of a jaw line? Pale skin and not much of a neck, no shoulders. Hair over ears. A well hidden frame behind a flared business shirt. Could our man be a woman?

Look at the shoulders on the man behind them with white shirt on.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Mountains of hair and although the video is poor, not much of a jaw line? Pale skin and not much of a neck, no shoulders. Hair over ears. A well hidden frame behind a flared business shirt. Could our man be a woman?

Look at the shoulders on the man behind them with white shirt on.

Everything about the footage says MM is a male, most noticeably how they interact with each other.

 

[elleAU]

A victim being found nude does not indicate that there was a consensual sex act prior to their murder. Many, many killers have removed and/or destroyed their victims' clothing.

I would also be interested to see a photo of ML; I have conducted basic searches to no avail.

Other feasible reasons driver never came forward (presuming innocence): no longer in Australia, death, unrelated criminal offence, unfaithful married man, fear of police, social anxiety...

 

[JackHigh]

I think if SS was taxi then both JR and CG would also be taxi. Maybe he only gained access to a taxi after Karra? Maybe he couldn't use a taxi in Karra because he always intended letting her go. But once he decided he'd murder his victims he considered using a taxi to abduct them? That fits.

More importantly, who had access to a 'van' and a 'taxi'

 

[papertrail]

A victim being found nude does not indicate that there was a consensual sex act prior to their murder. Many, many killers have removed and/or destroyed their victims' clothing.

I would also be interested to see a photo of ML; I have conducted basic searches to no avail.

Other feasible reasons driver never came forward (presuming innocence): no longer in Australia, death, unrelated criminal offence, unfaithful married man, fear of police, social anxiety...

watch the ABC vids I linked everyone to last week - his pic is on there
BTW ML is the only one that I have heard of that had a boot lined with plastic. DM at the time of the attempted murder he was convicted of, was driving a station wagon - they do not have boots to line with plastic - yes they do have storage capacity but it could not be described as a boot.


the woman who described ML's boot being lined with plastic is on the same vid I refer to above and last week. seek and you will find.

 

[papertrail]

More importantly, who had access to a 'van' and a 'taxi'

perhaps a motor mechanic such as ML

 

[elleAU]

watch the ABC vids I linked everyone to last week - his pic is on there.

Thanks. I didn't watch the vids as couldn't get them to work (issue on my end with player), so I just read the transcripts from the eps.

 

[Bartholemeus]

watch the ABC vids I linked everyone to last week - his (ML) pic is on there.

seek and you will find.

7:30 in "Before You Leap" and his face is pixelated. I can't imagine if his face is pixelated in one part that it isn't in other parts.

Are you able to pin point exactly where the pic is? Have I got the correct video?

 

[88mph]

I'm going to email Estelle Blackburn a list of questions about ML.

Please list your questions and I'll fire them off.

Obviously I will be seeking some kind of permission to post here or share privately.

1. Does MM look like ML?
2. What cars did he own?
3. Did he have connections to dump sites?

Etc

 

[Bartholemeus]

4. Was he available when the Karrakatta abduction happened?
5. Do you think he was the guy that Con Bayens stumbled across in Highgate?

 

[crabstick]

Clothing destroyed for DNA reasons? No sex what so ever?

If intercourse had been had, there would have been sperm and other DNA residue in the genital area?

A victim being found nude does not indicate that there was a consensual sex act prior to their murder. Many, many killers have removed and/or destroyed their victims' clothing.

I would also be interested to see a photo of ML; I have conducted basic searches to no avail.

Other feasible reasons driver never came forward (presuming innocence): no longer in Australia, death, unrelated criminal offence, unfaithful married man, fear of police, social anxiety...

 

[CSK?]

Well I will state here and now beyond reasonable doubt MM and ML are not the same, ML was a violent domestic abuser, MM looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. those two are def not one and the same, this I assure you.

If you look at ML in the vid posted by papertrail his body size is almost twice that of MM in the cctv video.

 

[Parkie]

Well it is nice to be out after another stint in the cooler once again. CSK ; I don`t think ML was able to convince the girls to get into his car. They were not his age group from what is said. So you say MM cannot get angry? Ok, cool. But what about the CSK At Church Lane. If Angry is shown then this is it.
I mean it was no nonsence brick work stuff at best. You imagine it. She struggles, He lets her know this is not funny at all (for him) in no uncertain terms. The gold skirt get rips off for a souvenir & she gets a nasty frontal head bump or 2 to show. If not a flattened nose.. For sure.

 

[Parkie]

The CSK is a seriously nasty piece of work & it may be found elsewhere. There are theories from the Plod. SS was south, not found so he left JR there too. Site got hot even though SS not found, so he heads north for the 3rd. Or... He goes West, East, then South , then North. Now JC. not majorly linked except ex boyfriends or by Caporn, lmao. But that hints at West, East (1st in `96) South & North. Who knows tbh.

 

[Parkie]

Um, Crabstick; Maybe clothing taken because of fear of later DNA link? Hmm?