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Just curious as to the sudden flood of Sarah McMahon/Donald Morey posts.... Are you trying to suggest DM may be the CSK? or is there other reasons I am missing?
 
It would appear, he may be connected to our DNA guy. He has the skill sets, borrows cars, bags full of strangulation device, sells large sums of amphetamine, and serving prison for murder.

If he was SAS, then he would be trained in all the attributes needed in abduction and murder. One of his skills is mechanic, and he worked for an east west trucking company.

But whose DNA do the police have? An associate? Because we will presume a conviction means he has been DNA tested. Unless he is arrested on his way out of prison?

Just wondering who Christian might have been Morey was stating McMahon was going to the casino with? Our recent body in the suitcase lady from Mosman park went the casino, with possible money laundering activity, Maybe McMahon was going to casino laundering with someone, It does appear a manifested alias of Morey. Maybe it was a pseudonym for something else?

According to a key witness, McMahon was buying $10000 sums of amphetamine off Morey. McMahon was working only 700 metres from the Claremont abduction area. Where was she doing business? In 2000 and prior for that matter in Claremont?

If McMahon was in Claremont, Morey must of been in Claremont. It does state it in the inquest he was in Nedlands next door. We have an alleged highly trained serial killer in the area with the skills to build fake taxi, drive it through sand, and abduct, at the time.
http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Mcmahon_finding.pdf [22]
 
MyLeftFoot said:
Mo Joe..I can't find the link at all now! Guess that leaves me with egg on face!
GR was found with a ligature around his neck. Presumably that was the cause of death.
The rest you'll just have to treat as speculation.
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I thought I'd read in a UK paper that he had been stabbed. I can't find that link either.
 
GR

The CSK is clearly heterosexual. GR's killer is a pedophile. I wouldn't think there's too much crossover. The only thing similar about these murders is the dumping location and the era. GR was picked up in Rockingham. It's not that much of a surprise he was dumped where he was - on the outskirts of Rockingham.

DM

DM was convicted of attempted murder of a street prostitute. He is prime suspect for SM and also a suspect for the murder of another prostitute Darylyn Ugle. He's also possibly a suspect of the murder of another Perth prossie - Lisa Brown. DM's definitely SK material. If he's not one already he would have likely kept going and surpassed the typical consensus of 3 spread out kills to be defined as an SK.

The CSK has some sort of link to Claremont. DM doesn't. DM's world consists of low lifes - drug addicts and prostitutes.

Lorrin Whitehead

The only link between murdered Lorrin Whitehead and the CSK victims is she went to the same school as two of the victims.

There's a poster on here who is very sure there's a link but has been unable to offer up any form of theory other than rebuffing everyone elses. I think it's a long shot but maybe this poster has some information they would like to share?
 
Yesterday I read that GR was (apparently) not sexually assaulted. How do you know that he was killed by a Ped? Link please.
 
Mo Joe said:
Yesterday I read that GR was (apparently) not sexually assaulted. How do you know that he was killed by a Ped? Link please.
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It's unlikely GR was killed by someone who wasn't a pedophile. Even more unlikely he was killed by someone most likely sexually attracted to young adult women.

Have you a link to show he wasn't sexually assaulted?
 
Bartholemeus said:
GR

The CSK is clearly heterosexual. GR's killer is a pedophile. I wouldn't think there's too much crossover. The only thing similar about these murders is the dumping location and the era. GR was picked up in Rockingham. It's not that much of a surprise he was dumped where he was - on the outskirts of Rockingham.

DM

DM was convicted of attempted murder of a street prostitute. He is prime suspect for SM and also a suspect for the murder of another prostitute Darylyn Ugle. He's also possibly a suspect of the murder of another Perth prossie - Lisa Brown. DM's definitely SK material. If he's not one already he would have likely kept going and surpassed the typical consensus of 3 spread out kills to be defined as an SK.

The CSK has some sort of link to Claremont. DM doesn't. DM's world consists of low lifes - drug addicts and prostitutes.

Lorrin Whitehead

The only link between murdered Lorrin Whitehead and the CSK victims is she went to the same school as two of the victims.

There's a poster on here who is very sure there's a link but has been unable to offer up any form of theory other than rebuffing everyone elses. I think it's a long shot but maybe this poster has some information they would like to share?
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Most Sex Abusers are Heterosexual ( Aug 6, 2012 in Feature, news)

But, aren't child abusers gay?


Are most sex offenders heterosexual?

Yes. Most sex offenders consider themselves heterosexual [1]. Jerry Sandusky and Jared Fogel are two famous examples of married, heterosexual sex offenders who fathered children.

Most sex offenders are male. Researchers agree that sexual abuse by women is under-reported and under-documented, but even with this factored in, men are more likely to sexually abuse a child then women are. [4]

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America.That means no racial group, educational level or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. [3]

People who sexually abuse children often start before the age of 18 [2] and often don’t stop until they are too unhealthy for sexual activity. Fewer than 5% have psychotic mental illness, meaning a mental illness so severe they have lost contact with reality and may be eligible for insanity defense.

Most people who sexually abuse children also experience heterosexual attraction to adults. Someone who has sexual relationships with adult women may sexually abuse boys, and someone who sexually abuses children of one sex is likely to abuse children of the other sex. [5]

Sex offenders are often very likeable people who are good at getting adults and children to trust them. Sometimes they do it by pursuing careers where they help children (ie teacher or youth sports), and sometimes they do it simply by being “nice” and reaching out to children and their parents, especially children or parents who truly need some extra help.

If we can’t figure out who is a sex offender and who isn’t, how can we protect children? The only effective way is for parents to assume everyone their children come in contact with is a potential sex offender. All parents should take a class about child sexual abuse and its prevention. All parents should insist that everyone who provides services to their child (schools, after-school centers, medical providers, etc.) understand and uphold child sexual abuse prevention best practices. Parents must do everything in their power to keep their children from being in one-child, one adult situations. They must learn to communicate about sexual anatomy, sexuality and sexual abuse with children from an early age. Understanding that the world is full of people who want to sexually abuse children is terrifying, and learning that these people seem completely normal and cannot be picked out of a crowd is even scarier. But accepting the truth means we can protect children, and that’s always worth doing.

1-Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001) Xlibris books

2- Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001) Xlibris books

3-The Able and Harlow Child Molestation Preventions Study

4- Predators: Pedophiles, Rapists and Other Sex Offenders- Who They Are, How They Operate, and How We Can Protect Ourselves and Our Children. Salter, Anna Basic Books. New York (2003).

5–Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001)
 
MyLeftFoot said:
Most Sex Abusers are Heterosexual ( Aug 6, 2012 in Feature, news)

But, aren't child abusers gay?


Are most sex offenders heterosexual?

Yes. Most sex offenders consider themselves heterosexual [1]. Jerry Sandusky and Jared Fogel are two famous examples of married, heterosexual sex offenders who fathered children.

Most sex offenders are male. Researchers agree that sexual abuse by women is under-reported and under-documented, but even with this factored in, men are more likely to sexually abuse a child then women are. [4]

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America.That means no racial group, educational level or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. [3]

People who sexually abuse children often start before the age of 18 [2] and often don’t stop until they are too unhealthy for sexual activity. Fewer than 5% have psychotic mental illness, meaning a mental illness so severe they have lost contact with reality and may be eligible for insanity defense.

Most people who sexually abuse children also experience heterosexual attraction to adults. Someone who has sexual relationships with adult women may sexually abuse boys, and someone who sexually abuses children of one sex is likely to abuse children of the other sex. [5]

Sex offenders are often very likeable people who are good at getting adults and children to trust them. Sometimes they do it by pursuing careers where they help children (ie teacher or youth sports), and sometimes they do it simply by being “nice” and reaching out to children and their parents, especially children or parents who truly need some extra help.

If we can’t figure out who is a sex offender and who isn’t, how can we protect children? The only effective way is for parents to assume everyone their children come in contact with is a potential sex offender. All parents should take a class about child sexual abuse and its prevention. All parents should insist that everyone who provides services to their child (schools, after-school centers, medical providers, etc.) understand and uphold child sexual abuse prevention best practices. Parents must do everything in their power to keep their children from being in one-child, one adult situations. They must learn to communicate about sexual anatomy, sexuality and sexual abuse with children from an early age. Understanding that the world is full of people who want to sexually abuse children is terrifying, and learning that these people seem completely normal and cannot be picked out of a crowd is even scarier. But accepting the truth means we can protect children, and that’s always worth doing.

1-Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001) Xlibris books

2- Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001) Xlibris books

3-The Able and Harlow Child Molestation Preventions Study

4- Predators: Pedophiles, Rapists and Other Sex Offenders- Who They Are, How They Operate, and How We Can Protect Ourselves and Our Children. Salter, Anna Basic Books. New York (2003).

5–Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001)
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Excellent post!
 
Bartholemeus said:
GR

The CSK is clearly heterosexual. GR's killer is a pedophile. I wouldn't think there's too much crossover. The only thing similar about these murders is the dumping location and the era. GR was picked up in Rockingham. It's not that much of a surprise he was dumped where he was - on the outskirts of Rockingham.
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As was JR.
Just 18kms from Stakehill Road, via Baldivis Road to Woolcoot Road. A nice quiet drive!

The CSK has some sort of link to Claremont.

Very Possible! Equally possible he also has links to other areas as well!

Worth some thought anyway!
 
There must be good reasons for both Don Spiers, and the parents of GR, to be happy with the Police investigation.
 
MyLeftFoot said:
Most Sex Abusers are Heterosexual ( Aug 6, 2012 in Feature, news)

But, aren't child abusers gay?


Are most sex offenders heterosexual?

Yes. Most sex offenders consider themselves heterosexual [1]. Jerry Sandusky and Jared Fogel are two famous examples of married, heterosexual sex offenders who fathered children.

Most sex offenders are male. Researchers agree that sexual abuse by women is under-reported and under-documented, but even with this factored in, men are more likely to sexually abuse a child then women are. [4]

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America.That means no racial group, educational level or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. [3]

People who sexually abuse children often start before the age of 18 [2] and often don’t stop until they are too unhealthy for sexual activity. Fewer than 5% have psychotic mental illness, meaning a mental illness so severe they have lost contact with reality and may be eligible for insanity defense.

Most people who sexually abuse children also experience heterosexual attraction to adults. Someone who has sexual relationships with adult women may sexually abuse boys, and someone who sexually abuses children of one sex is likely to abuse children of the other sex. [5]

Sex offenders are often very likeable people who are good at getting adults and children to trust them. Sometimes they do it by pursuing careers where they help children (ie teacher or youth sports), and sometimes they do it simply by being “nice” and reaching out to children and their parents, especially children or parents who truly need some extra help.

If we can’t figure out who is a sex offender and who isn’t, how can we protect children? The only effective way is for parents to assume everyone their children come in contact with is a potential sex offender. All parents should take a class about child sexual abuse and its prevention. All parents should insist that everyone who provides services to their child (schools, after-school centers, medical providers, etc.) understand and uphold child sexual abuse prevention best practices. Parents must do everything in their power to keep their children from being in one-child, one adult situations. They must learn to communicate about sexual anatomy, sexuality and sexual abuse with children from an early age. Understanding that the world is full of people who want to sexually abuse children is terrifying, and learning that these people seem completely normal and cannot be picked out of a crowd is even scarier. But accepting the truth means we can protect children, and that’s always worth doing.

1-Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001) Xlibris books

2- Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001) Xlibris books

3-The Able and Harlow Child Molestation Preventions Study

4- Predators: Pedophiles, Rapists and Other Sex Offenders- Who They Are, How They Operate, and How We Can Protect Ourselves and Our Children. Salter, Anna Basic Books. New York (2003).

5–Able GG, Harlow, N. The Stop Child Molestation Book, (2001)
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Unsure why you are posting this and quoting me? I'm quite aware most pedos are hetero.

Let me ask you this question: Do you think a pedo who would abduct and kill a young boy would also be killing young women? That would be very unlikely IMO.
 
Mo Joe said:
http://www.news.com.au/national/no-...r-of-gerard-ross/story-fncynjr2-1226730066395
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Ok, it says there is "no evidence" rather that "not sexually assaulted". His body was found 2 weeks later. I assume this is soon enough to determine either way. But that's assuming the journalist's information is correct.

So let's assume he probably wasn't raped.

Why was he murdered?

- We can probably assume it wasn't his family
- He wasn't local. He was on holiday. So it's unlikely someone he knew.


Why would a non-pedophile murder a young boy? Take in mind he's right in the age slot for pedos who like young boys. That pre-pubescent age of 11-12 is the most common demographic favoured by pedos.
 
Bartholemeus said:
Unsure why you are posting this and quoting me? I'm quite aware most pedos are hetero.

Let me ask you this question: Do you think a pedo who would abduct and kill a young boy would also be killing young women? That would be very unlikely IMO.
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There are many recorded cases of serial killers having victims of different ages and sexes.
 
Mo Joe said:
There are many recorded cases of serial killers having victims of different ages and sexes.
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Please post some.

I'm not saying they don't exist but it seems quite rare for a serial killer to have both adult females and pre-pubescent boys as their victims.
 
Bartholemeus said:
Ok, it says there is "no evidence" rather that "not sexually assaulted". His body was found 2 weeks later. I assume this is soon enough to determine either way. But that's assuming the journalist's information is correct.

So let's assume he probably wasn't raped.

Why was he murdered?

- We can probably assume it wasn't his family
- He wasn't local. He was on holiday. So it's unlikely someone he knew.


Why would a non-pedophile murder a young boy? Take in mind he's right in the age slot for pedos who like young boys. That pre-pubescent age of 11-12 is the most common demographic favoured by pedos.
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Also, how did he abduct him without anyone noticing? He may have pulled him into a vehicle? Similar to KK victim?
 
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