Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #6

[crabstick]

While Im not implying Wark is CSK, does Wark have relationship with Morey via criminal activity such as drugs, trucking etc?
Warks house was at the fork in Badgingarra.
Plenty trucks pass through.
So people are allowed to look at relationships by analysing connections then ruling out the victim.
Morey carried a map in his abduction bag. He had drug connections.
Was CSK an associate of Morey? Someone who was printing shirts or something?
Where there is smoke, there is fire.

 

[crabstick]

Even Colin Barnet refers the potential for a 'group' of people.

 

[Bartholemeus]

I dont think people are trying to link eg. Hahley Dodd.

Lots of people were prior to Wark being outed as the main POI. As were SM and Lisa Brown.

 

[Mo Joe]

Even Colin Barnet refers the potential for a 'group' of people.

KK was not a group. MM was not a group.

 

[CSK?]

My grandfather used to tell me "just because it's in the paper, it doesn't make it true" people here are reading articles and taking it as gods word truth. Unless the police have ever confirmed such "truths" they cannot be taken as fact, for example DNA, this was simply a news story never ever confirmed by the police. The same article also cleared PW because of this DNA, trust me, if publicly cleared PW would be the first in line to file some kind of lawsuit against the police and task force.

Secondly a big portion of eye witness accounts are completely false (even though the witness thinks it is true), so just because KK victim says she saw a PV doesn't mean there ever was one, sure there is a good chance there was but the mind likes to fill in blanks when under shock/stress/fear.

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[crabstick]

You are misunderstanding the point. The person tasked to lure doesn't necessarily mean they are acting alone. Nothing to say the victim isnt taken else where to a second or 3 players. MM is all you saw. He could have jumped in a taxi with her, and a 'driver'

Im taking the Premier knows something more than most of us, and he is not discounting that there is more than one player.

KK was not a group. MM was not a group.

 

[crabstick]

Hes on full pay not working apparently. Which kind of is compensation. Not that he needs to with 40 something houses.

My grandfather used to tell me "just because it's in the paper, it doesn't make it true" people here are reading articles and taking it as gods word truth. Unless the police have ever confirmed such "truths" they cannot be taken as fact, for example DNA, this was simply a news story never ever confirmed by the police. The same article also cleared PW because of this DNA, trust me, if publicly cleared PW would be the first in line to file some kind of lawsuit against the police and task force.

Secondly a big portion of eye witness accounts are completely false (even though the witness thinks it is true), so just because KK victim says she saw a PV doesn't mean there ever was one, sure there is a good chance there was but the mind likes to fill in blanks when under shock/stress/fear.

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from:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831/POST-Newspaper-for-14th-of-November-2015

 

[CSK?]

I wasn't talking a lawsuit for gaining compensation, PW was [FONT=&quot]president of the state&#8217;s Council for Civil Liberties, he would do it based on principal alone.[/FONT]

 

[CSK?]

ok maybe he is about the money, PW wants 10 million compensation.

https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/videos/1029251283753698/

 

[JBA512]

If the police have a prime suspect what piece of evidence (other than dna) would be enough to charge him?

Would one key piece be enough to proceed or is quantity of evidence better?

If they do currently have a prime suspect then they obviously don't have usable scene DNA unless for some reason the prime suspect hasn't had a sample taken

If all publicly known POI's have had DNA samples taken then that would rule them all out

 

[CSK?]

Jewelery including key rings or any other personal items of the girls, clothing, ID's e.t.c

Quantity will always be better but it only takes one good piece of evidence to secure a conviction.

The POI's having given DNA doesn't mean much as DNA may not have been found on any of the bodies to make a match, DNA would have been taken in the hope of finding DNA in the future through either technological advancements or the CSK being sloppy in future victims. There is a FORENSIC LINK linking the Karrakatta rape victim to Ciara Glennon which most on here have interpreted as being DNA, this link could be anything from the same foot print, to the same tape, rope or countless other forensic evidences left across both scenes.

Like Bart has stated on countless occasions, the post is the original source whom has ever stated DNA has been found, the police have never confirmed this so it is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[crabstick]

We had this discussion some time ago. Rape victim runs into hospital naked. Rape kit in hospital is carried out with forensic link to Ciara

 

[Peter Kurten]

For forensic evidence to be admissible in court, it needs to be collected by a specialist role. Private hospitals, such as Hollywood, do not have such capabilities.

 

[JBA512]

I'm sure it means nothing but including the karra rape the age of the girls increases after each attack. Any sort of pattern here of relevance?

My guess would be that the younger crowds got scared off a bit by the attacks and the average age of the girls in claremont increased

 

[JBA512]

Jewelery including key rings or any other personal items of the girls, clothing, ID's e.t.c

Quantity will always be better but it only takes one good piece of evidence to secure a conviction.

The POI's having given DNA doesn't mean much as DNA may not have been found on any of the bodies to make a match, DNA would have been taken in the hope of finding DNA in the future through either technological advancements or the CSK being sloppy in future victims. There is a FORENSIC LINK linking the Karrakatta rape victim to Ciara Glennon which most on here have interpreted as being DNA, this link could be anything from the same foot print, to the same tape, rope or countless other forensic evidences left across both scenes.

Like Bart has stated on countless occasions, the post is the original source whom has ever stated DNA has been found, the police have never confirmed this so it is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Cheers for that

I feel like the police must have something fairly solid but not enough to proceed without risking blowing it

I can't see how it would hurt if they did come out and confirm a few things. If anything they might notice a POI's behavior change and stress levels increase

 

[crabstick]

I think the police are happy just to catch him right now. Running naked through the hospital doors I dare say there would police attendance.

I believe DNA evidence was collected off at least one the POIs which is inadmissible in court too. If that is the case, obviously police have higher priorities than DNA

And if police are acquiring DNA off POIs before any of the Karraktta discovery. And if police are taking samples from everyone in the pub they identify. And if police DNA sample thousands but not all the taxis in Perth.

Police turning up to peoples front doors that were at the pub the nights the incidents occurred. "Can we have a DNA swab please."

Why all the trouble hey? All that trouble. maybe millions of dollars all for stuff all. Maybe not.

For forensic evidence to be admissible in court, it needs to be collected by a specialist role. Private hospitals, such as Hollywood, do not have such capabilities.

Its an interesting point. All within a 2 year period.

I'm sure it means nothing but including the karra rape the age of the girls increases after each attack. Any sort of pattern here of relevance?

My guess would be that the younger crowds got scared off a bit by the attacks and the average age of the girls in Claremont increased

Maybe coppers are just waiting for other POIs to get out of prison before locking down longest prison sentence?

Cheers for that

I feel like the police must have something fairly solid but not enough to proceed without risking blowing it

I can't see how it would hurt if they did come out and confirm a few things. If anything they might notice a POI's behavior change and stress levels increase

Plenty of people have head overseas, and probably not coming back either.

 

[CSK?]

If police do in fact have usable DNA (I doubt they do) then they would have to be the dumbest police force in the history of the world.

You have DNA > You test again POI's and publicly admitted suspects > You prove they are or ARE NOT the killer > If they ARE NOT you let the public know > Why? To curb the information flow, What's the point of still receiving tip offs and information about suspects when you know yourself they are innocent. Being overwhelmed with information because of their stupid methods at the beginning of the case is what contributed to the utter chaos and lack of the case being solved.

 

[silver tongue]

If police do in fact have usable DNA (I doubt they do) then they would have to be the dumbest police force in the history of the world.

You have DNA > You test again POI's and publicly admitted suspects > You prove they are or ARE NOT the killer > If they ARE NOT you let the public know > Why? To curb the information flow, What's the point of still receiving tip offs and information about suspects when you know yourself they are innocent. Being overwhelmed with information because of their stupid methods at the beginning of the case is what contributed to the utter chaos and lack of the case being solved.

maybe you should join up ?

 

[crabstick]

Police say they have their man, dont release release footage in hope they might strike again. In the end, they were like, not going to happen. So they release the footage in the hope of discovering mystery man.

None of it was stupid. There were masses of info coming in. The most expensive case in Australian history. Its a big case.

Maybe the police havent a reward up for a reason. Just buyin their time.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

If police do in fact have usable DNA (I doubt they do) then they would have to be the dumbest police force in the history of the world.

You have DNA > You test again POI's and publicly admitted suspects > You prove they are or ARE NOT the killer > If they ARE NOT you let the public know > Why? To curb the information flow, What's the point of still receiving tip offs and information about suspects when you know yourself they are innocent. Being overwhelmed with information because of their stupid methods at the beginning of the case is what contributed to the utter chaos and lack of the case being solved.

Maybe the answer to that lays within the absurd 'technicalities' likely to be focused on by a defence counsel. What is admissible evidence? What can be disregarded because of 'technicalities'?

Not only does LE have to collect evidence, that evidence is subject to-
How it was collected
How it was handled
How it was examined
How it was documented
....and the list goes on!

There are so many T's to be crossed and i's to be dotted.

I agree that massive mistakes were made but lets hope that lessons were learned and things are now done in a way that will hold up to the scrutiny of the courts!