Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #6

[elastic]

The only thing that is in question is that because the Karrakatta victim was bound and had a bag put over her head there is no way of knowing whether the White Panel Van seen in rowe park near the showgrounds subway was the car the CSK took his victim too and not another vehicle which was unseen at the time. I think the investigators would have easily been able to make a pretty confident determination if she was infact transported in a van or a panel van to clarify if the car she saw parked nearby was the abductors car or just some innocent persons car

 

[Mo Joe]

The Claremont murders were specific - a certain type of girl from a specific area. I'm struggling to see he would change area, abduct a pre-pubescent boy, * and use a different method to kill. Less that 1% chance IMO.

Do you have any evidence of "a different method to kill"?

 

[Mo Joe]

Were there any car parks between Gerard's holiday house and the shops?

 

[Mo Joe]

The only thing that is in question is that because the Karrakatta victim was bound and had a bag put over her head there is no way of knowing whether the White Panel Van seen in rowe park near the showgrounds subway was the car the CSK took his victim too and not another vehicle which was unseen at the time. I think the investigators would have easily been able to make a pretty confident determination if she was infact transported in a van or a panel van to clarify if the car she saw parked nearby was the abductors car or just some innocent persons car

She must have been able to describe the bag? Colour, material, smell..

 

[Mo Joe]

Gerard Ross strangled. Tyre tracks led up to the murder scene.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Missing+Gerrard+found+strangled.-a061060415

 

[Bartholemeus]

Just so you dont think I am lying about this here is the post article:
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/54883877/to-serial-killer/47



The karrakatta victim was able to identify the colour of the panel van, and she saw the panel van, its a panel van.

There's a larger number of articles that say the victim couldn't see anything but you've chosen one of the articles and then claimed "look here, this is fact!".


I'm not saying she didn't see a white pv, rather we can't rely on this as fact as there's conflicting information. You on the other hand are conveniently using it as "proof".

 

[Mo Joe]

Bartholemeus, who do you think killed the Claremont girls?

 

[crabstick]

In the middle of Claremont? Try to fit her in a car door? When she knows its a fight to the death?

I think the girls got in the car under the premise they were entering a taxi, or a lift home. And that is where someone popped up from back luggage compartment and strangled

There is evidence I found, Rimmer was dumped same night according police.

I've never had any form of armed services/self defense/martial arts training in my life but i'm pretty sure if I wanted too I could quite easily blitz attack and abduct most women/girls within a minute either by brute force or absolute compliance because of fear.

So police used DNA to establish motives and methods. Go back a thread or tow you'll see someone saying this is bulldust and I didn't know what I was talking about.

 

[crabstick]

Here's the bit someone carried on about that I didn't know about the watch that gave police clues, and evidence Rimmer was dumped same night. I am not saying however that Ciara was dumped same night. The one girl that may be in doubt an Iona student gets dumped same night.

Her watch was found, giving police clues about which they refused to talk. But there is evidence Ms Rimmer was killed and dumped within hours of her abduction.

26 January 1996, Sarah Spiers, 18 (Australia day weekend)
9 June 1996, Jane Rimmer, 23 (St Columba Feast day)
14 March 1997, Ciara Glennon, 27 (St Patricks day celebrations)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_murders

The Three Saints of Iona Isle aka Three Patron Saints of Ireland

Brigit of Kildare Feast day: 1 February
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigit_of_Kildare
Saint Columba, Feast Day: 9 June
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba
St Patrick, Feast day: 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

 

[Bartholemeus]

Bartholemeus, who do you think killed the Claremont girls?

My favourites in order (subject to change as more information comes to light)

1. LW
2. MAP
3. Unidentified to Macro and Public

gap

4. Identified to Macro but not to public
5. PW, TT

Gap

6. PW/SR Combo, MD, DM, DAD
7. Smae killer as GR
8. RD, RZ, ML

Something roughly like that. If it turns out they have DNA then it changes considerably.

And yours?

 

[crabstick]

According to The Subiaco Post, police believe the killer used a mid-1990s white Holden Commodore VS series 1 to abduct and kill at least two of his victims.

They have linked fibres found on Jane Rimmer's body to the upholstery of a car matching that description.

The newspaper also reports the killer had some link to screen-printing and had a way of "printing coloured words and patterns on fabric such as T-shirts".

After years of apparent inaction on the unsolved case, these are the latest clues to be revealed by the Post, which identified a link between the killer and the rape of a woman in Karrakatta Cemetery in October.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/123042319/

The angle between the two bodies that passes through the Claremont hotel is 347 degrees
Pantone 347 in printing is St Patricks Green
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland
Pantones of the Irish flag

Ciara went missing the St Patricks celebrations. Ciarian is the masculine form of Ciara in Two Patricks theory. AKA St Ciarian

26 January 1996, Sarah Spiers, 18 (Australia day weekend)
9 June 1996, Jane Rimmer, 23 (St Columba Feast day)
14 March 1997, Ciara Glennon, 27 (St Patricks day celebrations)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_murders

The Three Saints of Iona Isle aka Three Patron Saints of Ireland

Brigit of Kildare Feast day: 1 February
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigit_of_Kildare
Saint Columba, Feast Day: 9 June
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba
St Patrick, Feast day: 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

 

[crabstick]

Mr Christian said as far as he knew, police had not identified the man responsible for the 1995 rape, but had re-interviewed thousands of people since originally making the link a number of years ago.

"What's really chilling is that when they [the police] began a cold-case review of the serial killings in 2004 ...they announced they would be examining the disappearance of 16 women," he said.

"So who knows how active and for how long this guy has been before this."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...claremont-serial-killer-investigation/6859620

 

[Mo Joe]

My favourites in order (subject to change as more information comes to light)

1. LW
2. MAP
3. Unidentified to Macro and Public

gap

4. Identified to Macro but not to public
5. PW, TT

Gap

6. PW/SR Combo, MD, DM, DAD
7. Smae killer as GR
8. RD, RZ, ML

Something roughly like that. If it turns out they have DNA then it changes considerably.

And yours?

Your #4 would be my #1

 

[Bartholemeus]

Your #4 would be my #1

Upon thinking about it, maybe there's no gap between my 3 and 4. My initial thinking was if they had him on their list right near the top and couldn't rule him out they'd go public and try and find that smoking gun. But maybe he's further down the list because of an alibi and that alibi is a fake.

How high up on your list is CSK and GR being the same killer?

Have you looked into Noel Coward's claims against TT? Noel at one stage was claiming TT and his mates also did GR.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

I believe they have. Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked (including SM). Whether that's accurate or not is another story.

That's what I'm talking about. Can you please offer us the link to support that "Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked"

I have never read that anywhere. I believe I have read that they specifically don't believe the SMM or Lisa Brown disappearances are connected but I also read that there was a belief that Julie Cutler's disappearance may be. I have read that police were also looking at 16 previous murders and disappearances in to the Claremont murders but I have never, anywhere, read that the Claremont Killings and GR murder were or were not connected. (No inclusion/no exclusion)

So can you clarify your statement "Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked" with any written support?

 

[MyLeftFoot]

I believe they have. Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked (including SM). Whether that's accurate or not is another story.

That's what I'm talking about. Can you please offer us the link to support that "Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked"

I have never read that anywhere. I believe I have read that they specifically don't believe the SMM or Lisa Brown disappearances are connected but I also read that there was a belief that Julie Cutler's disappearance may be. I have read that police were also looking at 16 previous murders and disappearances in regard to the Claremont murders but I have never, anywhere, read that the Claremont Killings and GR murder were or were not connected. (No inclusion/no exclusion)

So can you clarify your statement "Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked" with any written support?

 

[MyLeftFoot]

Note to self..get new computer

 

[Bartholemeus]

That's what I'm talking about. Can you please offer us the link to support that "Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked"

I have never read that anywhere. I believe I have read that they specifically don't believe the SMM or Lisa Brown disappearances are connected but I also read that there was a belief that Julie Cutler's disappearance may be. I have read that police were also looking at 16 previous murders and disappearances in to the Claremont murders but I have never, anywhere, read that the Claremont Killings and GR murder were or were not connected. (No inclusion/no exclusion)

So can you clarify your statement "Police have said numerous times that they don't believe any other murders are linked" with any written support?

I'm not going to spend hours looking for it because it was years ago but I'm quite sure they poured cold water on this case being linked to others. I'm also quite sure it was in relation to people trying to link the two cases you mentioned as well as Hayley Dodd.

 

[Mo Joe]

Note to self..get new computer

Same..

 

[crabstick]

I dont think people are trying to link eg. Hahley Dodd. I ghink people check if there are links to other cases then rule the victim out of the case relationship. No different really to police investigation. So the victim is tested for any relation.
So in the case of Dodd, there is a POI being extradited from QLD.
Does he have relationship with Morey? Does he know of Morey?
What happened to Wark anyway? Did Wark ever live near Claremont?
So the task check out feasible relationships is to rule out with facts backed by police and media reports.