Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

[Reality]

Rear 260c

Very distinctive tail lights on the datsun

Rear Gemini

Looks same as in the driveway



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On the earlier Geminis (TC, TD, TX), the tail lights are quite similar to the Datsun 260c. From a distance, in the dark with the tail lights on, it wouldn't be difficult to mistake the two. They're also roughly the same size (Gemini is 4.2m, Datsun is 4.4m), and both have two and four door models.

The one in the driveway is a later model Gemini, but it's unlikely he kept the same car for 25 years.

 

[meticulously]

rsbm . Sarah went missing but the abductor is not BE, however this triggered in him some type of copy cat scenario BE played out?

Apart from the similarities of the area etc, what evidence is there really to suggest it was the same killer?

Do you have any any proof ss was not BE's crime ?

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[meticulously]

What is the clue???

I think BE looks like the identikit of the two "unknown/unidentified" attacks so that might link him to those incidents [emoji368]

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[meticulously]

What is the clue???

Screen shots captured in the background of the two csk documentaries. See timeline/media thread

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[Grok]

hateyrgutsloveyrface Friends and family are likely to say their loved one would never hop into a strangers car because in doing so attributes some kind of blame in peoples minds.

However, there were elements of risk the women already displayed such as not leaving with friends, walking alone in the streets late at night, standing on a road where anyone could have pulled up. So is it such a far reach that perhaps they got into a car with someone they didn't know? Or perhaps there was a thread of familiarity such as they had met them previously at another venue.

What ever happened that night I am not suggesting they were at fault.

The reasoning that these women were "well heeled" or intelligent, has nothing to do with it and opposed to what? Women that are not well heeled and therefore not intelligent and are risk takers?

 

[The Hobo]

Just remember though that this was a long time ago, Perth was different back then. Almost naive. People weren't as vigilant as they are now.

There is also the possibility he had been planning this for a while. Bumped into the girls a few times over the past weeks.. Or even a few times that night.. enough to gain familiarity but not enough for them to mention him to anyone.

Then when he happens to be driving by and sees them, he simply offers them a lift and they probably wouldn't think twice.

This would be on the assumption the girls went there often and called for taxis from the same place etc. Given how humans are creatures of habit, this isn't entirely impossible.

 

[Grok]

There was however numerous assaults in the area. So what is the possibility that all of them were committed by BE or there was more than one operator in the area? or the game had been lifted in his territory and he escalated it in a copy cat fashion.

 

[delbertGrady]

The blurry identikit, and the eyes/ eyebrows one, both look exactly like BE. I believe BE could be MM also. I need to see some pics of him around the mid 90's though.

i believe if the identikits were realeased to the public someone would have made the connection long ago.

IMO.

glad this creep has finally been found out for his true nature.

good on Wapol for not giving up and finally cracking the case.

i hope his living victims are able to feel safe now, they are probably the key to what cracked the case.

RIP to the ones who's life BE has taken(I suspect many more than the 3), I hope the families get the answers they need and justice is served to BE.

i personally feel relieved that there is no longer a serial killer loose in my city.

 

[The Hobo]

What was the source for the identikits? Who had seen him and knew he was the man?

 

[Zero.]

Has there been any discussion as to whether there will be another probe into the investigation and how it was conducted?
Obviously there hasn't been a conviction yet, but considering that they made this DNA link ~12 months ago and would have been building a solid case since then before making an arrest, we can assume that this is the right guy.
The original head of Macro task force, Paul Ferguson was replaced after two years.
His replacement, Dave Caporn was responsible for convicting a man for the murder of Pamela Lawrence.
The man he convicted was found to be innocent after spending 12 years in prison and it was found that the investigation and court proceedings against the accused was done in a somewhat suspicious way. Dave Caporn resigned in 2009 before the inquest could be fully conducted.
There have been several suspects in the CSK case that were heavily surveilled for quite some time, and it seems that a lot of leads and evidence may have been overlooked or flat out dismissed because they didn't fit with suspect they were focusing on at the time.
It seems that the big break in this case came as a result of a different program that was testing old evidence with new forensic techniques. That is to say that it wasn't the Macro taskforce that made this discovery.
Could the case have been solved much earlier than it has been?

 

[Grok]

Just remember though that this was a long time ago, Perth was different back then. Almost naive. People weren't as vigilant as they are now.

There is also the possibility he had been planning this for a while. Bumped into the girls a few times over the past weeks.. Or even a few times that night.. enough to gain familiarity but not enough for them to mention him to anyone.

Then when he happens to be driving by and sees them, he simply offers them a lift and they probably wouldn't think twice.

This would be on the assumption the girls went there often and called for taxis from the same place etc. Given how humans are creatures of habit, this isn't entirely impossible.

It would depend on your experiences as a women in that era as too how vigilant you were I suppose. I would have been around 19 at the time. I know I wouldn't have liked standing on Stirling hwy by myself at night. At all...

I guess what I am trying to say is there are many reasons why a woman might get into someones car apart from the car appearing to be a trusted source such as a taxi etc. Or there's an impression that they wouldn't have got into car unless it was against their will. I'm just saying look outside the scope of what we "think" these women would have done or not done on that night.

 

[meticulously]

What was the source for the identikits? Who had seen him and knew he was the man?

unconfirmed origin .
Read about it at the at the end of thread #6

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[meticulously]

The blurry identikit, and the eyes/ eyebrows one, both look exactly like BE. I believe BE could be MM also. I need to see some pics of him around the mid 90's though.

i believe if the identikits were realeased to the public someone would have made the connection long ago.

IMO.

glad this creep has finally been found out for his true nature.

good on Wapol for not giving up and finally cracking the case.

i hope his living victims are able to feel safe now, they are probably the key to what cracked the case. Rsbm - snip )

Thanks dg [emoji122] well said . I think it might be MM although from wayback at the first release I felt it was a red herring . A chance still perhaps , its just the hair is lighter on mm than be

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[Aroundthecorner]

Thanks dg [emoji122] well said . I think it might be MM although from wayback at the first release I felt it was a red herring . A chance still perhaps , its just the hair is lighter on mm than be

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The similarity between the identikit and BE is nothing short of extraordinary.

Just a theory, but is it possible while the security camera only captured the back of MM, that someone/people in the club that night had given a physical description of him? Perhaps he bought drinks or approached another girl? Or was just attracting attention by standing by himself and staring?

Even so, it is THAT accurate, I think if I had an artist sitting next to me and I described BE from the many times I have looked at his pic over the past couple of days, I STILL don't think I'd get it that accurate.

 

[Misticaldees]

Where is papertrail at? His posts look sooooo sus now.

 

[meticulously]

Where is papertrail at? His posts look sooooo sus now.

Particularly sus is that a couple of sleuths ( & I ) were starting to dig into researching about the identikits about a month ago , when bam the tiger moth film was released and I felt it was a calculated derailer . Eventually we might uncover that mystery,
Or maybe not .

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[Alice Bernadette]

I would suggest that the other matters probably include: petty theft of women's garments, voyeurism, other sexual attacks and possibly the disappearance of Julie Cutler and Hayley Dodd.

Julie Cutler was in 1988 when his first known attack occurred in Huntingdale so I don't think he is involved and Hayley Dodd disappeared in Badgingarra in the wheatbelt which is quite a distance from the metro area and also Francis John Wark is accused of killing Hayley.

 

[Misticaldees]

Be could have been in the car that pulled up at lights with ss popped the back of car said he's doing maintenance complaints about phone then blitzed her. If he asked when she used the phone he'd know how much time he had.

 

[meticulously]

The similarity between the identikit and BE is nothing short of extraordinary.

Just a theory, but is it possible while the security camera only captured the back of MM, that someone/people in the club that night had given a physical description of him? Perhaps he bought drinks or approached another girl? Or was just attracting attention by standing by himself and staring?

No , unlikely . Imo the identikits are from the attacks pre/post ss & jr disappearances . Theres more than four claremont "danger zone" attacks plus some attacks at murdoch uni , but more than likely the claremont incidents from living witnesses
Imo
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[Alice Bernadette]

Just remember though that this was a long time ago, Perth was different back then. Almost naive. People weren't as vigilant as they are now.

There is also the possibility he had been planning this for a while. Bumped into the girls a few times over the past weeks.. Or even a few times that night.. enough to gain familiarity but not enough for them to mention him to anyone.

Then when he happens to be driving by and sees them, he simply offers them a lift and they probably wouldn't think twice.

This would be on the assumption the girls went there often and called for taxis from the same place etc. Given how humans are creatures of habit, this isn't entirely impossible.

It was similar to today. Women knew it was dangerous to accept lifts just as much as today. The David and Catherine Birnie murders were just a few years earlier. There was plenty of crime around then.