Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #9 *ARREST

[Bartholemeus]

What compelling circumstantial evidence have sleuthers uncovered that provide possible "motives" for BRE being guilty of any or all of the crimes BRE has been charged with so far?

None. It's all based on DNA. LW was within a cat hair of being charged. Many in Macro were absolutely convinced and he was their #1 suspect until at least 2004. But they didn't charge him because they couldn't find the smoking gun and without that there wouldn't have been a conviction.

So based on DNA and the fact that they made an arrest and charged him causes most people to think SCS probably have their man and right now are busy building an air-tight Caporn-free case. They'll probably need more than DNA alone. I suspect SvD will attack the credibility of the DNA so right now Macro will be mapping out BE's whereabouts, alibis elc.

 

[Coroner]

I suspect there will be little left asset wise after Francis Burt Chambers have got their cut of it from no doubt endless appeals.

I understand he is working pro bono

 

[potr]

I understand he is working pro bono

And your evidence/confirmation of this?

The charged has some assets. The barrister is a qc with great references and reputation - not an up and comer requiring publicity. The amount of resources that will be required to defend this guy properly would be massive. I also imagine that the instructing solicitor would expect full and reasonable payment. The parents must have also considerable assets if the reports from here are true, 2 holiday houses, a city residence and property sold subdivided into 13. If the parents won't step in, they can probably place a caveat on their wills.

 

[Moustachio]

Doorway man has sleeves rolled up.

I would be surprised if there was a 2nd entrance, because 2x security costs.

I think if you drive past today, there is only the one entrance

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a link off bf. the other guy sure looks like BRE? Rather than mm?

All very confusing though..

**being doorway man

 

[Moustachio]

SVD is not a mercenary, he has considerable integrity. He won't be doing it for free if BE has resources. Barristers are not allowed to refuse instructions, unlike solicitors.

He may well be advising his client to plead guilty at this moment, if the evidence is there.

If it is a not guilty plea, and only the evidence is tested, rather than a positive defence, you can infer he has admitted guilt (to his lawyers).

Otherwise, his defence might be to point the finger at LW as the real killer.

And your evidence/confirmation of this?

The charged has some assets. The barrister is a qc with great references and reputation - not an up and comer requiring publicity. The amount of resources that will be required to defend this guy properly would be massive. I also imagine that the instructing solicitor would expect full and reasonable payment. The parents must have also considerable assets if the reports from here are true, 2 holiday houses, a city residence and property sold subdivided into 13. If the parents won't step in, they can probably place a caveat on their wills.

 

[WASleuth]

Oh there is no chance he is admitting anything IMO, at least he can't appeal on grounds of poor representation. I suppose that is a positive.

I just don't agree with judge only trials, regardless of the LR case, I think it's wrong and to suggest members of the public couldn't make a fair assessment because of one statement really underestimates the average citizen in my opinion and the judicial process.
Even a jury flown in from over east would have been a fairer outcome.
As soon as a judge was appointed there was almost no chance of him being found guilty any reasonable doubt gets him off.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the absolute test, so in LR's case the outcome was right


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[Coroner]

And your evidence/confirmation of this?

The charged has some assets. The barrister is a qc with great references and reputation - not an up and comer requiring publicity. The amount of resources that will be required to defend this guy properly would be massive. I also imagine that the instructing solicitor would expect full and reasonable payment. The parents must have also considerable assets if the reports from here are true, 2 holiday houses, a city residence and property sold subdivided into 13. If the parents won't step in, they can probably place a caveat on their wills.

From the mouth of a barrister, though I understand what you're saying in regards to brand building

 

[MsAnais]

Based on a post BE liked on FB I would suggest he loves his mum, and thus has a decent relationship with her.

No offence, but that seems incredibly naive to me.

No way that a man who stalks, rapes and murders women has a truly healthy relationship with his mother. His relationship with her in early childhood is the blueprint for his future connections/attitudes/beliefs towards women.....

It may have looked alright from the outside, but if you could be a fly-on-the-wall in the family home I'm sure you'd find some unsettling and unhealthy dynamics.(with ALL family members, not just him and his mum)

Judging by his crimes, he has HUGE primal rage against women.....and that's born from childhood....not just from a girlfriend/wife rejecting him as an adult. The adult rejection merely reactivates that early stuff in his system.

jmo

nb. I'm not saying it's his mother's fault, btw...I feel for her and all of his family. Everyone only ever does the best that they can at the time. Studies show over and over that family dynamics/experiences plus being born with the right wiring to become a killer combine to create a serial killer ...it's always nature AND nurture.

 

[SN76]

No offence, but that seems incredibly naive to me.

No way that a man who stalks, rapes and murders women has a truly healthy relationship with his mother. His relationship with her in early childhood is the blueprint for his future connections/attitudes/beliefs towards women.....

It may have looked alright from the outside, but if you could be a fly-on-the-wall in the family home I'm sure you'd find some unsettling and unhealthy dynamics.(with ALL family members, not just him and his mum)

Judging by his crimes, he has HUGE primal rage against women.....and that's born from childhood....not just from a girlfriend/wife rejecting him as an adult. The adult rejection merely reactivates that early stuff in his system.

jmo

nb. I'm not saying it's his mother's fault, btw...I feel for her and all of his family. Everyone only ever does the best that they can at the time. Studies show over and over that family dynamics/experiences plus being born with the right wiring to become a killer combine to create a serial killer ...it's always nature AND nurture.

I agree 100%!

 

[Moustachio]

Can we just focus on facts, not pop psychology about serial killers gleaned from TV thrillers?

 

[b4u]

He did actually make a token effort to conceal both girls..... Something about the SS ordeal appears to have made him tweak his dumping MO.

Here we go again. Writing in a language that says BRE 100% did it. That there was only one SK involved. That he is 100% guilty of murder of SS, when he has not even been charged with any offences related to SS (yet).

 

[Grok]

People with a higher emotional intelligence pick up on these things, a key factor of EIQ is empathy; women tend to have more empathy. Why?
To grossly oversimply it, an evolutionary necessity for healthy child rearing and more specifically what causes it? Hormones, higher testosterone levels seem to be consistent with less empathy.

I was trying to outline was (out of context without the previous post) is women need to assess situations socially pretty quickly in regards to men. Because in fact sometimes they are placed in dangerous or awkward situations in social scenes or even at work. If you BE in a social or work scene a man will be making an assessment about him in a different way than a women. A bloke might miss some of the detail that a women is picking up. So while I am interesting in what blokes thought of him, I am more interested in what women thought of him because there's more information in that scenario.

Also I think we can get stuck in the science to explain away certain human traits but it creates generalisations about men and women which are less relevant then say 40 years ago.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Judging by his crimes, he has HUGE primal rage against women.....and that's born from childhood....not just from a girlfriend/wife rejecting him as an adult. The adult rejection merely reactivates that early stuff in his system.

I'm no shrink but I don't believe this is necessarily true. Whilst I do believe he was probably born with his "condition" or whatever you want to call it, it's quite possible it is as simple as his sexual kink is dominating women. Not all girls who read 50 Shades hate themselves and not all guys who watch slap *advertiser censored* hate women. No doubt LE are going through his browsing history. Given his computer skills he would have been using VPNs and the like but it would be interesting to see what he was interested in.

I do think the attacks coincided with his break ups but I think this was a trigger to act out his fantasies rather than an underlying cause of his fantasies.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Here we go again. Writing in a language that says BRE 100% did it. That there was only one SK involved. That he is 100% guilty of murder of SS, when he has not even been charged with any offences related to SS (yet).

"He" refers to the CSK. Not necessarily BE. You obviously didn't read my post #1427. Looks like you have made an incorrect assumption.

I think you need a Bex and a lie down.

 

[gajafar]

Here we go again.

Fair points. Best to keep an open mind. Police haven't said enough for us to confirm that much. Until the court details come out we don't what the cops really have on him.

 

[bessie]

This thread has run way too long. I'm shutting her down, and will open a fresh thread a little later tonight (U.S. time).

In the meantime, think about your posts, and how they might have disrupted the thread and inconvenienced your fellow posters.

Bessie

 

[bessie]

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