From what I've read about serial killers they're usually average to highly intelligent people. Sometimes highly intelligent people treat other people as though they're dense.
However, the Birnnie pair didn't appear to have much intelligence at all. LOL
Yeah maybe you have to be cleverer these days to get away with it due to all the technology.
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The Cutler disappearance has been postulated to be connected to the CSK by police as a possible first kill. Sleuthing this disappearance on this thread seems appropriate IMHO.
IMO BRE was involved with the JC disappearance and it was his first step from being an Apprentice along his path to being CSK.
Well, BRE was almost certainly a Telecom apprentice at this time.
1. BRE would have been around 19 ½ years at the time of JCs abduction. However, BRE has been charged with a sexual assault at Huntingdale that occurred in the early hours of Monday February 15[SUP]th[/SUP] 1988. The charge was from evidence on the kimono that was left at the scene at Huntingdale. BRE would have been just over 19 years at the time of this assault. There were other unsolved sex assaults around area at time.
2. Kimono clue to a brutal killing The West Australian, Perth Wednesday February 17 1988 by Cyril Ayris "This kimono may be the clue that helps solve the brutal killing of Victoria Heather Clark, 30, in Victoria Park last September. BRE 18 ¾ years.
3. This 1988 newspaper article in the West Australian newspaper and years later in The Post newspapers makes the point that the kimono is linked to the above murder. It doesnt say exactly how, but confident the sexual assault BRE has been charged with was linked to brutal murder of Victoria Clark.
4. David Troy Masters was charged and convicted of this murder. If the kimono was linked to BRE and this murder, how did or did BRE know David Troy Masters? What part did BRE have to play in this murder (not suggesting at all that BRE committed the murder). Perhaps he may have acted as a lookout, just watched or assisted in some way and left some evidence (blood?, body fluid?, finger prints?)
5. Links to a person convicted of this serious murder implies he may have had links to others likeminded people. Maybe through online gaming communication or early blogs involving some sort of sexual fantasies where he could recognise and meet bloggers whom he could tell from what and how they wrote they actually had committed sexual assaults, and not just wannabes.
6. He already has allegedly been involved in serious sexual assault and somehow linked to a brutal murder.
IMO he was willing to graduate to the big time perhaps encouraged or influenced by others that may have acted as a mentor(s) in the JC case.
Innerchild, your post is interesting. Please excuse my ignorance but how could someone blog in 1988?
I have no idea, but I'm trying to understand how BRE was linked to the convicted killer of Victoria Clark (and one other from memory). What do you think?
There's been lots of mention that BRE didn't have many friends - at that age he was probably socially awkward like a nerd.
It would make sense that BRE had colleagues with similar interests though (other nerds). Does anyone know what David Masters did for work?
Not blog as such but message and view content through compuserve or bulletin board systems on fido. Something like that. I'm BRE's vintage and as uni students in Perth, we were using these to communicate and get gaming tips for those wonderful text filled early adventure games.Innerchild, your post is interesting. Please excuse my ignorance but how could someone blog in 1988?
I know it sounds weird and you are entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you it happened. I was driving down Kelvin Rd Maddington and I saw a woman walking along the path. What got my attention was what she was wearing. She had a black floor length, long sleeved gown thing on. As I went past, she turned to look at me. The gown had a White symbol on it like a pentagram or something. Scared the hell out of me I can tell you lol. Didn't know who it was at the time. Now I think it was Jane RimmerNow that you mentioned it, I'm sure I saw Elvis drive past in his Cadillac the other day.
Not blog as such but message and view content through compuserve or bulletin board systems on fido. Something like that. I'm BRE's vintage and as uni students in Perth, we were using these to communicate and get gaming tips for those wonderful text filled early adventure games.
I know it sounds weird and you are entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you it happened. I was driving down Kelvin Rd Maddington and I saw a woman walking along the path. What got my attention was what she was wearing. She had a black floor length, long sleeved gown thing on. As I went past, she turned to look at me. The gown had a White symbol on it like a pentagram or something. Scared the hell out of me I can tell you lol. Didn't know who it was at the time. Now I think it was Jane Rimmer
It's interesting you mention another one. Were you referring to Kerry turner who went missing from Victoria Park in 1991. Last seen accepting a lift on Shepperton Rd. At the time, Shepperton Rd was a main arterial when venturing south.
Hi canning vale, sorry I was in a rush when answering you. I meant that David Masters was also convicted of another violent sexual murder, committed around 6 months earlier. I will find the full newspaper report. I think the problem was the WAPO had evidence on the kimono dropped at Huntingdale attempted assault, they had a the same evidence at the scene of the VC murder, but had no idea who it belonged to. There would have no record of BRE as he was not on the system or charged with anything IMO. I do think BRE was responsible for Kerry Turner disappearance and death though, and previous posters have posted a summary of her disappearance.
I found the post on 02-23-2017, #800 Nickerz86 of her first hand experience visiting Quote all the murderers Unquote when thinking about links between criminals."...I dated an accused murderer when I was 19 until the age of 22, he beat the murder charge and was found guilty of manslaughter, he spent most of the 4 years of his term in Casuarina Prison and I actually met different murders while visiting him on weekends, I met Bill Mitchell, Phillip Gleeson, Donald Morey and a couple more, my ex partner was in Protection with all the murderers and considered them "good friends" he also knew David Birnie he helped him with my ex partners cases because he had no idea what to do, once Birnie commited suicide my ex partner wrote letters back and forth the Catherine Birnie, he never discussed what they wrote about but his initial letter was to send his condolences when Dave passed away..."
Convicted killers considering each other good friends and visitors meeting many of these murderers, developing connections between themselves and anyone's visitor gives many chances for links. Friend of a friend"" would do it. I'm not at all suggesting anything nasty about Nickerz, only pleased she shared this interesting first hand account.
Innerchild - my apologies if i may not have been clear enough with my intent on posting the earlier link to the picture of the groyne as I remembered it, however, it was to depict the fact that you had to step down onto the rocks rather than up onto them. It isnt very clear but you can see the edges of the slab of concrete that are not blocked by rocks. You can also see the full length of the peoples legs walking along it and I believe there are 2 people sitting with their legs hanging over the side. It also appears that people have climbed down to sunbake as earlier suggested. I can assure you that it was nothing like it is today though and nowhere near as wide. As I said also, I remember the end dropped off completely making it quite easy to jump off. Driving a car off would have posed very little problem IMO without having to get up and over any rocks at all. It would have been a straight down drop more or less in certain places & with a couple of strategically placed planks of wood, (or back seat perhaps) I think they would have been able to clear the rocks completely.
I dont discount the earlier post suggesting the majority of the damage perhaps being done on the tow into shore though too and if I had to place a bet, my money would be on it having been driven down the boat ramp in front of the old building and straight into the sea, simply for the fact that it has been reported that the lights were on. I doubt someone would have driven it off the groyne with lights blazing for fear of being noticed. I dont believe it had to be launched from the pavement as you suggested from the previous images. I think that carries the risk of it not clearing the sand at all and therefore defeating what appears to have been their purpose. Its also possible that some damage may have been sustained connecting with the pylon if it was driven off the ramp too.
Has anyone actually seen copies of the Daily News or The Weekend West around that time? Its been reported widely there was barely a mention in any of the papers and theres certainly not alot online, but I have a clear vision of the car being shown in the sea slightly forward and to the left of the Pylon and the photo having been taken from the grassed area above the old herringbone path (also previously mentioned and absolutely once there leading straight to the groyne past the old kids pool). I cant imagine why I would remember that if not for having seen it in a paper. I dont recall it being upside down though which seems to be general consensus today & until I read of the damage sustained on this site, I didnt believe it to have been badly damaged when it was found either. In fact I thought that was part of the mystery of how they managed to drive it off the groyne (as police suspected) without sustaining much damage at all. However, I could be totally wrong about the car too, it was a brief moment back in the 80's... the groyne I do remember very clearly though
Innerchild,
Please don't go to any trouble about finding anything on the case, I've read quiet a bit about it. I'll continue to read your blog.
