Found Deceased Australia - Elisa Curry, 43, Aireys Inlet, Melbourne, 30 Sept 2017 #1

[Gardener1850]

This article also mentions a friend being with her for the game and says the game was over when the neighbours came over so I don't think the neighbours watched the game WITH her...

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/a...earance-has-cops-baffled-20171005-gyurf7.html


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Ms Curry watched the AFL grand final on Saturday afternoon at the family holiday home on Victoria's Surf Coast. A female friend who watched the game with her left sometime after it ended.

Two neighbours came around on Saturday night, the husband and wife both left and the wife later came back and saw Ms Curry get into bed.

Now we are starting to see a timeline develop. Now I wonder--who did she have dinner with? The friend or the neighbors? Did the friend know the neighbors went over? :thinking:

 

[Trooper]

An incident at or close to the house would explain the compact search area

Removing a body from the house, through bush, to a cliff, in the dark...would leave evidence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locard's_exchange_principle

Locard.... every contact leaves a trace........

In Forensic science, Locard's exchange principle holds that the perpetrator of a crime will bring something into the crime scene and leave with something from it, and that both can be used as forensic evidence. Dr. Edmond Locard (13 December 1877 – 4 May 1966) was a pioneer in forensic science He formulated the basic principle of forensic science as: "Every contact leaves a trace". Paul L. Kirk[2] expressed the principle as follows:

"Wherever he steps, whatever he touches, whatever he leaves, even unconsciously, will serve as a silent witness against him. Not only his fingerprints or his footprints, but his hair, the fibers from his clothes, the glass he breaks, the tool mark he leaves, the paint he scratches, the blood or semen he deposits or collects. All of these and more, bear mute witness against him. This is evidence that does not forget. It is not confused by the excitement of the moment. It is not absent because human witnesses are. It is factual evidence. Physical evidence cannot be wrong, it cannot perjure itself, it cannot be wholly absent. Only human failure to find it, study and understand it, can diminish its value."

 

[Winterchild87]

I've already asked this a few times...
Never any info. :dunno:

I don't think it's odd that the husband doesn't know what she was wearing. At first I did, but I bought some new active wear recently and my partner didn't see it for a while. My cupboard also has quite a bit of clothing and linen in it, so he wouldn't readily be able to identify the clothes via process of elimination.

If we had gone away for a weekend he might have better chance. Running shoes- my partner would definitely be able to tell which were missing as I personally only have two pairs (but wealthier marathon runner may have several I guess).

They may also have the holiday house/weekender set up as a second home- they may have clothes there and not need to transport a suitcase etc which means maybe her husband didn't know or had forgotten which clothes she had there.

The part that has seemed odd to me from the start is that the neighbour reported seeing her in bed. Unless she locked the door and went to bed in a front room with light on before the neighbour had completely left the property.

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[Bohemian]

A 'personal' chat then silence - Elisa Curry disappearance has cops baffled
The Age
Tammy Mills and Anna Prytz
3 mins ago (as at 13:14 AEST 5 October 2017)

‘The disappearance of 43-year-old Victorian woman Elisa Curry is unusual.

Normally, police have little clues they can follow: the direction someone was last seen heading, a phone pinging from a tower to reveal a location or a car left somewhere.

They don't have any of that in this missing persons case, no one even knows what she might be wearing.

They do know that on the night she was last seen, she had been discussing a "personal" matter with a female friend. But that's about it.

An intensive, four-day hunt has yielded no sign of the mother of three and keen marathon runner who was last seen at her family's holiday home in Aireys Inlet, near the Great Ocean Road, on Saturday night.

"The difficulty here is we haven't had any of that," Inspector Peter Seel said at the start of the fifth day of searching on Thursday.

“We don't know what she was wearing, we don't know at the time what her state of mind was, so it's difficult to gather all of that together and know what happened."

This is what police do know.

Ms Curry watched the AFL grand final on Saturday afternoon at the family holiday home on Victoria's Surf Coast. A female friend who watched the game with her left sometime after it ended.

Two neighbours came around on Saturday night, the husband and wife both left and the wife later came back and saw Ms Curry get into bed.

“They've come over and spoken to her and she said she was going to bed," Inspector Seel.

Inspector Seel won't say why the neighbour came back, just that it was a personal matter. Police have yet to say what that personal matter was.

Ms Curry had been texting her husband David, who was at the grand final with their three children, about the result of the game but by 10.30pm her phone – which is also missing – was switched off, so far never to be turned back on.

By the time Mr Curry and the kids came back to Aireys at 9am on Sunday as planned, Ms Curry was gone.

When she left or what she was wearing when she did is still a mystery.

"He [Mr Curry] has looked around the house, " Inspector Seel said.

“He just can't identify what was there and what wasn't there as far as clothing goes."

In what may be related or not – as in Ms Curry either took it with her or it escaped – the family's black Labrador was also gone.

It was found late on Monday afternoon roaming the streets by a neighbour.

So here are the questions: maybe she got up in the middle of the night and left, maybe the keen marathon runner went for a run on Sunday morning.

Even more difficult to answer, and deeply personal, is the answer to the question of why.

Asked about her mental health in a press conference on Thursday, Inspector Steel said: "I don't think that takes that any further as far as the search goes".

Police haven't found any signs of foul play, but that doesn't mean they haven't combed through the family's lives for answers and searched their home back in the Melbourne suburb of Surrey Hills.’

‘Inspector Seel said Mr Curry and the couple's three young children, aged seven to 12, were "very distressed".

"They're doing it pretty badly at the moment, especially the children," Inspector Seel told radio station 3AW.

“My hope is we can give them some answers. If we can give them those answers at this stage, I don't know."

However given there is no involvement from specialist police squads such as homicide or the suspicious missing persons unit, it could be a case of she's injured herself in the bush.

The land along the Surf Coast is beautiful, but also unforgiving. The bush is dense, the tracks are rocky, there are cliffs and tidal seas.

On Thursday morning, police set off in a boat along a nearby creek searching in reeds and rocks. An Airwing team rejoined the search too, flying over cliffs near Eagle Rock Parade.

"It's risky and the tides can come in suddenly," said one neighbour.

"It is very distressing isn't it?

"You feel sadness and despair. Everyone is very concerned in the area and it could have been us.

"She's a mother and a daughter and a wife and a friend."‘

Read more at:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/a...earance-has-cops-baffled-20171005-gyurf7.html

 

[Trooper]

I cant help but think this bit about 'seeing Elise in bed' has a measure of bad reporting in it. It is hard to believe someone actually said that, unless there is an element of English as a second language to it.

It just has too much of the bizarre , even the grotesque in it.. I , like the rest of you, cannot imagine such a scenario.. I mean,, you'd have to get up and lock up after them, right?.. logically, it hasn't got a lot going for it, it sounds.. well. it ... sounds off. It doesn't scan.

 

[symbah]

An update on todays search:

Police have searched the family’s Surrey Hills address for signs of Mrs Curry and a friend has been staying at the property in case the missing woman returns home.

Police counsellors have spoken with Mr Curry, while family and friends are supporting him and the couple’s children.

“(Yesterday) he said to me (the children) were very worried about their mother, obviously distressed, and he was trying to support them as best he could,” Inspector Seel said.

Today, day five of the search assisted by bush rescue volunteers, will focus on the creek, and scrub between Urquharts Bluff and the Aireys Inlet township.

Water Police are also trawling the creek while about 40 other officers doorknock homes within a 300m radius of the Curry’s holiday house to check yards and sheds.

Police divers could be called in another day if the weather permits, Inspector Seel said.

He said police tracking dogs were not being used because it had been too many days and too many people had been walking in the area.

Day four of the search saw a focus on car parks, cliffs and the remote coastal trails she was known to run along.
Authorities are also investigating the possibility she may have been swept out to sea.

Police will assess their plans and search patterns this afternoon.
“If we don’t find anything we’ll scale it right back,” Inspector Seel said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...r/news-story/d536644942a700774ace22805ab90ea6

 

[ozazure]

The neighbour is odd and the story is odd.

 

[BoysTown]

The part that has seemed odd to me from the start is that the neighbour reported seeing her in bed. Unless she locked the door and went to bed in a front room with light on before the neighbour had completely left the property

The master bedroom is upstairs so if Elisa was in bed when the neighbour left she would have had to go down stairs and let herself out...

 

[Trooper]

The master bedroom is upstairs so if Elisa was in bed when the neighbour left she would have had to go down stairs and let herself out...

And then Elise would have had to get up and go downstairs and lock up after the exiting neighbor then traipse up the stairs again and back into bed.... what's wrong with this picture?...

( answer) . it doesn't make sense.

 

[BoysTown]

Can anyone confirm that the neighbour that was called back to the house at 10pm was RB? (marriage problems neighbour)

 

[BoysTown]

And then Elise would have had to get up and go downstairs and lock up after the exiting neighbor then traipse up the stairs again and back into bed.... what's wrong with this picture?...

( answer) . it doesn't make sense.

Exactly my point!

 

[BoysTown]

And then Elise would have had to get up and go downstairs and lock up after the exiting neighbor then traipse up the stairs again and back into bed.... what's wrong with this picture?...

( answer) . it doesn't make sense.

Or did she ask the neighbour to lock the door on her way out?

That's why I was asking about the dog sleeping inside or out...

 

[ozazure]

If she was drunk and distressed I can see that scenario playing out I guess. Most of us has put someone to bed who has had too much and got teary. I can understand they might not want to put it out there, it isn't flattering.

 

[decsimp]

If the neighbour saw elise just before she went to bed the neighbour could say what she was wearing at that point - then compare to what clothes are still there. That could offer some clues about what she might have been wearing



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[What's up with that?]

And I think he made a fundamental error. He called her in to the police as missing TOO SOON.

Agreed. Do you think, in your theory of what may have happened that he he was in fact in Airey's Inlet Saturday night?




Some general questions/thoughts I have:

Has it been 100% confirmed that he was at the MCG for the grand final?
Tickets get scanned and there is cctv, then of course his phone would show as in the area for x amount of time... So have these things already been checked?

Has it been 100% confirmed that the kids were in his care from the grand final until they got to Airey's Inlet supposedly at 9am Sunday?

There are several permanent speed cameras along the highway between Melbourne and Geelong, but I think between Geelong and Airey's there aren't any permanent ones. Might have captured something if speeding was involved...

IF he did drive to Airey's Inlet that night, he could have avoided Geelong(and thus a whole lot of cameras) and gone via the ringroad out as far as the Torquay exit, which would then give a few options for getting through Torquay. There is the main Surf Coast Highway, Horsehoe Bend Road, and Ghazeepore Road. Then onto Airey's Inlet.

There is also the option to keep going along the ring road/Anglesea Road way to join with the Great Ocean Road, or the "back way" inland to get you to Airey's Inlet.
There is not one way in and out of Airey's inlet, there are many combinations of roads, and many ways one could drive to get there. I don't even know them all myself. (I am in the region but not local to Airey's Inlet).

Maybe the dog was put somewhere until it was mysteriously found in another yard...
Maybe it was purposely let out, or taken a great distance and found it's way back..
Maybe it tried to get back into it's own yard but couldn't so then wandered...

If someone was a "trusted contact" they would have access to her fb account.

If they had her phone, it is possible her fb and other social media/emails/messages were accessible, but sometimes a password is required to deactivate a fb account.

If she has a smartphone(i think she did personally) she may not have had a thumbprint unlock, may not have had it locked at all, or someone may have known her passcode/unlock pattern. (my kids know mine because they like to play games).


If she had an iphone, she may have still had "recent locations" enabled on her phone, if so this would be another way to see where her phone was as Apple constantly tracks the phone unless you turn this function off.


There are many people who would have no problem leaving a 12 yr old in charge of younger children. Especially if all were asleep.

Is it possible that someone else had the kids after the game that night?

It is possible that a random stranger happened upon her and is involved. The Surf Coast region is full of tourists at this time of year and through summer. People will sleep on nature strips in tents and cars, and even in the sand dunes and bushes along the beaches.

I feel it is very "convenient" that it has come out there were "problems in the marriage"...


Just my opinion 😊

 

[*Verdigris]

I don't think it's odd that the husband doesn't know what she was wearing. At first I did, but I bought some new active wear recently and my partner didn't see it for a while. My cupboard also has quite a bit of clothing and linen in it, so he wouldn't readily be able to identify the clothes via process of elimination.

If we had gone away for a weekend he might have better chance. Running shoes- my partner would definitely be able to tell which were missing as I personally only have two pairs (but wealthier marathon runner may have several I guess).

They may also have the holiday house/weekender set up as a second home- they may have clothes there and not need to transport a suitcase etc which means maybe her husband didn't know or had forgotten which clothes she had there.

The part that has seemed odd to me from the start is that the neighbour reported seeing her in bed. Unless she locked the door and went to bed in a front room with light on before the neighbour had completely left the property.

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Actually, I'm with ya on this, and I'm looking up the backpedaling smiley now...
yes, I was reflecting upon it myself, and there is no way my husband would know which running shoes I may have had on; or walking sandals I may have had on; or casual shoes or sandals.... not to mention clothing.
However, I would know exactly what things of his were missing, so maybe that's why I was stumped at first.

now... where is that backpedaler...?




___ :back:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I cant help but think this bit about 'seeing Elise in bed' has a measure of bad reporting in it. It is hard to believe someone actually said that, unless there is an element of English as a second language to it.

It just has too much of the bizarre , even the grotesque in it.. I , like the rest of you, cannot imagine such a scenario.. I mean,, you'd have to get up and lock up after them, right?.. logically, it hasn't got a lot going for it, it sounds.. well. it ... sounds off. It doesn't scan.

Maybe the neighbours are creeps. Yep, I said it! RB wanted to convey an 'intimate' relationship with Elisa and it wasn't that way at all!

 

[symbah]

Trying to work out the comings and goings and yes, it seems a friend watched the game with Elisa and then later the neighbours came over.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/a...earance-has-cops-baffled-20171005-gyurf7.html

Ms Curry watched the AFL grand final on Saturday afternoon at the Surf Coast holiday home. A female friend who watched the game with her left sometime after it ended.

Two neighbours came around on Saturday night, the husband and wife both left and the wife later came back and saw Ms Curry get into bed.

"They've come over and spoken to her and she said she was going to bed," Inspector Seel said.
"The neighbour and her husband were over there, they left and then the wife came back."

Inspector Seel won't say why the neighbour came back, just that it was a personal matter. Police have yet to say what that personal matter was.

But Inspector Seel said there was no incident on Saturday night that caused the woman distress.

 

[ozazure]

Agreed. Do you think, in your theory of what may have happened that he he was in fact in Airey's Inlet Saturday night?




Some general questions/thoughts I have:

Has it been 100% confirmed that he was at the MCG for the grand final?
Tickets get scanned and there is cctv, then of course his phone would show as in the area for x amount of time... So have these things already been checked?

Has it been 100% confirmed that the kids were in his care from the grand final until they got to Airey's Inlet supposedly at 9am Sunday?

There are several permanent speed cameras along the highway between Melbourne and Geelong, but I think between Geelong and Airey's there aren't any permanent ones. Might have captured something if speeding was involved...

IF he did drive to Airey's Inlet that night, he could have avoided Geelong(and thus a whole lot of cameras) and gone via the ringroad out as far as the Torquay exit, which would then give a few options for getting through Torquay. There is the main Surf Coast Highway, Horsehoe Bend Road, and Ghazeepoore Road. Then onto Airey's Inlet.

There is also the option to keep going along the ring road/Anglesea Road way to join with the Great Ocean Road, or the "back way" inland to get you to Airey's Inlet.
There is not one way in and out of Airey's inlet, there are many combinations of roads, and many ways one could drive to get there. I don't even know them all myself. (I am in the region but not local to Airey's Inlet).

Maybe the dog was put somewhere until it was mysteriously found in another yard...
Maybe it was purposely let out, or taken a great distance and found it's way back..
Maybe it tried to get back into it's own yard but couldn't so then wandered...

If someone was a "trusted contact" they would have access to her fb account.

If they had her phone, it is possible her fb and other social media/emails/messages were accessible, but sometimes a password is required to deactivate a fb account.

If she has a smartphone(i think she did personally) she may not have had a thumbprint unlock, may not have had it locked at all, or someone may have known her passcode/unlock pattern. (my kids know mine because they like to play games).


If she had an iphone, she may have still had "recent locations" enabled on her phone, if so this would be another way to see where her phone was as Apple constantly tracks the phone unless you turn this function off.


There are many people who would have no problem leaving a 12 yr old in charge of younger children. Especially if all were asleep.

It is possible that someone else had the kids after the game that night?

It is possible that a random stranger happened upon her and is involved. The Surf Coast region is full of tourists at this time of year and through summer. People will sleep on nature strips in tents and cars, and even in the sand dunes and bushes along the beaches.

I feel it is very "convenient" that it has come out there were "problems in the marriage"...


Just my opinion ��

It is very convenient that the last person to see her is the one claiming the marriage problems, as it appears to go.

I am sure if you tried you could use only back roads to get from Melbourne to AI - but the ring road has cameras. You'd still be on CCTV somewhere but 5 days in they aren't going to have that yet I imagine. It is a good 2 hours from SH to AI using the main roads. She was last seen at 1030 and he was there at 9am. I mean - I guess he could have been on the road before she was last seen to give him some extra time but come on, really? 6+ hours of driving, with no clue from the children that dad was MIA, in a 12 hour window?

I really am surprised that everyone is pointing the finger at the husband based purely on him being the husband. Poor bugger.

The grand final is a really big deal. He had three children with him. The siren doesn't go at 530 and you are home at 6 for dinner. I think the police would know PDQ if those kids hadn't actually been to the GF.

 

[bearbear]

maybe she was tired or upset from talking about the personal issue or tipsy and the neighbour helped her up to bed,and left, maybe they dont lock their doors in that area?
feel so sorry for the dog it seems traumatised and most likely saw her likely death