Well, I for one am still really interested in how Gary ended up down that unusual, hard to reach, and well-hidden part of cliff. There is a lot, lot more to this story IMO.
I think FigTree has raised a really good and valid point that we should pay attention to. How did this end up being the biggest search ever conducted in the Blue Mountains? What made this so special?
I think that Pablos may have been full of *advertiser censored*. Maybe Gary:
a) Was going to purchase much, much more than 2.5g of cocaine, hence the incentive for Pablos to drive to the Blue Mountains. Pablos may have pulled that number out of a hat, being well-versed in the quantities that can lead to not much of a legal punishment, and the quantities that can lead to a very significant legal punishment. And, if this was the case, a great amount of money may have been involved (and be missing)
b) Was playing both sides buying drugs from Pablos while quietly helping police with their inquiries in relation to Pablos dealing large quantities of drugs around Sydney. This can happen if a person (Gary) was caught on a minor drug charge and told he could get out of it if he assisted police catch a bigger fish
c) Was seeking locals suppliers, maybe not to buy from them but maybe to sell to them, with drugs from Pablos (remember, he was supposedly already off his face, or acting that way he may have brought enough stuff with him to take care of any personal wants).
This was THE LARGEST SEARCH EVER. Why??
Item b) above would be one answer. Police were afraid for Garys life after learning that Pablos number was recently dialled/received on Garys phone, learning that an imminent arrest was scheduled for Pablos in relation to the sale of large quantities of drugs (and maybe Pablos had been involved in drug-related violence before), learning that Pablos had been to the Blue Mountains that night, learning that Gary had been on his own out there waiting for Pablos, Anika ringing them to say please, please search for Gary now hes in danger.
David Tweddles words ring in my ears
I love you unconditionally (no matter what youve got yourself mixed up in)
Im never going back there (because police accused his son of dealing drugs yes, procuring drugs for friends is dealing and suggested he may be involved in bigger things, and he was outraged at the accusations)
There is something much more to this. What is it?
Good points Xantara .. but I'm still not convinced (and may never be) that Gary had any drugged or sober reason to wander off a cliff in that particular spot, especially now that I know there was a large-quantity drug dealer in the picture (one who was coincidentially arrested two short weeks after Gary went missing) ... driving a 3-hour round trip for a 2-minute, relatively small-change drop.
If Gary was found off a more accessible cliff, that would be easier for me to explain away. If his colleagues (and Pablos) didn't have such a darn good reason to cover their own arses, I could understand more. If Gary wasn't seen on Watkins Road, so close to the Farimont, where he could just turn around and walk back the way he came ....
There is not just one (or two) things that don't make any sense - to me there are an absolute multitude of things that don't add up.
And I know many people keep saying 'but drugs were involved - it doesn't have to make sense'. Yes it does ... even in a messed up, drug-related way ... it needs to make messed up, drug-related sense IMO.
I must confess, that the more I think about the Pablos issue, my mind is starting to turn and possibly canvas other scenarios too, a la South Aussie.
For starters, the claim that the two 'lost contact' and did not meet up sounds lame and suss. As has previously been observed in this thread, Gary must have left the Fairmont and ran out of it for some reason - supposition would be that Pablos was close. Why else would Gary be standing on watkins rd and waving at cars?
The biggest mystery is why he ended up in the bush. And why was he running and jumping? Was he being chased? Was he trying to hide? One report from his mates indicated that he was begging them to stay on the phone. The weekend's msm refer to that same call as Gary sounding distressed. He was looking for lights on the hill, so he didnt seem to want to be in the bush. Im beginning to think he might have been chased or was trying to hide for some reason...
Just checked it is pambos not pablos
IMO it makes sense. He was off his face, he got lost, thought he was a 'Bear Grylls' or whatever, took the wrong turn down that street and ended up off the cliff. Very sad, very sorry for his family. Don't take back what I said about people risking their lives in the search. Of course they will/did do it. It's in the nature.
Lifesavers do it every day when tourists hurl themselves into the surf at Bondi and are non-swimmers. Idiots go bushwalking without proper equipment and supplies and have to be searched for. Others go off on yachts again without proper equipment. Doesn't take away the imbalance in the situation when one has to risk their own life due to another's stupidity. Not having a go at this victim or his family, just generally commenting. Of course I'm glad he was found, his family have closure, he deserved a decent burial.
As to Mr CP the dealer, the least said about him probably the better. He's been charged so is before the courts now. Will keep an eye on the lists. :twocents:
Well, you're not alone LB.
But when you study where Gary was found .. 2km from where he was sighted waiting for his dealer, in an inaccessible area, with a lot of trees/shrubs/scrub to get through in the dark cold winter's night, dressed in shirtsleeves, after midnight, with absolutely no reason to be anywhere near there .. I just can't relate that to stupid accidents while bushwalking, or yachting, or swimming in rough surf.
Maybe they were?
:dunno:
Some very lateral thoughts there SouthAussie well worth exploring (but for now I need to sleep because yet again this case has my mind buzzing all over again). I will say though that the sense of urgency only hours after Gary was reported missing was incredible - never have we had services knock on our doors and request to do a ground search whilst calling out Gary's name - "Gary are you there?" etc. This happened a few times over the first couple of days - it was very odd indeed like Gary was hiding or taking refuge.
Sure.... there were indications it had been mentioned due to the strategies eg. asking folk to check under their houses and verandas (or such), suggestions he was perhaps wandering eg SES checking peoples gardens far away from Fairmont.
It did occur to me as SES were checking peoples back yards..... what would have transpired if people had said 'no' to having their property searched? I presume it was voluntary.
I'll also point out again (did so back in thread 1 or 2) that Gary's "MISSING PERSON" posters were up everywhere very early on the next morning. There was definitely a sense of URGENCY that he be found or that any information be relayed to CRIME STOPPERS asap. We were rather surprised that it was so quickly a case for CRIME STOPPERS but then again I'm not sure what the standard procedures are in NSW for "Missing Persons." I'd say given what has been revealed this week that the police knew from Gary's colleagues pretty early on that there was a drug deal going on that night and that's why Gary had left the Hotel.
Whilst I don't know how the NSW Police Force operates I did find it interesting that Blue Mountains Police made the arrest of Pambos in Sydney - they must have been watching him for a while and waiting for a BIG enough bust to put him away. "Blue Mountains police arrested Mr Pambos after he allegedly supplied more than $30,000 of cocaine and $800 worth of MDMA in Sydney on August 2."
Yes...property checking was voluntary. I imagine a lot of older people or single households would have felt quite reluctant & intruded upon when 3-4 big SES fellas rock up at your front door asking to search your property for a missing man without giving out any details. I said "no" the 2nd time they came as I have animals so therefore I did the check myself.
I'll also point out again (did so back in thread 1 or 2) that Gary's "MISSING PERSON" posters were up everywhere very early on the next morning. There was definitely a sense of URGENCY that he be found or that any information be relayed to CRIME STOPPERS asap. We were rather surprised that it was so quickly a case for CRIME STOPPERS but then again I'm not sure what the standard procedures are in NSW for "Missing Persons." I'd say given what has been revealed this week that the police knew from Gary's colleagues pretty early on that there was a drug deal going on that night and that's why Gary had left the Hotel.
If the dealer (who was known to Gary) was not familiar with the area or if he didn't want to take the 3 hour round trip late on a cold winters night to drop off the drugs then he could quite possibly have sent someone else to do the exchange and that's why he and Gary never "met up" that night.
Gary could quite well have jumped in the car with the designated dealer at Watkins Rd and driven straight out along Sublime Pt Rd. He may have tested the goods out there and then gone "off" running through the bush and down to the area he was finally retrieved from.
Whose to say there was any physical cash exchange - now days with mobile phones you can tap them together to transfer funds between one user and another. There's also direct deposit, paypal etc etc. Either way the Police would see if there had been any large withdrawals from any of Gary's accounts or the work colleagues accounts in any format.
Whilst I don't know how the NSW Police Force operates I did find it interesting that Blue Mountains Police made the arrest of Pambos in Sydney - they must have been watching him for a while and waiting for a BIG enough bust to put him away. "Blue Mountains police arrested Mr Pambos after he allegedly supplied more than $30,000 of cocaine and $800 worth of MDMA in Sydney on August 2."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cocaine-a...s-fatal-end-20130928-2ul59.html#ixzz2gQ7d6Doh
Like if he had argued with someone and ran from the resort?
I need to word this carefully, as I'm not accusing anyone, just putting forward a scenario which would tie up a few loose ends.
What if someone had been in a fight or an argument and had ended up being killed accidently -say a punch which caused them to knock their head on the ground. Or they were accidently hit by a car and killed. The person or people involved would need to cover it up. They put the body over a cliff, or dump it in the bush ...... then need to explain that person's absence.
So, they say he has gone for a walk in the bush, and got lost. Perfect. Unlikely that the body would ever get found (unless by some twist of fate it gets lodged on a tree!). But even if the body is found, it has all previously been explained - as they've already said he was lost in the bush. No one will be surprised is someone is found dead after a night exposed in the cold. If the body never gets found, well its lost in the bush.
No one is suspicious, because right from the start, witnesses have said the missing person went off, on their own accord, into the bush ...... well, maybe a couple of WS members might be!
All comes down to that 17 minute phone call ..... all that can be proven is that Gary's phone was used for 17 minutes. Not necessarily by him. Maybe Gary's mobile was used by someone who was with him at the time, and needed to call mates for assistance. Records would show that "Gary" had called his colleagues ...... well that's the conclusion people would jump to. What if someone else had used it to call Gary's colleagues, how would anyone know? Especially if they all said they had spoken to Gary.
There was a sense or urgency, perhaps partly due to the weather predicted to turn colder.
I think that is a very possible scenario Indigo, including re- GT testing the stuff but then why was no stuff 'items' found on him. Had he been robbed and not handed drugs to take back?
(also wonder if CP's marketing business could have been the route for monies)
There would also (imo) have been visible scratches on anyone who went through that dense bushland near to where Gary was located. Maybe he was put there later as has been previously suggested!
Thankyou Figment!! Just processing all this information now - wow!
Partying: Gary Tweddle, left, on a night out. Photo: Supplied
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