GUILTY Australia - Jamie Gao, 20, murdered, Padstow, NSW, 20 May 2014

[Amee]

Detectives are hunting for two mysterious Hong Kong nationals believed to have fled the country after accompanying Jamie Gao to the meeting that led to his death.

Police believe the two young men hold vital clues as to why the drug-dealing business student was allegedly meeting with ex-cops Roger Rogerson and Glen McNamara on Tuesday last week.

http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...y-jamie-gao-says/story-fncynjr2-1226936389924

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm starting to think whoever Jamie was working for, or whoever supplied him the drugs is the one who wanted him dead. For some reason he hired 'The Dodgy Brothers' to do it, and they just look like they tried to steal some drugs off a naive kid.

ETA: Looks like police know who these guys 'friends' are.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Why kill Gao though - they could have taken the drugs without killing him. They could have ruffled his feathers enough for him to go underground - but to kill him was something else. Did Gao work for Rogerson and McNamara?
I can see them punishing one of their own - but to take out someone from another syndicate would be upping the anti.

I cant see RR and McNamara working for those 'friends' of Gao's - but I can see those friends working for RR & McNamara.
I think the friends set Gao up on behalf of RR and McNamara - and were told to go back and get rid of the car. Otherwise why would they have moved it at all after the fact if they thought Gao was alive and coming back to get his own car. Sounds like they knew Gao was dead. Did they find out from RR and McNamara that the job was done so 'get rid of the car'.

Having a plastic lined storage unit ready beforehand says it was planned. And to have the gall to come back and clean it up seems to me that they felt fairly secure enough that it was business as usual - or that their as*es were covered already.
Actually it almost seems that they felt that their as*es were covered the entire time of this crime.
There has to be more people involved in this than just Dodgy Roger and McNamara.

Same with taking out McNamara's boat to Cronulla to dump the body at sea. That's brazen.

Why leave $3mil worth of drugs in the back of the car? For a pickup?

If there was forewarning about the Auburn bust through the channels - then there is a leak in the system.

I think Jamie was killed because he was an informant, IMO. He might have provided the info for the drug bust. Roger Dodger and McNamara could have been tipped off about Jamie, and in drug world, being a snitch=death.
Alternate theory: Jamie was killed so he wouldn't tell what he knew about his drug bosses in exchange for dropping the kidnapping charges.
I really don't know. Just adding my
:twocents:.

 

[Ausgirl]

I'm starting to think whoever Jamie was working for, or whoever supplied him the drugs is the one who wanted him dead. For some reason he hired 'The Dodgy Brothers' to do it, and they just look like they tried to steal some drugs off a naive kid.

ETA: Looks like police know who these guys 'friends' are.

Wrong thread to laugh in, but bahaha 'Dodgy Brothers', I loved that show...


I think the 2 asian guys moving the car, and the pre-prepared tarp are proof enough that Jamie was set up (I had a gut feeling he was..) and was sent there to die.

By who? And why? -- are my questions, now.

I don't think the huge ice bust is any kind of coincidence. No way, no how.

Also, I bet there's more than one crooked drug cop holding onto his *advertiser censored* with both hands this week.

As for the Dodgies being brazen -- the original of 'brazen' is 'brass'. I think that's very apt. They are not stupid men, look at their careers, why aren't they in prison forever? Because they are not stupid. IMO they felt invulnerable, for a reason.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

http://youtu.be/9dmhPgUJvnE

God, right down to the bad suits and dodgy hit man abilities hey! HAHA!!

So agree about crooked detectives, this case STINKS!!

 

[Amee]

Mr Gao’s mobile phone allegedly contained former Kings Cross detective McNamara’s number. :facepalm:

http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...y-jamie-gao-says/story-fncynjr2-1226936389924


McNamara was allegedly captured on CCTV footage using a Telstra public payphone to call Mr Gao, who drove from his Hurstville home to the meeting on Arab St, Padstow.

http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...police-informant/story-fncynjr2-1226933844864

 

[Brightbird]

This article has a different theory on the two guys who moved the car. I don't think it's odd that Jamie left his in wallet and keys in the car while carrying out the drug deal. For one, he didn't really need them if the "friends" were waiting with the car. Second, it's kind of better not to take valuables with you to meetings with dodgy people.


http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...y-jamie-gao-says/story-fncynjr2-1226936389924

While it is alleged Gao was shot dead within 10 minutes of walking with Rogerson, 73, and McNamara, 55, into unit 803 at the nearby Rent-A-Space storage block, his two Hong Kong friends waited at the car for him for about an hour.

“It seems as though they did not know what was going to happen,” a police source said.

The two Hong Kong men drove around in Gao’s car before dumping it with his wallet and mobile phone inside.

 

[Brightbird]

Mr Gao’s mobile phone allegedly contained former Kings Cross detective McNamara’s number. :facepalm:

http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...y-jamie-gao-says/story-fncynjr2-1226936389924


McNamara was allegedly captured on CCTV footage using a Telstra public payphone to call Mr Gao, who drove from his Hurstville home to the meeting on Arab St, Padstow.

http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...police-informant/story-fncynjr2-1226933844864

That would suggest they were just ignorant to the CCTV around these days. He goes to a pay phone to make the call untraceable. But he calls a mobile phone which police then used to trace the call back to the phone box, and then they get CCTV footage of him making the call :facepalm:

 

[Amee]

This article has a different theory on the two guys who moved the car. I don't think it's odd that Jamie left his in wallet and keys in the car while carrying out the drug deal. For one, he didn't really need them if the "friends" were waiting with the car. Second, it's kind of better not to take valuables with you to meetings with dodgy people.


http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...y-jamie-gao-says/story-fncynjr2-1226936389924

With this new info regarding Jamies phone, wallet and keys left in his car has emerged, no it doesnt seem strange.

This link from 26th made it seem odd to me.

Mr Gao's Nissan Sylvia sedan was found abandoned near to the spot where he was last seen.

His mobile phone, keys and wallet were also found nearby.

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...udent-kidnapped-in-sydney#oPLi8MO7T6MjQ6o3.99,

 

[pukasonqo2]

haven't check if this is online but either on channel 9 or 7 the news were reporting that jamie gao was a police informant, if this info is true then it gives a motive for his killing


lupus est homini *advertiser censored*, non *advertiser censored*, non quom qualis sit novit

 

[FigTree]

Mr Gao’s mobile phone allegedly contained former Kings Cross detective McNamara’s number. :facepalm:

http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...y-jamie-gao-says/story-fncynjr2-1226936389924


McNamara was allegedly captured on CCTV footage using a Telstra public payphone to call Mr Gao, who drove from his Hurstville home to the meeting on Arab St, Padstow.

http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...police-informant/story-fncynjr2-1226933844864

hmmm - that says to me that Gao was personally in contact with Team Dodgy Brothers - but the msm doesn't say if the phone number was a saved number in Contacts or if it was in Gao's phone because McNamara had contacted him at some other time (excluding the Telstra payphone call).
Having McNamaras phone number in his phone though creates a link - Gao was known to MCNamara.

 

[FigTree]

CCTV Of Missing Student | 9 News Sydney - YouTube


Sorry to repost this video - but I'd like your opinion...
I have been looking over the CCTV footage, and have to ask a few questions about it... is it CCTV? Where's the date and time stamp? Why is it in colour?
Why does it pan, zoom and shudder/bump? Why isn't it in letterbox format.

The video footage follows a specific person down the street - it pans right to follow the man with the bag - it zooms in as he moves further away from the camera - there is a wobble then the frame stabilizes - then the frame zooms out to return to focus on to the 2 people at the car - and pans again slightly to follow the man who walk across the road.

What kind of CCTV installation is that for a Meat Shop - their chops must be bl**dy expensive!
:waitasec:

Maybe the cops knew that there was a handover taking place - just not a murder to follow.
Why was this footage released to the public?
I know they are saying that Gao wasn't working for the Police - he may not have been - but was any Law Enforcement or Operations informed about where the handover would take place....


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[Brightbird]

Good points Figtree. Maybe the camera takes a wide shot and what we are being shown was edited by Channel 9 to hone in on the details? Iirc, the CCTV of Jill Meagher was in colour too and that was taken from a bridal shop. I was wondering how police could identify Rogerson's car from that footage.

 

[Brightbird]

So police are saying that they think the plan was to shoot Jamie and steal the drugs. If that's true, the stupidity is staggering.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/choice-of...e-gao-was-dumb-say-police-20140529-397a0.html

 

[Mrs G Norris]

If that's true, why weren't they concerned about whoever he was selling the drugs for?

 

[FigTree]

So police are saying that they think the plan was to shoot Jamie and steal the drugs. If that's true, the stupidity is staggering.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/choice-of...e-gao-was-dumb-say-police-20140529-397a0.html

The msm heading didnt go far enough...

Choice of storage unit to kill Jamie Gao was dumb, say police
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/choice-of...-say-police-20140529-397a0.html#ixzz33ATSqNjT

"He had told his friends a few times about meeting with a 'Glen'."
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Court documents will allege the former police officers brought a gun and a silver surfboard bag along to their meeting with Mr Gao.
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Several stunned police officers have said they cannot understand why anyone would choose a storage facility to commit such a brazen crime - a place littered with security cameras. "It was so dumb," one detective said.
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Beyond Dumb.
Why did they think they would get away with this to start with?
I cant wait to hear the excuses they come up with.

Did msm mention if the Police had retrieved the plastic from the Storage unit or any of the cleanup material they used to clean the storage facility?

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[sleepinoz]

I'd say this was the drug bust earlier on the day Jamie was killed:

https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/posts/10152212921456185

Detectives from State Crime Command’s Gangs Squad are continuing to investigate a large drug manufacturing operation, following the discovery of a clandestine laboratory north-west of Sydney.

Shortly before midday on Tuesday 20 May, investigators from the Gangs Squad executed a crime scene warrant at two properties in Cattai.

On the properties, police located a large clandestine laboratory, seizing more than 150 items associated with the manufacture of illicit drugs.

Items seized by police included:
- In excess of 200 litres of pre-cursor chemicals (liquid form);
- More than 160 kilograms of pre-cursor chemicals (tablet form);
- Approximately 5kg of a substance believed to be methylamphetamine (‘Ice’ and,
- Numerous funnels, flasks, hotplates, reaction vessels and other items used to manufacture prohibited drugs.

Two men – a 30-year-old from Bligh Park and a 32-year-old from Pitt Town – have been arrested and charged with numerous drug offences. Both are bail refused to appear at Penrith Local Court on 18 July 2014.

Detectives investigating the matter are encouraging anyone with information concerning the clan lab or any drug manufacturing operations in the Hawkesbury to contact Crime Stoppers.

Last year (2013), police located and shut down 115 clan labs. To date in 2014, police have located and shut down 35 clan labs.

Police are urging anyone with information about this incident to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or use the Crime Stoppers online reporting page: https://www1.police.nsw.gov.au/. Information you provide will be treated in the strictest of confidence. We remind people they should not report crime information via our Facebook and Twitter pages.

 

[FigTree]

If that's true, why weren't they concerned about whoever he was selling the drugs for?

Maybe the Police already know the main players.
I wonder if they have had any luck tracing the 2 men who were with Gao (who msm said they think have left the country).

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[FigTree]

I'd say this was the drug bust earlier on the day Jamie was killed:

https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/posts/10152212921456185

Detectives from State Crime Command’s Gangs Squad are continuing to investigate a large drug manufacturing operation, following the discovery of a clandestine laboratory north-west of Sydney.

Shortly before midday on Tuesday 20 May, investigators from the Gangs Squad executed a crime scene warrant at two properties in Cattai.

On the properties, police located a large clandestine laboratory, seizing more than 150 items associated with the manufacture of illicit drugs.

Items seized by police included:
- In excess of 200 litres of pre-cursor chemicals (liquid form);
- More than 160 kilograms of pre-cursor chemicals (tablet form);
- Approximately 5kg of a substance believed to be methylamphetamine (‘Ice’); and,
- Numerous funnels, flasks, hotplates, reaction vessels and other items used to manufacture prohibited drugs.

Two men – a 30-year-old from Bligh Park and a 32-year-old from Pitt Town – have been arrested and charged with numerous drug offences. Both are bail refused to appear at Penrith Local Court on 18 July 2014.

Detectives investigating the matter are encouraging anyone with information concerning the clan lab or any drug manufacturing operations in the Hawkesbury to contact Crime Stoppers.

Last year (2013), police located and shut down 115 clan labs. To date in 2014, police have located and shut down 35 clan labs.

Police are urging anyone with information about this incident to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or use the Crime Stoppers online reporting page: https://www1.police.nsw.gov.au/. Information you provide will be treated in the strictest of confidence. We remind people they should not report crime information via our Facebook and Twitter pages.

What I find interesting about that is, if there was an association between the drug bust and Gao's murder - How long before Gao was murdered was the Storage Unit fitted out with the plastic? Was it hours before or the day before, or after the bust?

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[Amee]

Around midday on Tuesday (20 May 2014), detectives from the State Crime Command’s Organised Crime Squad, with the assistance of specialist tactical police, seized 15 kilograms of pseudoephedrine and arrested seven people – six men and one woman – following an operation in Auburn.

The group, who were allegedly in possession of the 15 kilograms of pseudoephedrine, were taken to Auburn Police Station, where four of the men were charged with commercial drug supply offences.

The woman was taken to a detention centre in Villawood, while the two remaining men were released pending further inquiries.

The four men charged include:

A 24-year-old Berala man who was charged with large commercial drug supply;
A 22-year-old Merrylands man who was charged with large commercial drug supply;
A 23-year-old Auburn man who was charged with large commercial drug supply; and,
A 22-year-old Wentworth Point man who was charged with large commercial drug supply.

All were refused bail to appear in Burwood Local Court yesterday (Wednesday 21 May 2014), where they were again bail refused to reappear today (Thursday 22 May 2014).

At the first property in Auburn, detectives seized one ounce of methylamphetamine, three passports suspected of being counterfeit, half a kilogram of powder believed to be precursor drugs, mobile phones, cash and documents.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/m...vdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGMzc4MzMuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ==

while the two remaining men were released pending further inquiries.....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ate-running-Sydney-suburbs.html#ixzz333gERrMu