GUILTY Australia - Jamie Gao, 20, murdered, Padstow, NSW, 20 May 2014

[Mrs G Norris]

Maybe the Police already know the main players.
I wonder if they have had any luck tracing the 2 men who were with Gao (who msm said they think have left the country).

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Oh, I meant Rogerson and McNamara, wouldn't their security be threatened by whoever they stole the $3 million dollars worth of drugs from? Surely Jamie was working for someone else, and was expected to show up with a large bagful of money after the meeting? I'd assume you'd be more scared of them than you would be of an arrest?

So anyway, I guess that makes them incredibly stupid in all directions, stupid enough to shoot dead a courier with a larger more powerful group behind him who were now out of pocket, and also stupid enough to do the whole thing on CCTV which led police to your doorstep within a few days.

What I find interesting about that is, if there was an association between the drug bust and Gao's murder - How long before Gao was murdered was the Storage Unit fitted out with the plastic? Was it hours before or the day before, or after the bust?

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Oh god yeah, that's what I want to know, if they lined the shed with plastic upon hearing about the raid .. or if they did it beforehand?

 

[FigTree]

Oh, I meant Rogerson and McNamara, wouldn't their security be threatened by whoever they stole the $3 million dollars worth of drugs from? Surely Jamie was working for someone else, and was expected to show up with a large bagful of money after the meeting? I'd assume you'd be more scared of them than you would be of an arrest?

So anyway, I guess that makes them incredibly stupid in all directions, stupid enough to shoot dead a courier with a larger more powerful group behind him who were now out of pocket, and also stupid enough to do the whole thing on CCTV which led police to your doorstep within a few days.



Oh god yeah, that's what I want to know, if they lined the shed with plastic upon hearing about the raid .. or if they did it beforehand?

Another thought on this...
If the drugs did belong to someone else - why did McNamara leave them on the back seat of his car if they belonged to someone else? It seems really flippant. (Beyond being dumb) Even if they were there to be picked up by someone else (maybe - speculation).
With such a comedy of tragic errors - did the drugs already belong to RR & McNamara?

Where does the money for these drugs come in?

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[Brightbird]

115 labs busted year is like one every three days. I'm just not sure I really see a huge coincidence in these events happening on the same day. But I'm usually wrong so there probably is a link, lol.

Given the apparent stupidity we've seen so far, maybe RR and GM just thought Jamie was an informant but he wasn't. It would be just one more bungle in series of ever increasing bungles.

And yeah, one big question I have is what did they think Jamie's bosses would do? Did they even have the money? Stealing 3 million dollars and killing the courier has to be near the top of the list of ways to piss off drug bosses. Did they think their identities were hidden from them too? I guess they've been exposed now. Oops.

Idk, the whole thing is a bit too incredible to believe.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Another thought on this...
If the drugs did belong to someone else - why did McNamara leave them on the back seat of his car if they belonged to someone else? It seems really flippant. (Beyond being dumb) Even if they were there to be picked up by someone else (maybe - speculation).
With such a comedy of tragic errors - did the drugs already belong to RR & McNamara?

Where does the money for these drugs come in?

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Good question, would you really leave that amount of drugs on the backseat of your car, or was McNamara on the way to another delivery when he was picked up?

I am having a hard time taking this case at face value, I just can't see them ripping off a courier and killing him then not even bothering to flee the city, UNLESS of course they knew that Jamie had ZERO backup, and nobody was coming for the money or return of the drugs .. yes, maybe they were there's and the whole thing was a setup for some other reason.

Or they really are just incredibly greedy, shortsighted and stupid, and we've been giving them WAY too much credit

 

[sleepinoz]

Around midday on Tuesday (20 May 2014), detectives from the State Crime Command’s Organised Crime Squad, with the assistance of specialist tactical police, seized 15 kilograms of pseudoephedrine and arrested seven people – six men and one woman – following an operation in Auburn.

The group, who were allegedly in possession of the 15 kilograms of pseudoephedrine, were taken to Auburn Police Station, where four of the men were charged with commercial drug supply offences.

The woman was taken to a detention centre in Villawood, while the two remaining men were released pending further inquiries.

The four men charged include:

A 24-year-old Berala man who was charged with large commercial drug supply;
A 22-year-old Merrylands man who was charged with large commercial drug supply;
A 23-year-old Auburn man who was charged with large commercial drug supply; and,
A 22-year-old Wentworth Point man who was charged with large commercial drug supply.

All were refused bail to appear in Burwood Local Court yesterday (Wednesday 21 May 2014), where they were again bail refused to reappear today (Thursday 22 May 2014).

At the first property in Auburn, detectives seized one ounce of methylamphetamine, three passports suspected of being counterfeit, half a kilogram of powder believed to be precursor drugs, mobile phones, cash and documents.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/m...vdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGMzc4MzMuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ==

while the two remaining men were released pending further inquiries.....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ate-running-Sydney-suburbs.html#ixzz333gERrMu

They had a big day on the 20th May with this and the other bust - good for them.

 

[sleepinoz]

Another thought on this...
If the drugs did belong to someone else - why did McNamara leave them on the back seat of his car if they belonged to someone else? It seems really flippant. (Beyond being dumb) Even if they were there to be picked up by someone else (maybe - speculation).
With such a comedy of tragic errors - did the drugs already belong to RR & McNamara?

Where does the money for these drugs come in?

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Not only did he leave them on his backseat, but they weren't found until he was arrested on what Sunday? - Tuesday to Sunday and they're still on his backseat. - Beyond Belief

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm willing to believe that McNamara isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, he seems to have been extremely resentful about his time in the force, and completely unable to let it go, then he hooks up with Rogerson, probably their least favourite ex-member, considering the shame he heaped upon NSW Police, and then calls his business FUIPSU .. oh and starts working FOR Sydney's 'colourful characters' collecting money for them?

Blinded by bitterness?

OK thought, is it possible Jamie's boss owed someone a large amount of money and this is how they went about collecting it for them, or am I giving them too much credit again?

 

[they'll get you]

Oh, I meant Rogerson and McNamara, wouldn't their security be threatened by whoever they stole the $3 million dollars worth of drugs from? Surely Jamie was working for someone else, and was expected to show up with a large bagful of money after the meeting? I'd assume you'd be more scared of them than you would be of an arrest?

So anyway, I guess that makes them incredibly stupid in all directions, stupid enough to shoot dead a courier with a larger more powerful group behind him who were now out of pocket, and also stupid enough to do the whole thing on CCTV which led police to your doorstep within a few days.



Oh god yeah, that's what I want to know, if they lined the shed with plastic upon hearing about the raid .. or if they did it beforehand?

Rogerson and McNamara are lucky the police got to them first. The alternative would've been deadly.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Rogerson and McNamara are lucky the police got to them first. The alternative would've been deadly.

Jumping off your post....:seeya:
Let me be a 'dumb American' here.
What is the irony of FUIPSU ?
I might understand the FU part,
:wink: but what do the other letters stand for?? TIA

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Internal police security unit : m.smh.com.au/nsw/the-odd-couple-roger-rogerson-and-glen-mcnamaras-unlikely-alliance-20140527-391ph.html

It's a bitter reference to old enemies ..

 

[Suthrnqt]

Internal police security unit : m.smh.com.au/nsw/the-odd-couple-roger-rogerson-and-glen-mcnamaras-unlikely-alliance-20140527-391ph.html

It's a bitter reference to old enemies ..

Thanks for responding so quickly. I thought it was a slight to his former employers, but just couldn't figure it out. :blushing:

 

[FigTree]

Jumping off your post....:seeya:
Let me be a 'dumb American' here.
What is the irony of FUIPSU ?
I might understand the FU part,
:wink: but what do the other letters stand for?? TIA

I think you got the FU part is right - I think the rest is...
I'll Possibly Sh**t U

:angel:

 

[Suthrnqt]

I think you got the FU part is right - I think the rest is...
I'll Possibly Sh**t U

:angel:

:floorlaugh:

 

[sleepinoz]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-man-who-lived-for-and-wrote-about-crime-20140526-38zo4.html

Don't recall seeing this one -

The man who lived for and wrote about crime

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-man-w...about-crime-20140526-38zo4.html#ixzz33BZUbWGt

 

[Amee]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-man-who-lived-for-and-wrote-about-crime-20140526-38zo4.html

Don't recall seeing this one -

The man who lived for and wrote about crime

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-man-w...about-crime-20140526-38zo4.html#ixzz33BZUbWGt

Thanks Sleep havent seen this before. Im tempted to read his book

Glen Patrick McNamara declared in his 2010 book that he made ''no apologies'' for ''hunting down drug dealers''. :what:

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-man-w...about-crime-20140526-38zo4.html#ixzz33BdMGOjg

 

[montycooper]

Thanks for everyone's comments, just finished reading them all. This is an incredible case. I thought it was strange that, when the news bulletin came on about Jamie's disappearance, the police said 'he has not been seen since Tuesday, feared murdered'. I've never heard that from a missing person report. So, it seems that the police were on to this case from the start. I don't think RR and GM are stupid. Maybe they just got too confident, after getting away with God knows what year after year. What I couldn't believe was these two hardened ex-cops could't even manage to weigh the body down.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Maybe the problem is that we expect crims to be smarter than this, yes the murder caught on CCTV, letting a kid do a 3 million dollar deal alone with no backup, using your own name, car, surfboard cover etc smacks of unbelievable stupidity to the point of 'can this really be true!!', but maybe it's all just a whole bunch of really stupid people way over their heads and being caught out?

Dying to know who's drugs they were though!

 

[FigTree]

Thanks for everyone's comments, just finished reading them all. This is an incredible case. I thought it was strange that, when the news bulletin came on about Jamie's disappearance, the police said 'he has not been seen since Tuesday, feared murdered'. I've never heard that from a missing person report. So, it seems that the police were on to this case from the start. I don't think RR and GM are stupid. Maybe they just got too confident, after getting away with God knows what year after year. What I couldn't believe was these two hardened ex-cops could't even manage to weigh the body down.

I think this is going to be an interesting case because of the amount of Police involved...
2 ex-Police charged with murder - RR and McNamara
RR has an ex Police Lawyer
Police on the case
The Drug Operations..
ex Police turned Private Investigators commenting

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...police-informant/story-fni0xqrc-1226933844864
At the video in the link it mentions that RR & McNamara were writing a book together on corruption in the Force - I wonder who's hands that's in now.
McnNamara has already written a book on Police corruption
RR on the talk circuit touting his days as an ex detective bad boy days...

Its way too tangles for my liking.

 

[Amee]

Jamie wasnt shy or keeping a low profile to have a chat with staff of Micks Meats

On Monday detectives spent more than an hour inside Mick Meat’s on Arab Rd, where Gao was last seen getting out of his car, talking to staff.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...st-police-allege/story-fni0fee2-1226932647224

 

[Marg from Oz]

I'm pondering on the demise of these two buffoons. What has happened to Roger Rogerson? He was very quick witted, you couldn't trip him up. He had the ability to run the show and all would go along with him. Back in the 60's and 70's he was the Teflon Don of Sydney.
Have only heard of Glen McNamara in passing but he was supposed to be anti drugs.

Now the tarpaulin or plastic they had in the storage unit. I would think there was another reason for this. When cutting and packing they always use it to put the drugs on and weigh and pack. Hadn't heard of it being used to collect blood. That's why I don't think it was a planned killing.

There also must be another very unhappy person who hasn't been mentioned as being one of the players. The owner of the $3.000.000.00 drugs. I read somewhere in the thread that they were found in a white car. WHAT?? Who leaves that in an unattended car.

The Surprising thing is, they were still there. People of Sydney must be honest even if their police aren't.

So why would you kill someone in a drug deal and then leave the drugs behind. 3kg is a lot of little baggies

I'm surprised Jamie didn't have an off sider with him. I would imagine it would be protocol in any business to have two people count the money. That's a lot of paper to whish through unless they brought a counting machine with them.

The two Asian guys were perhaps the minders and when Jamie saw Rogerson on his crutches he became full of bravado and told them to wait at the car for him. They don't seem to know what was happening. Why didn't they take the 3kg with them when he didn't return?

This is not going to be any straight murder case. Police seem to know too much about it.
But being a few steps behind as it was being pulled off. Will there be more bodies to compensate for the 3million that is now lost to the investor? Everyone up the line expects to get paid...... The Drug business is such a dirty business. The money is never worth it. JMOO Death is just around the corner