Australia - JS, 32 y.o. man, charged w/ murder of 9 y.o. girl , Mt Wilson, 13 January 2022 #2

[purpleandgreen]

Yep, but it’s a vicious circle imo

How so?

 

[Andieinsyd]

Following the conversation with interest. I'm so puzzled as to what led someone to allegedly try to launch a boat at such a busy, city fringe boat ramp if they were trying to do what we suspect. Five Dock/Drummoyne are not remote places and as mentioned the traffic to get there is significant. Deciding that this would be a good place to go to commit a crime just doesn't make any sense. Someone messing around trying and failing to launch a boat would surely attract attention. It would have been (just) still daylight at the time this was alleged to have started, which makes it even more weird.
CM cause of death revealed as police appeal for information | 7NEWS

 

[Spiralscientist]

Maybe, but it looks to me like there's a figure under the tarpaulin beside the barrel. In which case the tarpaulin wouldn't be draped, it would be securely wrapped around the whole package.

To me the cylindrical ‘barrel’ doesn’t look like a normal sized barrel. It looks very narrow diameter. It looks like there is something beside it also covered in tarps. Maybe the sand bags.

 

[Rumination1]

Nope, usually it will be secured with a tie down strap as he has done. There's no need for extra straps as the load is secure. The bulge under the tarp is likely sandbags or just how the tarp has fallen when stopped (it would flap slightly but where it's tied down, not too much).

definitely looks like a barrel under a tarp to me

To me that is a barrel with something more odd shaped on top and with something at the base.

 

[deugirtni]

This highly published photo of when medics needed to be called for Mom's medical episode when police were trying to question her about her daughter's situation - this particular one is from DailyMailUK, but it appeared i numerous places... does this look like it was taken at Wildenstein?

 

[deugirtni]

These two photos of the ute towing the boat.. to me it looks like the tarp-covered 'barrel' is in the middle of the ute's 'tray', but in the other, to me it looks like the tarp-covered item is against the driver's side of the tray. Is this just the angle of the photography? or does it appear the item has changed position in between the two photos, or am I just seeing things?
Barrel in centre here?:

Barrel at side of tray here?:

 

[Awakening]

Whatever is under the blue tarp doesn't look like a barrel to me, I had made the assumption that the barrel is in the boat and that's why the boat cover remains on.

Under blue tarp I'm assuming sandbags. I would think easier to load sandbags into the back of the vehicle than haul them up the steps into the boat.

 

[bfew]

Barrel at side of tray here?:

Is that maybe a boat outboard motor under the blue tarp in the tray of the ute?

 

[JLZ]

I've been wondering if it's a motor for the boat.

 

[JLZ]

Is that maybe a boat outboard motor under the blue tarp in the tray of the ute?

Snap.

 

[Awakening]

Is that maybe a boat outboard motor under the blue tarp in the tray of the ute?

Ah yes, I think you are right. We have a boat and it could be a motor. He might have taken out the motor to fit the barrel into the boat.

That might explain his difficulty in getting the boat started too, if he'd been messing around taking it out of the boat and then driving around with it on the back of the car. Our motor is kind of suspended when it's on the boat, it's not sitting on the ground. And the tyres on a boat trailer are softer have more give. I imagine an engine sitting on the floor of the tray of the ute is getting bounced around a bit. Engines can be temperamental at the best of times.

 

[Awakening]

I have our boat in the driveway and a blue tarp in the garage. If it wasn't midnight I'd be tempted to see if I can recreate it!

 

[Awakening]

Is that maybe a boat outboard motor under the blue tarp in the tray of the ute?

Good detective work, now I see what looks like a brown barrel, I've marked it.

 

[Awakening]

So maybe he's taken the motor out because it got in his way when trying to haul the sandbags in there?

 

[MIG214222]

This highly published photo of when medics needed to be called for Mom's medical episode when police were trying to question her about her daughter's situation - this particular one is from DailyMailUK, but it appeared i numerous places... does this look like it was taken at Wildenstein?
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Hi @deugirtni,
Yes, from the DM, article: The missing evidence in CM's alleged murder as cops admit they have found NO blood, weapon or gunshot residue at luxury estate after schoolgirl was shot with 'small calibre rifle'- and her mother breaks her silence.
PUBLISHED: 11:10 AEDT, 26 January 2022 | UPDATED: 11:43 AEDT, 26 January 2022

The same photo, ©9News} is captioned, "KM (above) at Wildenstein after having a 'medical episode' has now left Katoomba Hospital and police say she is living in 'alternative accommodation' and has been formally interviewed."

 

[MissUnderstood]

To me that is a barrel with something more odd shaped on top and with something at the base.

when I think of a barrel my first thought is a 44 gallon drum. Maybe this is more like a compost bin? They can look kind of like a barrel. Do we know what the barrel is made of? If that hard plastic stuff, it could be blue and look like a tarp.

 

[they'll get you]

Admittedly I can’t see a motor on that boat but there is no way one man could lift that sized motor. Imo.

 

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[Wexford]

Following the conversation with interest. I'm so puzzled as to what led someone to allegedly try to launch a boat at such a busy, city fringe boat ramp if they were trying to do what we suspect. Five Dock/Drummoyne are not remote places and as mentioned the traffic to get there is significant. Deciding that this would be a good place to go to commit a crime just doesn't make any sense. Someone messing around trying and failing to launch a boat would surely attract attention. It would have been (just) still daylight at the time this was alleged to have started, which makes it even more weird.
CM cause of death revealed as police appeal for information | 7NEWS

I think most boat ramps are used at all times. Those who like to fish use them at different times depending on tide and what they are fishing for. Also many people live or stay on boats especially around the harbour so would use a tender to get back and forth. There are water taxis and boats that sell items (coffee, newspapers in the 'old days' and ice of the kind to chill drinks) that get around at all times. There are also places that are only accessible by boats like Rodd Island near Five Dock. I don't think it would be unusual to see boats being launched at any time of the day really at a busy boat ramp like that. And certainly not uncommon to see people trying to get a boat going, doing running repairs on the boat ramp. Boats and trailers are fickle things.