Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

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Borce had given Karen 850 bucks to pay the credit card. But his initial story he was home ALL day doing the bookkeeping. :p

What is it about the $850? I am wondering if when Karen logged on to her computer at 8:58am that morning.
Maybe the cost to fill up the Merc the night before was a whole lot more than she expected.
Petrol station included stay at the Casino perhaps? Or another "chargeable" station? :D
 
There was a period of 27 hours when Borce Ristevski did not try to contact his missing wife, the court heard.
Karen Ristevski's accused killer husband made up facts to cover tracks, court hears

WT? - he is such a big fibber. He said in that media appeal he had kept calling Karen's phone and it went to messages.
Silly me, for thinking there may have been one or two calls within the first 24 hours. :D
So he did not make one attempt to call or text Karen's phone before sitting down to dinner with the parents? o_O

Dinner at the parents??? Was it just SR and BR or were other family also in attendance.

When was that person seen coming out the bush with a shovel at night time?
 
WT? - he is such a big fibber. He said in that media appeal he had kept calling Karen's phone and it went to messages.
Silly me, for thinking there may have been one or two calls within the first 24 hours. :D
So he did not make one attempt to call or text Karen's phone before sitting down to dinner with the parents? o_O

Dinner at the parents??? Was it just SR and BR or were other family also in attendance.

When was that person seen coming out the bush with a shovel at night time?

What a Creep. A real actor.
Dinner at Parents, with his daughter, after.........:eek:
Surely they now know.
 
Was the midweek dinner at his mum’s a regular event or

1) was the dinner arranged while the carpet dried or the house was being cleaned or to get Sarah out of the house because it smelled of products or bleach?
2) was the dinner arranged to bide more time so Sarah wouldn’t find Karen missing?
3) was the dinner so that BR could connect with Sarah for closeness on his side of the family.
4) he knew Karen would not be home to cook.

What was he finking? The clock was ticking. Someone would miss Karen.
 
Was the midweek dinner at his mum’s a regular event or

1) was the dinner arranged while the carpet dried or the house was being cleaned or to get Sarah out of the house because it smelled of products or bleach?
2) was the dinner arranged to bide more time so Sarah wouldn’t find Karen missing?
3) was the dinner so that BR could connect with Sarah for closeness on his side of the family.
4) he knew Karen would not be home to cook.

What was he finking? The clock was ticking. Someone would miss Karen.

Yes, to all 4 questions.
Sarah is meant to be present tomorrow.
Let us hope, these questions may be answered for us.
 
WT? - he is such a big fibber. He said in that media appeal he had kept calling Karen's phone and it went to messages.
Silly me, for thinking there may have been one or two calls within the first 24 hours. :D
So he did not make one attempt to call or text Karen's phone before sitting down to dinner with the parents? o_O

Dinner at the parents??? Was it just SR and BR or were other family also in attendance.

When was that person seen coming out the bush with a shovel at night time?

Person with shovel: was it night?
If so, ?? later came out to cover body?????
Didn't shovel have soil remnants of area: ?? soil too hard to dig, or observer scared Creep away.

Didn't someone see 2 sus people, out there?
All my own 'thinking'/ remembering.
 
$1,494,114.00 in debt!

(Karen’s Insurance and super must be a motive)


But he said the couple had been in “serious” financial strife: Ms Ristevski’s Bella Bleu fashion boutique, at Watergardens shopping centre, had run up $326,114 in losses from 2012 to March 2016.

The couple also had racked up $82,000 in credit card debt, on top of a $750,000 mortgage and a redraw loan of $336,000.

“By June 2016, they had almost reached the maximum line of credit,” Mr Fisher said.


rebekah.cavanagh@news.com.au

Thank you soso.
 
$1,494,114.00 in debt!

(Karen’s Insurance and super must be a motive)


But he said the couple had been in “serious” financial strife: Ms Ristevski’s Bella Bleu fashion boutique, at Watergardens shopping centre, had run up $326,114 in losses from 2012 to March 2016.

The couple also had racked up $82,000 in credit card debt, on top of a $750,000 mortgage and a redraw loan of $336,000.

“By June 2016, they had almost reached the maximum line of credit,” Mr Fisher said.


rebekah.cavanagh@news.com.au

Thank you soso.

But there was $850 available, as BR remembers!!!!!!!!
 
$1,494,114.00 in debt!

(Karen’s Insurance and super must be a motive)


But he said the couple had been in “serious” financial strife: Ms Ristevski’s Bella Bleu fashion boutique, at Watergardens shopping centre, had run up $326,114 in losses from 2012 to March 2016.

The couple also had racked up $82,000 in credit card debt, on top of a $750,000 mortgage and a redraw loan of $336,000.

“By June 2016, they had almost reached the maximum line of credit,” Mr Fisher said.


rebekah.cavanagh@news.com.au

Has to be insurance tgy.
It would need to be one huge insurance, though.
 
Has to be insurance tgy.
It would need to be one huge insurance, though.

Yes soso that’s a huge debt. IIRC Allison Baden-Clay’s 2 life Insurances were close to $mil.

Karen worked many years so I’m thinking she had Superannuation and because of the business and debts she might have a hefty life Insurance policy.

Baden-Clay life insurance in limbo
 
Was the midweek dinner at his mum’s a regular event or

1) was the dinner arranged while the carpet dried or the house was being cleaned or to get Sarah out of the house because it smelled of products or bleach?
2) was the dinner arranged to bide more time so Sarah wouldn’t find Karen missing?
3) was the dinner so that BR could connect with Sarah for closeness on his side of the family.
4) he knew Karen would not be home to cook.

What was he finking? The clock was ticking. Someone would miss Karen.


Karen Ristevski's husband allegedly spent half an hour driving for Uber on the night his wife went missing.
Accused killer Borce Ristevski tried to drive for Uber on the afternoon his wife went missing – | Daily Mail Online

When was he out uber - ing with an app that wouldn't work?
That afternoon, night or not at all?
 
I’ve been fascinated by the following quote & initially assumed it was a case of bad wording. Then I saw it in multiple articles from different media sources, yet some said the same thing with slightly different wording. Perhaps it was a case of poor/inaccurate reporting, but after further thought, perhaps it isn’t.

Here is the quote : ‘Mr Fisher said the investigation of communications data concluded "the deceased and her mobile telephone were in the car the accused was driving".’

It can be found here : Karen Ristevski's accused killer husband made up facts to cover tracks, court hears

The part I found fascinating is that investigation of the communications data concluded that ‘the deceased and her mobile’ were in the car the accused was driving.

How can the data conclude that Karen was with her phone?

After much thought as to what particular phone sensors might be able to distinguish that, and also send their data out of the handset, I came up with nothing.

Then I realised that some devices people carry do interface with their phone & the data is sometimes broadcast out of the phone as part of the device’s app - specifically fitness devices like the Fitbit.

These devices use sensors to detect steps taken(by vibration), stairs climbed(with an altimeter), and more (sometimes even including the user’s pulse) and the device sends this data by Bluetooth to the user’s mobile phone. An app on the mobile phone then sends this data to a server which interfaces with a fitness website etc.

The broadcast of this data to server can be disabled, but it is enabled by default & disabling it results in some loss of device functionality.

If Karen was wearing such a device, it would send data to her her mobile phone, which would in turn regularly transmit some data to a server.

If Karen’s mobile phone is taken for a drive, but Karen (&and the device) don’t come along for the ride, her phone no longer receives a Bluetooth signal from the device & it stops sending data to the server.

If Karen’s mobile phone is taken for a drive, and her phone continues to send data from the device to the server, then Karen’s phone is within Bluetooth range (close proximity) of the device for the duration of that drive.

In the latter situation, given Borce’s phone was tracked along the same path with Karen’s phone(until he turned it off), we either believe that Borce drove with her body(still wearing Fitbit or similar) and phone in the car, or else we believe that after Karen went for a walk to clear her head, Borce drove Karen’s car & for some odd reason took both her phone & her Fitbit along for the ride...

For information about what these devices do & their phone apps then broadcast, check out How it works: We explain how your fitness tracker measures your daily steps or for further details, Google for ‘what data do fitness apps send’ sans quotes.

There have been murder convictions secured in the past where key parts of the evidence came from these devices.
 
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