GUILTY Australia - Lisa Harnum, 30, killed in 15-storey fall, Sydney, 30 July 2011 #1

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Wow ... six weeks after their engagement, Lisa was killed!! :(

She was well and truly in his control by the engagement IMO. See her black, very high necked outfit she was wearing in the engagement video? And her tightly pinned up hair? Not exactly outfitted in party style.
 
SouthAussie said:
Wow ... six weeks after their engagement, Lisa was killed!! :(

She was well and truly in his control by the engagement IMO. See her black, very high necked outfit she was wearing in the engagement video? And her tightly pinned up hair? Not exactly outfitted in party style.
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It was a surprise party though, maybe she didn't know to dress in party mode that night - and then again, maybe she was told to wear that :(.
I just feel so darn sorry for this lovely lady.
 
Court hears of Canadian beauty's life of loneliness before she died

November 16, 2013

"Mrs Harnum told the court during her evidence in the early days of the trial that her daughter returned home to Canada in late 2010 a shadow of her previously happier self.

"She told me he was always very controlling and wanted to always know where she was, what she was doing, who she was with, what she was wearing," Ms Harnum told the court.

She said during Lisa's short stay in Canada, Gittany almost constantly called and texted his partner much to her family's annoyance.

"We would be watching a movie and Simon would keep calling," she said. "It was family time, it was interrupted by him."
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Read more: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...died/story-fni0cx12-1226761675075#mm-breached
 
Some interesting reading for anyone interested. Even though it's an entirely different type of case, it's mostly about circumstantial evidence. I've bolded the last sentence.

application for review of conviction for murder

18 The case against the applicant was entirely circumstantial, relying on the following matters

19 The Crown said all of these fifteen circumstances were established by the evidence and supported guilt beyond reasonable doubt as the only rational inference to be drawn.

20 The applicant was convicted of murder and sentenced to a substantial term of imprisonment

Often enough, in a circumstantial case, there will be evidence of matters which, looked at in isolation from other evidence, would yield an inference compatible with innocence of the accused. But... a circumstantial case [is not] to be considered piecemeal.

http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action/pjudg?jgmtid=167558
 
There's also this one about the Keisha Weippart case. Kristi Abrahams apparently applied for a judge only trial but it was subsequently denied. It also contains quite a lot of eye openers regarding "The Internet and the right to a fair trial" (This "info" must have kept her lawyer's assistant VERY busy for weeks...lol )

Kristi Anne Abrahams Application for a trial by judge order

http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action/pjudg?jgmtid=165276
 
Read more: Who is Simon Gittany's new girlfriend Rachelle Louise?

NOVEMBER 16, 2013

"Evidence intended to be heard in the trial revealed the pair knew each other prior to Harnum's death and the three socialised together.

Gittany claimed that in early 2010 Ms Harnum "alighted" from a taxi the pair were travelling in that was still in motion.

Inside the cab with them were Louise and another man, George Karam, the NSW Supreme Court heard."

Attached image: Rachelle Louise pictured going back to court with members of the Gittany family Source: News Limited
 

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marlywings said:
Some interesting reading for anyone interested. Even though it's an entirely different type of case, it's mostly about circumstantial evidence. I've bolded the last sentence.

application for review of conviction for murder

18 The case against the applicant was entirely circumstantial, relying on the following matters

19 The Crown said all of these fifteen circumstances were established by the evidence and supported guilt beyond reasonable doubt as the only rational inference to be drawn.

20 The applicant was convicted of murder and sentenced to a substantial term of imprisonment

Often enough, in a circumstantial case, there will be evidence of matters which, looked at in isolation from other evidence, would yield an inference compatible with innocence of the accused. But... a circumstantial case [is not] to be considered piecemeal.

http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action/pjudg?jgmtid=167558
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18(j) was interesting - reminded me of another case which will be looked at in January.
 
I don't think that link worked - The article is from The Daily Telegraph and it is titled "Who is Simon Gittany's New Girlfriend Rachelle Louise".
 
Judge Judy I came to the same conclusion. I was surprised by how young she sounded in her mentality and attitude. It's also surprising that they have known each other for 5 years, it shows how private and hidden domestic abuse really is. IMO their relationship at the moment is based on SG playing the role of victim and RL as the rescuer -IMO (in reference to the 'drama triangle', or the 'triangle of dysfunction').
 
AND another thought spinning in my head......when it became known that the 'hidden hard drive' had been removed and taken to SG 's brother's house and then the 'IT' witness testified in court about the lack of content in that crucial 69 seconds, wouldn't that be enough for the Prosecutor or investigators to seize all computers owned by that 'IT' witness AND any computers in SG's current household for checking of their content, no matter how far into the case ? If there was evidence, even though it may have been deleted / destroyed, I wonder if it may have been copied somewhere else in the process ?
 
Even if they did seize everything I think SG would have made sure that any incriminating evidence was completely destroyed. <modsnip>
 
SouthAussie said:
Wow ... six weeks after their engagement, Lisa was killed!! :(

She was well and truly in his control by the engagement IMO. See her black, very high necked outfit she was wearing in the engagement video? And her tightly pinned up hair? Not exactly outfitted in party style.
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Thank you SouthAussie... I saw the video of the engagement and felt uncomfortable for Lisa. The whole body language was 'off'.

Now I'm thinking about overseas travel. I had to book airline tickets to see my Mum overseas in the last stages of her illness. The quickest and best price I could get was from 5-6 weeks from the date I booked.

Did he hear/watch Lisa booking the ticket? (Rhetorical question there). Did she pay for the ticket on HIS CREDIT CARD. I assume she didn't have her own credit as per his control.

The ticket I purchased had a flexible extendable departure date, which meant I could extend the departure for several weeks. Did he try to keep her here saying that the ticket could be extended just too buy time for his 'revenge'.

Moo

PS ICU, we all have dibs on KG1 :loveyou: But TheyWill... I thought you were a guy cooking bacon and eggs ready for GBC's 'roasting'.:blushing:
 
I didn't think she actually had purchased a ticket, but rather was discovered having 'looked into' purchasing one way air tickets. (probably through her google / on line searches) that SG was monitoring.

I also thought the wedding proposal looked uncomfortable. What choice did she have at that moment, at that venue, in front of an audience and being proposed to by assumably the person who organised the very party she was the focus of and was expected to go home with that night ? I can't see him as being very understanding had she politely rejected his proposal right at that moment. I couldn't help but watch and think, once he started with the spiel, that she may have been thinking 'Oh Nooooooo' ......
 
montycooper said:
Even if they did seize everything I think SG would have made sure that any incriminating evidence was completely destroyed. <modsnip>
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I wondered why that hard drive was never seized by Police - If it could have, it would have. but I agree - not a credible witness - and not a credible piece of evidence after its been examined or even touched by the brother of SG and their IT friend.

I'm still wondering if Ms Louise was going to take the stand - was that an assumption by the media? A stunt? Or did the Court decided that?
She was a friend of Lisa's- and now she is going out with SG who is on trial for Lisa's murder. Sorry - but Im not thinking that's a friend.
How could she have been considered a credible impartial witness too?
And I'd go as far as saying that if LH got out of a moving taxi with Rachael Loiuse in it - Lisa didn't trust her association with her 'friend' either.
Im not seeing that LH told RL that she was leaving SG

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JudgeJudy said:
I didn't think she actually had purchased a ticket, but rather was discovered having 'looked into' purchasing one way air tickets. (probably through her google / on line searches) that SG was monitoring.

I also thought the wedding proposal looked uncomfortable. What choice did she have at that moment, at that venue, in front of an audience and being proposed to by assumably the person who organised the very party she was the focus of and was expected to go home with that night ? I can't see him as being very understanding had she politely rejected his proposal right at that moment. I couldn't help but watch and think, once he started with the spiel, that she may have been thinking 'Oh Nooooooo' ......
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JudgeJudy :seeya: I have experience of booking airline tickets from Australia in a jiffy and that is why the six week timeline gives me a red light flag to his timed proposal. But I could be wrong.

Why I could be wrong is that she stashed clothes all over town with different people. That looks like she was leaving him and staying locally.

Moo
 
Who is Simon Gittany's new girlfriend Rachelle Louise?

by: BRENDEN HILLS
From: The Sunday Telegraph
November 16, 2013 9:30PM

RACHELLE Louise socialised with Simon Gittany and Lisa Harnum before he was accused of murdering the Canadian-born ballerina.

Gittany claimed that in early 2010 Ms Harnum "alighted" from a taxi the pair were travelling in that was still in motion. Inside the cab with them were Louise and another man, George Karam, the NSW Supreme Court heard.
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-rachelle-louise/story-fnii5s40-1226761685742

Was it the plan of the Defence to put RL on the witness stand to testify that Lisa tried to jump out of the taxi while it was still moving? RL would then have been open to cross-examination by the prosecution, who I imagine would have asked RL what were the circumstances leading up to Lisa's exit from the taxi. I would really love to know the answer to that one!
 
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/11/13/18/46/harnum-feared-for-her-life-court

Hi FLINDERS - In this article it states : "On the morning of her death, Gittany then discovered Ms Harnum had looked up a one-way flight home, the court heard".

(I hope the link works).

There is no mention (that I have read) that states she actually purchased a ticket, but it certainly looked like she was making preparations to get away.
 
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