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I can’t see if this particular snippet has been discussed here. Apologies if it has.
This is from the local news website in Rye, UK, in april 2022 between inquest dates.

“In the meantime, Rye News has been contacted by an individual laying claim to the $250,000 reward money. This person confirmed she has submitted a name to the court, that of a Rye man, as a possible suspect, and in addition, the details of a former bank employee put forward as a person of interest.”

I can’t recall any mention of this at the subsequent inquest days but am I just forgetting in all that has been discussed? Missing Marion, links to Rye - Rye News
I often see people on here wondering if anyone in the UK recalls the players in this story.
 
StillDiggin said:
www.theguardian.com

Searching for Marion Barter: a daughter’s 25-year quest to find her missing mother

This year’s coronial inquest into the case has revealed more shocking detail. For those of us who have spent years looking for answers, it has been confronting and baffling
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Heartbreaking reading this.
It's a well written piece and puts such a light on this lowlife of a human being.

Hopefully, someone who knows him well will grow a spine and contact crime stoppers!
 
KathPlumber said:
I can’t see if this particular snippet has been discussed here. Apologies if it has.
This is from the local news website in Rye, UK, in april 2022 between inquest dates.

“In the meantime, Rye News has been contacted by an individual laying claim to the $250,000 reward money. This person confirmed she has submitted a name to the court, that of a Rye man, as a possible suspect, and in addition, the details of a former bank employee put forward as a person of interest.”

I can’t recall any mention of this at the subsequent inquest days but am I just forgetting in all that has been discussed? Missing Marion, links to Rye - Rye News
I often see people on here wondering if anyone in the UK recalls the players in this story.
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Yes MBFB page said that this woman who reckons she knows who killed MB they are well aware of and a police nuisance.
 
Just trying to get the facts with these dates now Joni has set about posting years they were in Midway Point.


1987 Woodenbong - Diane claimed they purchased a house at Woodenbong using her inheritance and lived there 1988 to 1990

1990 - Built a house at Goonellabah NSW

1992 November - Midway Point Tasmania - sells the new home and moves to Tasmania - -the given reason was that she had an uncle who lived there and it was a cooler climate.
( Couldn't have been November going on the latest post by J looking for info on Blums)

( SO WEIRD! Builds a house then moves to another State for 2 yrs - THESE PENSIONS THEY ARE ON MUST BE A GOLD MINE :p )

From Joni: I am trying to locate Frederick (Ric) & Diane de Hedervary who lived at 1 Beach road, Midway Point from 1990 - 1992

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1 Beach Road is a property in Midway Point TAS 7171

1 Beach Road, Midway Point TAS 7171 | Allhomes

1 Beach Road is a property in Midway Point TAS 7171. View more about this property and browse similar listings in Midway Point on Allhomes.com.au.
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6 Jan 1990 - sold for 84,500

25 feb 1992 - sold for $83,200

Lost money on a fast sale it seems!!?
 
mishy66 said:
Just trying to get the facts with these dates now Joni has set about posting years they were in Midway Point.

From Joni: I am trying to locate Frederick (Ric) & Diane de Hedervary who lived at 1 Beach road, Midway Point from 1990 - 1992
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Where are you seeing these questions and posts from Joni? Not seeing them on the MPMB FB page.
 
@mishy66 I like the quote from PERSONA podcast. I've listened to many scammer podcasts, including that one, which is excellent. Gilbert Chikli, its subject, is a creative and daring mastermind of fraud. And RB? I've wondered if most of his crimes were created on the fly. ie He starts an affair like a , enjoys telling lies, enjoys cheating on his wife, finds weaknesses, begins to see a way to take advantage, then cooks up a plan. OR does he start with a plan and search for the perfect victim? I tend to think the first. Love to know what you all think.

(Chikli prides himself on only rich people being affected by his fraud and no one ever being hurt by it, physically. That's what makes me wonder if Marion's death was unplanned and spontaneous, because RB is a bumbler, in life and in fraud.)
 
Sorry to run on. . . but to carry on my train of thought. If RB is a bumbler, this could be why few have come forward. He's no Hamish. Because RB is forgettable or more annoying than dangerous. A nothing man occasionally who gets in over his head.
 
MrsEmmaPeel said:
@mishy66 I like the quote from PERSONA podcast. I've listened to many scammer podcasts, including that one, which is excellent. Gilbert Chikli, its subject, is a creative and daring mastermind of fraud. And RB? I've wondered if most of his crimes were created on the fly. ie He starts an affair like a , enjoys telling lies, enjoys cheating on his wife, finds weaknesses, begins to see a way to take advantage, then cooks up a plan. OR does he start with a plan and search for the perfect victim? I tend to think the first. Love to know what you all think.

(Chikli prides himself on only rich people being affected by his fraud and no one ever being hurt by it, physically. That's what makes me wonder if Marion's death was unplanned and spontaneous, because RB is a bumbler, in life and in fraud.)
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Love your thinking. Could be exactly what he does!

He did tell the love of his life he worked as a "Special Agent" - He got that part right, a "Special Lying Agent' :rolleyes:

I am going with they meet 1980 and the affair was still going when the DeHs lived in Tasmania 1990 -92 - this is the reason that DeH and son D return to Aust in the Jan of 1981 - she found out about the affair and came home - then he wooed her back just in time for M birth April 1981.

Monique tells the affair only lasted 2 yrs, yet they met in 1980s and he is still writing her love letters in 1992 ( she divorces the real FR about 1986) - MC is another one with more cards to be investigated. IMO

Personally I dont think he is the bumbling man we all saw at the inquest, that is just another ruse. If he comes across as a bumbling old fool then the Questioning might stop by the sharp AC.

No, this man is a vulture, as sharp as a tack, lying psychopath who perfected his skills reading copious books as he grew into the pig we see today.
He started back in his youth stealing from the hard workers he came across - we have all seen the newspaper articles, the reports where he steals from businesses and galleries but his real life of crime was when he started up Renov Pubs with his three aliases ( possibly the business plan for fake /die cast stamps to be sold abroad), marrying IK to gain residency into Australia ( although for some reason he / they left shy of the 12 mths required - nearly caught out perhaps?) and then set himself up again in Aust under a new name, a safety net, marrying a woman whos family had money and continued his life of crime OS.

I do think he was very wealthy at some point when all the cards were lining up in his favour - I am still going with some sort of Ponzi scheme until it all went south and he started swindling women to recoup the coin.


Renov Pubs is the key holder to exactly what he does and what he owns abroad IMO.
That company setup, while it may not be a 'real' company, it is a valuable one to him for some reason.
Prior to the inquest he held it under his 3 aliases, Blum, DeHedervary and Willy Coppenolle.
Now it is just his current Name Blum, although you can still find DeHedervary in some searches but Willy C is gone.

I have to ask myself WHY is it he protects the other 2 names? Why remove them when everyone knew they were on there at the start? IS he protecting someone? Is he distancing himself from someone?
The only time we know of so far where he used the name Willy C was when he started up Rnov Pubs in 1968 and when he
got his new passport in 2011 which was associated with his new Commonwealth Bank account at Pacific Fair Broad Beach.

He is as sharp as a tack. It is how he has led his life of crimes for the past 70 odd yrs, staying ahead of everyone, until he came up against Sally L and that was when his life was blown apart.
 
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as always @mishy66 you sum up the case perfectly, and yes, I think you're right when looking at his criminal past. He is a mastermind, yet we may be missing the full extent of what he's created over the years. A multi-tasker, equal-opportunity criminal? Who scams in all kinds of ways. Thanks for the reply.
 
TootsieFootsie said:
I'm just surprised that more victims of his scams haven't come forward.
Or maybe they have...
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Maybe they have! Also some people may not even realise they've been scammed or have long since forgotten or weren't aware they were being set up for the long game. I have a feeling RB would have got away with his romance scams far more easily with married women who were having affairs - the let's run away together idea would work well for that. Then they can't speak out when it goes wrong. Just speculating on my part here.
 
TootsieFootsie said:
I'm just surprised that more victims of his scams haven't come forward.
Or maybe they have...
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If they are still alive.....
At the start of all this no one thought ONE man could have committed crimes with over 30 aliases......
And remember GGB said she was drugged....as he took nude photos of her.

It could be he uses those as blackmail
 
mishy66 said:
If they are still alive.....
At the start of all this no one thought ONE man could have committed crimes with over 30 aliases......
And remember GGB said she was drugged....as he took nude photos of her.

It could be he uses those as blackmail
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Indeed!

Also all the vulnerable, lonely, alone, women ~ maybe heavy drinkers, drug users, sex workers, mentally ill, or just solo travellers and backpackers happy to socialise ~ that he met incidentally along the way. Bet your life he got them drunk swiped their jewellery or rifled their bags for documentation and cards, or even just sat next to them in a bar or cafe and pilfered whatever he could on the sly, gleaning bits of information. IMO JMO
 
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