Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #7

[auntywithflowers]

Yes sorry you are missing my point.
I note FR using the reference to a football player in 'his country' who was well known there as a guise to have Marion trust him with some common denominator between them... football. I didnt say Marion knew the player ONLY that FR may have used this connection to football being played OS as a way to introduce commonality and build trust.

So, did he make the name change to FR after he met Marion ? To convince her and gain her trust? What was the date he started, then stopped using that name?

 

[KiwiNZ]

Ahh, I see. Sorry for misunderstanding. Yes, that is very plausible especially as I believe in the last episode it was stated that he was good at finding connections to build trust. Perhaps he deliberately picked a player who had some recorded information available to verify his story, but not enough to be properly fact checked by Marion or others.

They said the name was used by him for a QLD drivers license in 1988, I don't believe he knew Marion prior to 97 IMO, I think that story of 1969 was another web he is trying to weave.

If he was to use that name as an in with her he would have had to find out information about her prior to actually meeting her, so that he could start the relationship with the FR name. That is entirely possible because he is that creepy, which would mean he is less of an opportunist and actually stalks his prey.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Novotel hotels started in France in 1967, so he should also have known how to spell it.

Hmm well that throws my theory down the gurgler haha

 

[auntywithflowers]

Hmm well that throws my theory down the gurgler haha

Ok, Marion and the Con Artist should have known how to spell it. Maybe a fake Marion wrote this on the boarding pass?

 

[KiwiNZ]

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The whole point was to steal from her and make it look like she ran off overseas with Fernand (not him) to buy a house. And he succeeded.

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I don't think it was to make it look like she ran off with Fernand, because he didn't exist, no one knew about Fernand, nor could they have in 1996, the only link was the newspaper ad and as it turns out he used his own phone number lol, so I don't think that was the plan. So I think he wanted her family to think she went to the UK as Marion and just disappeared, end of.

He would have known there was a chance that they would link Marion B to FNMR but not Fernand.

All roads in Aus lead to him as Fernand Remakel and he left the crumbs - the drivers license and the advert with his phone number on it.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Can any one in Aus remember what ID you needed to get a drivers license in 1988 ?

 

[auntywithflowers]

Can any one in Aus remember what ID you needed to get a drivers license in 1988 ?

Birth Cerficicate only

 

[MrsWattle]

• I think he outsmarted the Australian Police and Authorities and Immigration. He obviously continued his illegal activities, Tall, romantic European conman, impersonator, scammer, master fraudster, forger, career criminal comes to operate sleepy seaside BALLINA!!

 

[Estelle]

What I find amazing is that from 1960s-70s, Belgium has clear record of him being a serial criminal. Not much later AU considers prosecution for falsifying citizenship documents and gets records of his earlier crimes. Then, from what we can tell, he continues to crime rigorously without any consequences (despite complaints over the years from at least two women and apparently one additional one from Belgium (Andree Flamme). Why so many charges early in Belgium (they were clearly on to him) and then law enforcement just turns a blind eye to it all? AU knew of several identities — he wasn’t hiding that well.

IMO he got away with it because of the Statute of Limitations which I previously posted about - five years, I think.

 

[Estelle]

• I think he outsmarted the Australian Police and Authorities and Immigration. He obviously continued his illegal activities, Tall, romantic European conman, impersonator, scammer, master fraudster, forger, career criminal comes to operate sleepy seaside BALLINA!!

By changing his name all the time, getting different passports, giving fake addresses, making up fake documents, silent phone nos, car registration in his wife's name perhaps and a driver's licence in a different name in a different state, he fooled everyone until now!

 

[mishy66]

By changing his name all the time, getting different passports, giving fake addresses, making up fake documents, silent phone nos, car registration in his wife's name perhaps and a driver's licence in a different name in a different state, he fooled everyone until now!

Yep!

Catch Me if you Can movie has nothing on this!

 

[KiwiNZ]

• I think he outsmarted the Australian Police and Authorities and Immigration. He obviously continued his illegal activities, Tall, romantic European conman, impersonator, scammer, master fraudster, forger, career criminal comes to operate sleepy seaside BALLINA!!

yip alot of people asleep on the job, how he is still in the country is beyond me, alot of paper pushing going on in regards to his immigration file ( NAA), they knew in 1981 he had obtained his citizenship by deception and it should be revoked, but looks like they just kept on pushing the file around, all the while he remain in the country and FDH and his wife has never changed her name. useless

 

[Estelle]

This is not real, it's just my imagination.

The Name change. The Boarding pass, married, home duties.

Let's suppose that Marion knows her lover as FNR.
He tells her he is a millionaire, and will buy her a mansion in Europe.
A new life with him.
She is swayed but will only do it If they are married.
So, he proposes marriage to her in Australia, but insists that he will only marry her in Europe with his family attending, in their new mansion with servants. She will be a pampered housewife. She giggles at that. It will be amazingly romantic.
But, Marion hesitates before she leaves, as she is taking a huge risk, so she demands that they must get married before they go.
He has a problem. He cant marry her for real, cause he's already married, and he doesn't love her, he just wants to steal her money.
The man of many names tells her to change her name to her soon to be married name. R.
She does this and is satisfied for now, awaiting her wedding , and housewife with servants, life in Europe.
They fly out separately. He gives her some excuse Work, flights etc.
FNR, manages to get all of Marion's documents into shared luggage. Leaving her main luggage at Airport.
Travel in Europe.
At some stage,
FNR, pre purchases Marions ticket back to Australia. She needs to go back to withdraw her money. He presents Marion with a blank new boarding pass for her to fill in for re entry to Australia. He tells her he always fills his out prior, to save time.
Marion happily fills out her boarding pass, and ticks Married, and adds home duties, because she believes she will be married and a house wife, by the time she eventually boards the flight back to Australia. She fills out her own boarding pass, her own handwriting. but she doesnot add her passport number, on the pass. It's added later by whoever flew back to Australia on that flight.
He puts her boarding pass with her future flight ticket and her passport, in with all her other documents.
Marion never leaves Europe. ?
Someone else flies back to Australia using Marion's pre filled in boarding pass, and passport, to steal her $80,000 in savings.
Clue :look at the boarding pass. The Passport number was added at a different time, as its written in a different pen and handwriting.
This is not real, it's just my imagination.

This is the type of scenario that I have suggested over the years as my gut feeling told me that Marion never returned to Australia. As a frequent traveller, I was sure he could have collected a few Arrival cards on earlier trips for this type of purpose. But everyone said it was Marion's handwriting on the card. I had not thought about her filling it out willingly (unless coerced) beforehand and how he would have got her passport unless it was stolen by him or she was dead first as I would have carried mine on me as you often need it when travelling. But you have also pointed out something else that the passport number was added later in different handwriting with a different pen. But I still wonder about the spelling of Novotel if Marion wrote this. Maybe he told her that is how it is spelt.

I still think your scenario is feasible.

 

[mishy66]

They had him in their sights for so long!!

 

[KiwiNZ]

double post

 

[mishy66]

His birth names were David _Father ...Coppenolle -_Mother

Hence Willy David ( Van Coppenolle )

Maria Coppenolle married Worters

hence Willy Worters

Willy Worters came to Australia 1969

1976 ...Became Frederic De H .

Most of his names he used on his business record as founders .
It figures that he was born to a reasonable well to do or connected family tree including his mothers so a sense of entitlement or expectations to remain or be well heeled .

I am sure you maybe correct about RLW but i don't think it was the main reason

After Marion when he used Remarkle
he uses what the witness from Sydney says as his real Australian name Frederic D Hadevary .

Later on we have found derivatives of RLW and Ritchie Rich .

I can see why he used certain names at certain times and when you think on it he must have been reasonably well know to clubs and social settings in around Ballina Casino Wollonbar and it seems he branched out from there to Byron, Yamba Grafton Nymbodia Lismore , many more places within easy drives and was in the area for quite a few years . I wonder how many people will be coming out of the wood work now , I can only imagine the gossip going on .

Anyway i think certain names were used for one reason and some were used for other obvious reasons due to familiarity so having a name like Frederick can go to Ric or Fred or Richard or Dick the locals probably used one or the other depending . Even as Rick Blum the Blum is connected to family we have found

He used the other family names from his past etc to some degree ....Remakel is the odd one out for me at the moment .

Are you able to post link to his birth info please.
I have read Born in Belgium 9/ 7 / 1939 as Willy W - parents are Abel and Maria C

 

[MrsWattle]

WILLY WORTers. Definitely not a good Vaucluse name, had to change that !

 

[Estelle]

They said the name was used by him for a QLD drivers license in 1988, I don't believe he knew Marion prior to 97 IMO, I think that story of 1969 was another web he is trying to weave.

If he was to use that name as an in with her he would have had to find out information about her prior to actually meeting her, so that he could start the relationship with the FR name. That is entirely possible because he is that creepy, which would mean he is less of an opportunist and actually stalks his prey.

I suspect that there was a lot of publicity on television and in the local media when Marion won The Teacher of the Year Award such as she used to married to Johnny Warren, lived in Southport, taught at TSS, had two children and photos of her. IMO if I had been a conman such as RB, I would have then done my research and stalked Marion - found out her address, driven past her house, looked up her phone no, found out about Johnny Warren and so on before I chose to meet her. They could have connected by a previous ad which led nowhere at the time or he could have met her by chance at the Arts Centre later. This publicity might have led to Marion's victimhood.

 

[Estelle]

Birth Cerficicate only

So he faked that too.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

H'mm, I didn't quite understand this bit in the latest podcast episode - were they saying he was using the real FR's age on the 1988 driver's licence, or the exact date of birth 2/12/1947? I didn't quite get that. Thanks if anyone can enlighten.