Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

[MrsWattle]

On the Bali topic, wondering if maybe RB had a timeshare there?
I know mum almost got talked into one when she was in Bali in 2014.

Good point. Yes plenty of timeshares in Bali.

 

[Annalize]

I know he’s 83 now but isn’t it strange that as far as we know, few, if any, of his peers have come forward as witnesses either in Australia or Europe. This guy must have led a life away from his criminality and had some social circle no matter how small, even if this was through his wife or children. His ‘business’ dealings must have brought him into contact with others. They can’t have all passed away. Where are they?

There are obviously sinister male characters in the groups he mixes/d in. He is so brazen that he may feel that they support his criminality. He may feel they admire him. He most certainly would try to implicate them in his devious activities to dissuade them from coming forward.
The fact that he fleeced the ex-wife of his business associate, Janet Oldenburg, and that her ex-husband does not seem to have reported his fraudulence and abuse, speaks volumes. Why did he not report AKA? Did AKA share the proceeds of his theft from JO with her ex-husband?
There are no limits to his greed and predation.

Two years after Barter left Australia for Europe, Janet Oldenburg took a similar trip with Blum, who she knew as Ric West. Oldenburg told the court she met Blum in 1996 through her husband's coin collecting circles, and they reconnected in 1999 just as she had finalized her divorce.

It is worth considering that AKA's propensity to frequent casinos and race tracks may be related to money-laundering rather than gambling. He may have assisted his business associates in this way too.

Let's hope the house of cards collapses for all of these deviants.
And that more men come forward to expose AKA and Mrs AKA the 4th's, underbelly of corruption.
From the various outlets I have seen it is predominantly women coming forward.

 

[VisitorDog]

I think the age of his peers is likely massively compounding the problem, that they may have died or be in ill health, or less likely to listen to podcasts / see social media. I wonder how many possible past victims may have died of natural causes (I know…) since, too. Again - the amount of damage to so many people that could possibly have been avoided, had Sally been taken seriously earlier on. And how even Marion’s likely situation avoided had any of the many prior known issues relating to AKA at the time been addressed. I do wonder if anyone feels guilty. Even at the coroners inquiry the police seemed quite happy with their prior work?

Plus side - the plethora of print / online news articles might well reach where previous social media / podcasts haven’t. It does seem to be hitting a critical mass now. It breaks my heart that the person who may have the answers is at the age he is while everything grinds so slowly. I doubt a conscience is growing suddenly now.

 

[VisitorDog]

Also - he strikes me as the kind of guy who’d sell (imaginary) timeshares…

 

[wallyworld]

Maybe the fear of guilt by association for some.

But it is weird that hardly anyone who knew him seems to have come forward.

We can only hope that there is more going on behind the scene that we are not yet privy to

 

[KiwiNZ]

Also - he strikes me as the kind of guy who’d sell (imaginary) timeshares…

Funny this brings me back to the "remakel" that someone from a timeshare company on the Gold Coast said worked for them around 2000.

Stretch to think RB worked a day in his life but since he had ID in that name who knows ?

 

[VisitorDog]

Funny this brings me back to the "remakel" that someone from a timeshare company on the Gold Coast said worked for them around 2000.

Stretch to think RB worked a day in his life but since he had ID in that name who knows ?

Oh interesting… do we still have the details on that? It’s not such a leap from selling houses you don’t own to selling timeshares in houses you don’t own?

 

[mishy66]

There are obviously sinister male characters in the groups he mixes/d in. He is so brazen that he may feel that they support his criminality. He may feel they admire him. He most certainly would try to implicate them in his devious activities to dissuade them from coming forward.
The fact that he fleeced the ex-wife of his business associate, Janet Oldenburg, and that her ex-husband does not seem to have reported his fraudulence and abuse, speaks volumes. Why did he not report AKA? Did AKA share the proceeds of his theft from JO with her ex-husband?
There are no limits to his greed and predation.

Two years after Barter left Australia for Europe, Janet Oldenburg took a similar trip with Blum, who she knew as Ric West. Oldenburg told the court she met Blum in 1996 through her husband's coin collecting circles, and they reconnected in 1999 just as she had finalized her divorce.

It is worth considering that AKA's propensity to frequent casinos and race tracks may be related to money-laundering rather than gambling. He may have assisted his business associates in this way too.

Let's hope the house of cards collapses for all of these deviants.
And that more men come forward to expose AKA and Mrs AKA the 4th's, underbelly of corruption.
From the various outlets I have seen it is predominantly women coming forward.

Exactly! And he opened a safety deposit box between phoning JO and meeting up with her!

 

[KiwiNZ]

Oh interesting… do we still have the details on that? It’s not such a leap from selling houses you don’t own to selling timeshares in houses you don’t own?

page 33 of below thread - we discuss it - but we did discuss it over a period of time.

I have no idea how to link the page lol ....

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

@Estelle re Trenwest: Looked into by the police pre-mid-2021 and no record was found. Wonder what sort of eyes they were looking with at that time. Yes I wonder. However, I don't know the story of Trendwest. I know about timeshare, have been to listen to what they have to offer and stayed...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Brown Alleycat]

Funny this brings me back to the "remakel" that someone from a timeshare company on the Gold Coast said worked for them around 2000.

Stretch to think RB worked a day in his life but since he had ID in that name who knows ?

Yes there was mention of that. Perhaps he decided to "work" there for a short while to see if he could snare more women into his web of deceit! He wouldn't be able to use his name that he received Centerlink with, and he had a driver's licence in Remakel name!

 

[KiwiNZ]

Yes there was mention of that. Perhaps he decided to "work" there for a short while to see if he could snare more women into his web of deceit! He wouldn't be able to use his name that he received Centerlink with, and he had a driver's licence in Remakel name!

I believe the police ran this lead to ground, I think MBMP page confirm this ... but that was before we knew there was an actual license in AUS in the FR name and the police missed that until recently !!! so chances are they could have got this wrong as well IMO.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I believe the police ran this lead to ground, I think MBMP page confirm this ... but that was before we knew there was an actual license in AUS in the FR name and the police missed that until recently !!! so chances are they could have got this wrong as well IMO.

And to be fair, not being legit has never stopped him before… he could have just been walking around as FR pretending he worked there and that he sold time share.
He was familiar with the hotels over there, he could have made up or recited any sales pitch enough to have someone believe him.

 

[KiwiNZ]

And to be fair, not being legit has never stopped him before… he could have just been walking around as FR pretending he worked there and that he sold time share.
He was familiar with the hotels over there, he could have made up or recited any sales pitch enough to have someone believe him.

the person who gave the tip worked at the timeshare company and paid wages, that is how she recognized the name from the wage run. She had never seen or meet the person with the name "remarkel" but recall the office staff talking about how unusually the name was at the time.

From what I can recall

Also if I remember correctly - it was WS that tracked down the location of the timeshare office that happened to be right over the road from the arts center, I don't think that connection had been made when the tip was given, which made it even more interesting

 

[HinterlandObserver]

the person who gave the tip worked at the timeshare company and paid wages, that is how she recognized the name from the wage run. She had never seen or meet the person with the name "remarkel" but recall the office staff talking about how unusually the name was at the time.

From what I can recall

Also if I remember correctly - it was WS that tracked down the location of the timeshare office that happened to be right over the road from the arts center, I don't think that connection had been made when the tip was given, which made it even more interesting

Ahhhhhh ok, that is interesting indeed.

 

[KiwiNZ]

from the MBMP facebook page

Fact: after finding and speaking with the CP manager at Brisbane airport in 1997 that flight # originated out of Amsterdam - not Hong Kong.
Hong Kong was a stop over for refuling and hence why it’s noted on mums incoming passenger card.

 

[Martinie]

Funny this brings me back to the "remakel" that someone from a timeshare company on the Gold Coast said worked for them around 2000.

Stretch to think RB worked a day in his life but since he had ID in that name who knows ?

Were they ever shown photos of him?

 

[Martinie]

Yes there was mention of that. Perhaps he decided to "work" there for a short while to see if he could snare more women into his web of deceit! He wouldn't be able to use his name that he received Centerlink with, and he had a driver's licence in Remakel name!

Oh snap! That would be a good reason to have to names at the same time!!

 

[KiwiNZ]

Were they ever shown photos of him?

She had never seen or meet the person with the name "remarkel" but recalls the office staff talking about how unusually the name was at the time. She paid wages she recognized the name from wage run

it is on one of the earlier podcasts.

stretching my memory here lol..

 

[mishy66]

Funny this brings me back to the "remakel" that someone from a timeshare company on the Gold Coast said worked for them around 2000.

Stretch to think RB worked a day in his life but since he had ID in that name who knows ?

I believe the police ran this lead to ground, I think MBMP page confirm this ... but that was before we knew there was an actual license in AUS in the FR name and the police missed that until recently !!! so chances are they could have got this wrong as well IMO.

He wouldnt have worked a day in his miserable life.

Diane on the other hand....?

The Remakel connection at Trendwest was looked into by NSW police and no record was found it was said on MB FB page.

But who knows.

The weird thing is that recent teller who testified - didnt she testify she had done a back to work course......maybe it was Diane Walker she met .

 

[mishy66]

SORRY I CANT POST REPLY FROM SO FAR BACK -

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

@Estelle re Trenwest: Looked into by the police pre-mid-2021 and no record was found. Wonder what sort of eyes they were looking with at that time. Yes I wonder. However, I don't know the story of Trendwest. I know about timeshare, have been to listen to what they have to offer and stayed...

www.websleuths.com

@KiwiNZ
"I am sure the person claimed the Remakel worked there after 2000, I will re-listen to the podcast tomorrow and confirm
Trendwest - 130 Bundall Rd,Bundall, QLD, 4217. Bundall. Gold Coast, QLD,
Art Centre - 135 Bundall Rd, Gold Coast, Queensland 4217
I think Trendwest HO has since moved
Do we know when the DH's lived in Miami, Gold coast ? Cant imagine he would commute from NSW"

Well thanks to the passage of time and information since that post -

Miami Gold Coast - 2009

BUT thats not to say they werent in QLD earlier.