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Lord Peter Flimsy said:
I pretty much crossed off my list of cases the murder of Jennifer Fairgate (Fergate) in the Oslo Plaza Hotel in June 1995 despite its probable Belgium/Luxembourg connections. But after listening to MC mention Mafia style gangs her execution style murder does make you wonder.
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I haven't crossed anything off my list as far as RB is concerned. Nothing would surprise me now!
 
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Probably an old summary for many here but new for me, I’ve been having a look through Trove and it’s a coincidence that whoever placed the ad below is similar in age to what AH would have been in 1972. After delving a lot into Trove I’ve noticed that with many personal ads placed over the years (looking for a companion and mainly in Le Courrier Australien), there are ads where the poster is aged around the same as AH would have been. MOO

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Advertising - Le Courrier Australien (Sydney, NSW : 1892 - 2011) - 28 Jul 1972

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It is no wonder that criminals LOVE the country down under.

If you look at the NSW legislation of 3 name changes and then the QLD legislation, it is very easy to see how he got away with the name changes over the decades!

Here is the legislation in Queensland - and given that AH seems to have property/ properties/ AND friends who own real estate agencies in QLD, it is easy to see just how he gets away with all the aliases over the years!

The Aust Government should hang its head in shame. Every Department in Government should be made accountable for their appalling procedures that are suppose to protect people from predators like AH.

Changing your name

Information about how your can officially or unofficially change your name. We don't give advice about this area of law.
www.legalaid.qld.gov.au www.legalaid.qld.gov.au

Part of the QUEENSLAND legislation fitting AH :

Officially changing your name​

You can change your legal name by applying to the Queensland Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages if you:
you were born overseas, have lived in Queensland for the past 12 months and usually live in Queensland.

There are rules about changing your name:
you’re not allowed to change your name for criminal purposes (eg fraud). - WELL THATS A JOKE
you can only change your name once every 12 months - TICK
you must give a reason for your change of name -eg your mother has remarried and you want to take on the new family name or your current name is difficult to spell or pronounce - I work for the Embassy
The Registrar of Births Deaths and Marriages will need evidence of your identity, age, and that the name change is not for any fraudulent or other improper purpose. - ANOTHER JOKE

Do I need legal advice?​

You don’t need legal advice to change your name

If you are looking to replace a certificate lost or damaged in other circumstances, you can apply for a:
change of name certificate
If your application is approved, we will send you the official certificate

Change of name certificates only provide some birth information, the new name and any previous change of name registered in Queensland by us—not including a change of name through marriage. They are not proof of birth details.

The application fee includes 1 free certificate. You have to pay for additional certificates.

Documents you will need to provide​

( AH - " OH SORRY I AM A WAR ORPHAN") ​

If you were born or adopted overseas, you must provide:
  • certified proof of ID​
  • a copy of your birth certificate—if you can’t get one, we may accept another evidence of birth document (more about this below)​
  • evidence explaining why if your current name is different to the name on your birth certificate, such as​
    • marriage certificate​
    • family deed poll document​
    • change of name document.​
  • a copy of your Australian citizenship certificate if you are a citizen.​
If you can’t provide a birth certificate, we may accept one of these instead (however, you will also need to provide a statutory declaration explaining why the certificate isn’t available, and including your name at birth, as well as your date and place of birth): SHOULDNT BE TOO HARD FOR A CRIMINAL WITH SHONKY FRIENDS
  • an Australian visa​
  • a travel document - EASY ENOUGH​
  • a passport issued by your country of birth with a letter from the consulate confirming your details - "EASY ENOUGH, I WORK AT THE EMBASSY"​

You also need to show that you currently live and have lived in Queensland for the past 12 months, such as:
  • rental agreement - EASY ENOUGH IF THE PROPERTIES ARE IN ANOTHER NAME​
  • rates notice​
  • utility bills​
  • a letter that​
    • is dated and signed on letterhead by either​
      • your current employer​
      • your doctor​
      • your educational institution​
      • the Australian Electoral Commission​
      • your accountant - TICK​
      • your financial institution or bank manager​
      • your real estate agent - TICK​
    • states how long you have lived in Queensland​
    • states how long the person or organisation has known you​

Your application will not be approved if: the change of name appears to be for a fraudulent or other improper purpose
ANOTHER JOKE

How to apply​

To apply to change your name, you need to:

  1. Read and understand the rules above.​
  2. Choose how you would like to pay the fee.​
  3. Review your details.​
  4. Read the email we send you to find out how to finalise your application.​
  5. Have your proof of ID and supporting documents certified by a Justice of the Peace or another authorised person.​
  6. Have another adult (18 or older) witness your signature on the declaration section of the application form. - HELLO DIANE, OR NEIGHBOUR​
  7. Submit your signed application form, supporting documents and payment ONLINE (if you chose not to pay online) to us by post!​

AUSTRALIA - THE LAND OF FREEDOM FOR CRIMINALS
 
mishy66 said:
It is no wonder that criminals LOVE the country down under.

If you look at the NSW legislation of 3 name changes and then the QLD legislation, it is very easy to see how he got away with the name changes over the decades!

Here is the legislation in Queensland - and given that AH seems to have property/ properties/ AND friends who own real estate agencies in QLD, it is easy to see just how he gets away with all the aliases over the years!

The Aust Government should hang its head in shame. Every Department in Government should be made accountable for their appalling procedures that are suppose to protect people from predators like AH.

Changing your name

Information about how your can officially or unofficially change your name. We don't give advice about this area of law.
www.legalaid.qld.gov.au www.legalaid.qld.gov.au

Part of the QUEENSLAND legislation fitting AH :

Officially changing your name​

You can change your legal name by applying to the Queensland Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages if you:
you were born overseas, have lived in Queensland for the past 12 months and usually live in Queensland.

There are rules about changing your name:
you’re not allowed to change your name for criminal purposes (eg fraud). - WELL THATS A JOKE
you can only change your name once every 12 months - TICK
you must give a reason for your change of name -eg your mother has remarried and you want to take on the new family name or your current name is difficult to spell or pronounce - I work for the Embassy
The Registrar of Births Deaths and Marriages will need evidence of your identity, age, and that the name change is not for any fraudulent or other improper purpose. - ANOTHER JOKE

Do I need legal advice?​

You don’t need legal advice to change your name

If you are looking to replace a certificate lost or damaged in other circumstances, you can apply for a:
change of name certificate
If your application is approved, we will send you the official certificate

Change of name certificates only provide some birth information, the new name and any previous change of name registered in Queensland by us—not including a change of name through marriage. They are not proof of birth details.

The application fee includes 1 free certificate. You have to pay for additional certificates.

Documents you will need to provide​

( AH - " OH SORRY I AM A WAR ORPHAN") ​

If you were born or adopted overseas, you must provide:
  • certified proof of ID​
  • a copy of your birth certificate—if you can’t get one, we may accept another evidence of birth document (more about this below)​
  • evidence explaining why if your current name is different to the name on your birth certificate, such as​
    • marriage certificate​
    • family deed poll document​
    • change of name document.​
  • a copy of your Australian citizenship certificate if you are a citizen.​
If you can’t provide a birth certificate, we may accept one of these instead (however, you will also need to provide a statutory declaration explaining why the certificate isn’t available, and including your name at birth, as well as your date and place of birth): SHOULDNT BE TOO HARD FOR A CRIMINAL WITH SHONKY FRIENDS
  • an Australian visa​
  • a travel document - EASY ENOUGH​
  • a passport issued by your country of birth with a letter from the consulate confirming your details - "EASY ENOUGH, I WORK AT THE EMBASSY"​

You also need to show that you currently live and have lived in Queensland for the past 12 months, such as:
  • rental agreement - EASY ENOUGH IF THE PROPERTIES ARE IN ANOTHER NAME​
  • rates notice​
  • utility bills​
  • a letter that​
    • is dated and signed on letterhead by either​
      • your current employer​
      • your doctor​
      • your educational institution​
      • the Australian Electoral Commission​
      • your accountant - TICK​
      • your financial institution or bank manager​
      • your real estate agent - TICK​
    • states how long you have lived in Queensland​
    • states how long the person or organisation has known you​

Your application will not be approved if: the change of name appears to be for a fraudulent or other improper purpose
ANOTHER JOKE

How to apply​

To apply to change your name, you need to:

  1. Read and understand the rules above.​
  2. Choose how you would like to pay the fee.​
  3. Review your details.​
  4. Read the email we send you to find out how to finalise your application.​
  5. Have your proof of ID and supporting documents certified by a Justice of the Peace or another authorised person.​
  6. Have another adult (18 or older) witness your signature on the declaration section of the application form. - HELLO DIANE, OR NEIGHBOUR​
  7. Submit your signed application form, supporting documents and payment ONLINE (if you chose not to pay online) to us by post!​
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Appalling! Shame on Australian government! Well researched Misshy
 
Totally agree with all you say Mishy

Identity theft and fraud is so much harder nowadays but the whole point is that off the back of a stolen wallet or someone's stolen mail, one could begin to scaffold the pieces of an identity that would be sufficient for different purposes and then those items can add up to creating greater documents and before you know it you've got an entirely false persona, most especially if some are doctored such as say a birth certificate.
 
mishy66 said:
It is no wonder that criminals LOVE the country down under.

If you look at the NSW legislation of 3 name changes and then the QLD legislation, it is very easy to see how he got away with the name changes over the decades!

Here is the legislation in Queensland - and given that AH seems to have property/ properties/ AND friends who own real estate agencies in QLD, it is easy to see just how he gets away with all the aliases over the years!

The Aust Government should hang its head in shame. Every Department in Government should be made accountable for their appalling procedures that are suppose to protect people from predators like AH.

Changing your name

Information about how your can officially or unofficially change your name. We don't give advice about this area of law.
www.legalaid.qld.gov.au www.legalaid.qld.gov.au

Part of the QUEENSLAND legislation fitting AH :

Officially changing your name​

You can change your legal name by applying to the Queensland Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages if you:
you were born overseas, have lived in Queensland for the past 12 months and usually live in Queensland.

There are rules about changing your name:
you’re not allowed to change your name for criminal purposes (eg fraud). - WELL THATS A JOKE
you can only change your name once every 12 months - TICK
you must give a reason for your change of name -eg your mother has remarried and you want to take on the new family name or your current name is difficult to spell or pronounce - I work for the Embassy
The Registrar of Births Deaths and Marriages will need evidence of your identity, age, and that the name change is not for any fraudulent or other improper purpose. - ANOTHER JOKE

Do I need legal advice?​

You don’t need legal advice to change your name

If you are looking to replace a certificate lost or damaged in other circumstances, you can apply for a:
change of name certificate
If your application is approved, we will send you the official certificate

Change of name certificates only provide some birth information, the new name and any previous change of name registered in Queensland by us—not including a change of name through marriage. They are not proof of birth details.

The application fee includes 1 free certificate. You have to pay for additional certificates.

Documents you will need to provide​

( AH - " OH SORRY I AM A WAR ORPHAN") ​

If you were born or adopted overseas, you must provide:
  • certified proof of ID​
  • a copy of your birth certificate—if you can’t get one, we may accept another evidence of birth document (more about this below)​
  • evidence explaining why if your current name is different to the name on your birth certificate, such as​
    • marriage certificate​
    • family deed poll document​
    • change of name document.​
  • a copy of your Australian citizenship certificate if you are a citizen.​
If you can’t provide a birth certificate, we may accept one of these instead (however, you will also need to provide a statutory declaration explaining why the certificate isn’t available, and including your name at birth, as well as your date and place of birth): SHOULDNT BE TOO HARD FOR A CRIMINAL WITH SHONKY FRIENDS
  • an Australian visa​
  • a travel document - EASY ENOUGH​
  • a passport issued by your country of birth with a letter from the consulate confirming your details - "EASY ENOUGH, I WORK AT THE EMBASSY"​

You also need to show that you currently live and have lived in Queensland for the past 12 months, such as:
  • rental agreement - EASY ENOUGH IF THE PROPERTIES ARE IN ANOTHER NAME​
  • rates notice​
  • utility bills​
  • a letter that​
    • is dated and signed on letterhead by either​
      • your current employer​
      • your doctor​
      • your educational institution​
      • the Australian Electoral Commission​
      • your accountant - TICK​
      • your financial institution or bank manager​
      • your real estate agent - TICK​
    • states how long you have lived in Queensland​
    • states how long the person or organisation has known you​

Your application will not be approved if: the change of name appears to be for a fraudulent or other improper purpose
ANOTHER JOKE

How to apply​

To apply to change your name, you need to:

  1. Read and understand the rules above.​
  2. Choose how you would like to pay the fee.​
  3. Review your details.​
  4. Read the email we send you to find out how to finalise your application.​
  5. Have your proof of ID and supporting documents certified by a Justice of the Peace or another authorised person.​
  6. Have another adult (18 or older) witness your signature on the declaration section of the application form. - HELLO DIANE, OR NEIGHBOUR​
  7. Submit your signed application form, supporting documents and payment ONLINE (if you chose not to pay online) to us by post!​

AUSTRALIA - THE LAND OF FREEDOM FOR CRIMINALS
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Because a fraudster is going to think ‘oh dear I’m not allowed to apply as I’m a fraudster’!

Having to give a reason for the name change. I would love to see all of these. ‘Should I wish to poison someone keeping the same surname is a tad inconvenient and against my human rights’

What about the countries he visited that didn’t realise just how easy it is to hoodwink Government Agencies in Australia. Allowing him to change his name so often made it impossible for overseas agencies to track him. Not that some of them come out smelling of roses.

If Sally achieves nothing else I do hope there will a Public Enquiry in Australia looking at just how easy it is for a known criminal to carry out decades of serious crime (including across the World) and be assisted in that endeavour by making it so easy to ‘officially’ change identity numerous times. There doesn’t appear to have been a single red flag.
 
Lord Peter Flimsy said:
Because a fraudster is going to think ‘oh dear I’m not allowed to apply as I’m a fraudster’!

Having to give a reason for the name change. I would love to see all of these. ‘Should I wish to poison someone keeping the same surname is a tad inconvenient and against my human rights’

What about the countries he visited that didn’t realise just how easy it is to hoodwink Government Agencies in Australia. Allowing him to change his name so often made it impossible for overseas agencies to track him. Not that some of them come out smelling of roses.

If Sally achieves nothing else I do hope there will a Public Enquiry in Australia looking at just how easy it is for a known criminal to carry out decades of serious crime (including across the World) and be assisted in that endeavour by making it so easy to ‘officially’ change identity numerous times. There doesn’t appear to have been a single red flag.
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Exactly, not even within Border Control/ ASIO/ Federal police when their written documents going back and forth to each other over the years went absolutely nowhere. The same thing happened in the IK case. The NSW banking system and NSW and QLD Police force. Paper pushers not doing their job and a system riddled with holes. It's a criminals paradise here.
Didn't he infer at the inquest that Australia and Italy were dumbasses - laughing at the legislation of the very country that kept his game alive for decades.
 
I recall whenever he was asked why all the name changes at the Inquest, his default answer was 'because it is legal to do so...' as if by some logic distortion this means that because a person has the lawful right to change their name they *should*.

But also, it wasn't always lawful for him to do so was it if he was providing other false documents to scaffold a fake identity?
 
mishy66 said:
Didn't he infer at the inquest that Australia and Italy were dumbasses
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He was referring to Australians and their knowledge, or lack of it, of European coins.

I have a feeling that in general he thought that being from Europe he was a cut above Australians.

To use an old expression he had "tickets on himself"


Definition of 'have tickets on oneself'​


have tickets on oneself in British English
or have got tickets on oneself
Australian informal
to be conceited
 
TootsieFootsie said:
He was referring to Australians and their knowledge, or lack of it, of European coins.

I have a feeling that in general he thought that being from Europe he was a cut above Australians.

To use an old expression he had "tickets on himself"


Definition of 'have tickets on oneself'​


have tickets on oneself in British English
or have got tickets on oneself
Australian informal
to be conceited
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LOL I know this saying as I used to share with Oz and Kiwi housemates but here in the UK it's not a saying, it's a good one tho!
 
mishy66 said:
Exactly, not even within Border Control/ ASIO/ Federal police when their written documents going back and forth to each other over the years went absolutely nowhere. The same thing happened in the IK case. The NSW banking system and NSW and QLD Police force. Paper pushers not doing their job and a system riddled with holes. It's a criminals paradise here.
Didn't he infer at the inquest that Australia and Italy were dumbasses - laughing at the legislation of the very country that kept his game alive for decades.
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Listening at his appearance at the 1st inquest I had the feeling his opinion of Australians was almost on a par with his opinion of his female victims.
 
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Observe_dont_Absorb said:
I recall whenever he was asked why all the name changes at the Inquest, his default answer was 'because it is legal to do so...' as if by some logic distortion this means that because a person has the lawful right to change their name they *should*.

But also, it wasn't always lawful for him to do so was it if he was providing other false documents to scaffold a fake identity?
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Wouldn’t it be interesting to see all of the official forms he has filled out over the decades, especially his response to the reason why he wants his name changed each time. An open and shut case for a perjury, I think.
 
mishy66 said:
Exactly, not even within Border Control/ ASIO/ Federal police when their written documents going back and forth to each other over the years went absolutely nowhere. The same thing happened in the IK case. The NSW banking system and NSW and QLD Police force. Paper pushers not doing their job and a system riddled with holes. It's a criminals paradise here.
Didn't he infer at the inquest that Australia and Italy were dumbasses - laughing at the legislation of the very country that kept his game alive for decades.
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It is astonishing the amount of information the authorities had on him back in the early 80’s but yet he still managed to carry on going in and out of the country at will and changing his name multiple times!
 
Appalling. The Australian Government needs to completely overhaul every system they have in place.
And then heavily compensate every victim related to this case, because it was their own policies that allowed this to go on for as long as it has.

Dr Poirot said:
It is astonishing the amount of information the authorities had on him back in the early 80’s but yet he still managed to carry on going in and out of the country at will and changing his name multiple times!
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