Found Alive Australia - Mark, 51, & Jacoba Tromp, 53, Jenolan Caves, NSW, 30 Aug 2016

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Madge_Ick_Dike said:
I am so interested in this but also feel a bit nosey, like this is their business and I'm poking my nose in. Mental health issues have so much stigma attached to them - I wonder if any of this family had felt able to reach out and get help, maybe all this could have been avoided :(
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If it was a case study in a textbook it would be fascinating, Madge, but it's about a farming family who have just been through what must have been a very traumatic episode.

We've long been warned about the toll poor mental health has on rural families; including the tragedies of suicides and murder-suicides. It is often a tough life; full of financial, environmental and psychological stress.

Many normally mentally healthy people break down under the burden of excessive stress. They can develop chronic anxiety and depression, which leads to sleep deprivation, poor nutrition and excessive use of legal drugs such as caffeine, nicotine and alcohol; resulting in uncharacteristically bizarre behaviour when they finally break down; psychologically and physically.

What this family needs are not labels published in MSM but their missing father to be found before yet another tragedy occurs.
 
pwurg said:
I have also suffered intensely from anxiety for many years and there are certainly aspects of this case that correspond with extreme panic attack behaviour. But the chance of this happening to all five members of a family at pretty much the same time must surely be infinitesimal. Only one other logical train of thought springs to mind: psychoactives. I think the family have somehow been poisoned - and not necessarily intentionally or by an external party. It could have been anything. Maybe it was their lunch? Mushroom tea ... blackberry sandwiches ...Pythonesque salmon mousse? Something either organic or chemical that they encountered, inhaled and/or consumed in the early stages of their journey. Pesticides from their farm, even? But exposure to something with hallucinogenic properties would absolutely explain their completely irrational behavior, both collectively and individually. People having very bad trip can very much act like they're in a movie where nothing makes any sort of believable sense. Just a thought.

P.S. Stupendously long-time lurker here. Thought I'd say hi :) Keep up the good work!
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This was my thought too. That they have somehow been drugged or poisoned. You're right about mushys or even LSD. I'm sure there would also be some farm chemicals that could cause hallucinations and delusions. I really hope he's found safe soon.
 
Silvan to Bathurst is approx 8.20 hour drive.

Bathurst to Goulburn approx 2.20 hours.

Wonder who was doing all the driving?

Did they stop and stay over night anywhere?





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Tuesday, August 30: Mitch decides he wants to go home. He leaves the family at Kelso, a suburb of Bathurst, about 7am and makes his way to Sydney.


Do we know where they were in Kelso?

What time they left Silvan the day before?

Sorry for so many posts, the Tapatalk app won't let me edit for some reason.

Curious to know what direction they were heading in, and why that direction changed after Mitchell left.

Also, did they stop and sleep somewhere? They travelled a fair distance, was it through the night?
9ish hours in a small car for 5 adults would be fairly unpleasant, especially with heightened emotions..


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I wish we knew what time Monday they left the farm, Mitch didn't stay around for long.
I'm astounded about the girls stealing a car, and that they didn't ask for help, also can't understand Rianna being left in Goulburn in a catatonic state, sounds like mother was the same.
 
kiwi50 said:
I wish we knew what time Monday they left the farm, Mitch didn't stay around for long.
I'm astounded about the girls stealing a car, and that they didn't ask for help, also can't understand Rianna being left in Goulburn in a catatonic state, sounds like mother was the same.
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Odd isn't it. Riana and her sister stole a car, then hours (?) later was found in a catatonic state. I doubt her sister kicked her out on the side of the road. So what caused the separation of the sisters? What caused Riana to further shut down. Even in anger I couldn't imagine driving off on a sibling after all we had been through in the past day...
Something freaky has happened to this family.

So many missing pieces.


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Morrisa said:
From the above article...


[FONT="]“It looks bad because some papers are scattered over the kitchen bench and the floor but most of the piles are systematically stacked. Kind of like they are looking for something.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#232323][FONT="]“We do not know what that something is because obviously Mark is missing and his wife is very frail.[/FONT]
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Again I have seen this before. It's just part of a paranoid delusion.

There is nothing else going on here except a man (Mark Tromp) who has apparently had a psychotic break and brought his entire family along for the ride. It's incredibly sad and I can't say how brave those kids are, especially the son and youngest daughter, to be going on national TV and admitting their father is mentally ill and needs help.

Geez I hope they find him soon..
 
Such a baffling case. I wish Police and/or medical professionals would give some tips on how to approach (or not approach) a potential sighting of the father, given his reported paranoia.

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Hoosgirl said:
Such a baffling case. I wish Police and/or medical professionals would give some tips on how to approach (or not approach) a potential sighting of the father, given his reported paranoia.

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The reality is police lack the skills to deal with mental illness effectively. They aren't taught the full spectrum of mental disorders, it would take way too long and be too expensive to make every police officer a psychiatrist.

That said in a case like this they should have bought in specialists by now, so I agree it is strange they aren't advising the general public how to approach Mark. Most of the time people who have psychotic episodes, although they act in strange ways, they won't act abnormally in terms of violence etc. If Mark wasn't a violent person then he won't become violent simply because he is psychotic.

I suspect they will pick him up in a weakened state probably having broken in somewhere and alerted by a member of the public.

I really hope the interest in this unfolding case might make Australians take more interest in the importance of understanding mental health.
 
Blessed said:
Odd isn't it. Riana and her sister stole a car, then hours (?) later was found in a catatonic state. I doubt her sister kicked her out on the side of the road. So what caused the separation of the sisters? What caused Riana to further shut down. Even in anger I couldn't imagine driving off on a sibling after all we had been through in the past day...
Something freaky has happened to this family.

So many missing pieces.


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BBM: Apparently, the sisters wanted to go home different ways, so they split up. And yes, that is weird too.

It is not as if the father had a breakdown and took off. Four other adults got in the car (his daughter's car) with him - and then all fled from him in an altered state. Even Mitch is looking very wide-eyed and shaken (naturally). And none of them went for immediate help. They all just planned to go home, which would take hours from where each of them was ... none of them with a mode of transport.
I think they were all affected by the delusions (?) in some way. With some of them more affected than others.


Ella and Riana split up at a Goulburn service station because they want to get home different ways
http://www.news.com.au/national/is-...x/news-story/7b349973f3af4588002f9b21bce007d6
 
Such a strange and tragic case.
I believe that somehow every family member became involved in the delusion. They could have even separated because of it. Once on their own, they broke down mentally. While others just realized the madness they were involved in.
I do hope the dad is found safe. He needs helps desperately.
 
Jumping off from the toxin theory. I know they've been doing this a long time and I know nothing about farming methods but the Red Currant, which according to the Tromp website is what they grow, has Hydrogen Cyanide toxin in the leaves. I haven't had a chance to read the journals yet but searching Hydrogen Cyanide psychosis does return results. I wonder if long term exposure somehow made them predisposed to tipping over the edge.

http://www.phadia.com/es/5/Productos/ImmunoCAP-Allergens/Food-of-Plant-Origin/Fruits/Red-currant/
 
Bohemian said:
If they are the article was obviously written prior to my last post. No mention of the stressors many rural farming families suffer that may have led to this tragic episode.
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Folie a deux was already suspected by one member very early on in the thread.
 
Madge_Ick_Dike said:
Just thinking out loud.... as reported, they left home with a lot of cash money - maybe Ella acquired a car by buying a $500 bomb just to get home in?
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Been reported in media that Ella and Raina *stole* a car at Jenolan Caves and separated from their parents that way.
 
http://www.smh.com.au/national/biza...-trip-cloaked-in-mystery-20160901-gr6ujf.html

Think it's in this report where it is said towards the end that there was a specific 'trigger' that police are aware of, which could have led to the family fleeing, but police won't divulge what that was but are focusing on finding Mr Tromp.

Like most others, I find this story really bizarre.
For starters, why did the three adult children go along on this trip with the parents? Were they afraid for their parents' mental state or did they share the same state?
The son on one hand throws his phone out the car window at the insistence of the parents, but then does have the will to separate from the group at Kelso.
The two daughters *steal* a car at Jenolan Caves... They don't strike me as people who would habitually do that. Were they under extreme fear or in some form of psychosis to do something like that? It gives the impression that they were desperate to get away. Why not ask for police assistance though, or engage a member of the public for assistance? Or even call 000?
And then, one by one, members of the family turn up along roadsides in strange circumstances...
In the end, they seem traumatised from their own circumstances. In the end, they all seem to be trying to get away from the father who, till now, remains missing.
It's also been reported that nothing suspicious has been uncovered with this family: no drugs, no debts, no membership of strange sects etc. Not even medical histories for any of these people, or so much as a prescription for medicine written out for anyone in recent times. Completely clean slate, on the surface, from what we're told in msm reports.
Will be following this closely!
 
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