GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #1

[SouthAussie]

One would think that the killer would be local, or fairly local, as that is how social circles generally work – so they may have had a really good idea on how to dodge the majority of CCTV. I’d also think they’d have a fair amount of blood on them, unless they were naked during the frenzied murder and went to the water to wash blood from their visible skin areas.

I’m also wondering if the prime suspect is all lawyered up – as this seems it should be a slam-dunk case to me. May be lots of gossip/knowledge among Morgan’s friends about a person hounding him, or with a screw loose.

If the police have good CCTV images, I guess they could always release segments to the public (as was done in the Jill Meagher case – while police evidently knew exactly who was in that CCTV vision). That may help to cross a few t’s and dot a few i’s.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

OK you know .. good point about CCTV .. After the Jill Meagher case people are aware that shops have CCTV that covers the street in front, so maybe the killer was close enough to walk, but decided to go down residential streets until she either got to her car or got back home?

Surely they know who it is by now and are keeping them under surveillance while they build enough of a case for court?

 

[michael]

If she used a car there'll be toll records from around there IMO.

Ah hah! but no toll required northbound. Or southbound IF you get off the freeway before crossing the harbour. Of course, I'm sure there'd still be traffic cameras, but could they record every car on the freeway? That would be quite some volume of vehicles...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Well once they have the ping data they can cross reference with tolls if she had to go through one .. that's one way they nailed Jill Meagher's killer, but then he had both phones with him and they travelled together. There is no way she wasn't captured on CCTV somewhere that night .. impossible to avoid in that area IMO. Even around the apartment itself.

 

[Public_Hysteria]

I think they know exactly who did it... I have fairly strong suspicions myself. Like a lot of you, I believe that LE are just trying to lock down every bit of evidence possible, so there is no doubt when an arrest is made.

I do wonder how the perp got away though. With the nature of the attack, I would assume the perp would have been covered in blood. I doubt she would have hung around to shower, I believe she would have known Morgan had a roommate who would likely be home very soon, so I think she left as soon as she was done attacking Morgan. This leads me to believe that she either lived very close by, or had driven herself to Morgan's.

 

[FigTree]

I do wonder how the perp got away though. With the nature of the attack, I would assume the perp would have been covered in blood. I doubt she would have hung around to shower, I believe she would have known Morgan had a roommate who would likely be home very soon, so I think she left as soon as she was done attacking Morgan. This leads me to believe that she either lived very close by, or had driven herself to Morgan's.

I also wondered about the time of the killers escape. Morgan Huxley was still alive after being stabbed when his flat mate found him. How close was the timing before the killer left and the flatmate found him - doesnt sound as if it was long at all.

The Daily telegraph She had just arrived home from a girls night, and soon after walking in the front door of the unit, she told police she was startled by a "gargling" sound and an agonising moan coming from Mr Huxley's room.

2 neck stabs and 28 back stabs are a huge amount of wounds.

How did the killer know when to leave without being caught by the flat mate? - it must have been close for the killer to escape just before the flat mate got home for Morgan to be still alive. The Police say the window of opportunity was 90 minutes - possibly 60 minutes, from the time he got home until he was found. I wonder if the killer was notified somehow to get out before they were caught.


How does a woman stab a man of Huxleys size (190cm & strong) without him retaliating? Had he been bound somehow and then released when the killer thought they couldn't get to them? Had he been drugged - the wounds were to his back, he was possibly face down, maybe he couldn't turn over or around.

Source Herald Sun Associate Professor of Criminology at Queensland's Bond University, Dr Wayne Petherick, said the description of the injuries sustained by Mr Huxley indicated his killing was "very deliberate and very angry".
He said three stab wounds in the neck indicates a victim was either lying down or sitting when they were lunged at.

Also wondered how able the killer was - it doesn't sound as if they were injured. They may also not have blood on their clothes if they were naked at the time of the attack - it would cause a lot of suspicion in Neutral Bay (a woman with blood on her running around the streets).

As for carpaking Neutral Bay is pretty bad - lots of 2 car residentials and units. And the circled search area - did the killer go to escape, or to dump a weapon and return to a place close to the crime? Possibly they live close? Or were panicked and ran? Or was their escape by a vehicle, and was it their vehicle or was someone else driving and on the lookout?

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[michael]

One would think that the killer would be local, or fairly local, as that is how social circles generally work

Just a bit of local flavour: Social circles on the North Shore of Sydney (or the type in question here) are spread out a little bit more, with the gelling factor being usually being a network of friends and hangers-on loosely based around a former private school, rather than geographic. So the "tight-knit" social circle mentioned here still could be spread as far west as Hunters Hill & Lane Cove, and as far north as say Roseville or beyond.

 

[FigTree]

Just a bit of local flavour: Social circles on the North Shore of Sydney (or the type in question here) are spread out a little bit more, with the gelling factor being usually being a network of friends and hangers-on loosely based around a former private school, rather than geographic. So the "tight-knit" social circle mentioned here still could be spread as far west as Hunters Hill & Lane Cove, and as far north as say Roseville or beyond.

A cluster of his social friends and associates would have been possibly at the engagement party he went to as well, prior to him coming home.

 

[michael]

I also wondered about the time of the killers escape. Morgan Huxley was still alive after being stabbed when his flat mate found him. How close was the timing before the killer left and the flatmate found him - doesnt sound as if it was long at all.
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How does a woman stab a man of Huxleys size (190cm & strong) without him retaliating? Had he been bound somehow and then released when the killer thought they couldn't get to them? Had he been drugged - the wounds were to his back, he was possibly face down, maybe he couldn't turn over or around.

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The timing has been bothering me a lot too... Apparently he was dropped off "after midnight" at home.
At 01.01am he rocked into the Oaks and sat and had 2 beers on his own before the pub shut and he left again...
The only way I can make the evidence fit those movements in my head is if his BC was waiting for him when he got home, or arrived very soon after. They had sex. Then had an argument, and he did what I often do in similar situations - left to have a couple of beers, clear the head and let her cool down.
But rather than cool down, she's stewing about their disagreement, getting madder and madder with each minute of his absence.
He gets home around 35 mins later, light is off, he presumes she's asleep, drops the pants, crawls into bed and she rolls over and attacks...

Maybe?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh .. I didn't think of that, you could be right .. the other idea someone suggested is that they decided to leave the engagement party separately so as to not draw attention to the fact that they are hooking up, so he jumps in a cab and heads to the bar until she can wait around for another 30 mins, then when she's close she texts him or they just meet at his at a per-arranged time.

If after sex he said 'you better go' that may have been enough to set off a drunk emotional woman with a personality disorder.

 

[michael]

Well, both those scenarios can still fit together quite neatly...

 

[SouthAussie]

The timing has been bothering me a lot too... Apparently he was dropped off "after midnight" at home.
At 01.01am he rocked into the Oaks and sat and had 2 beers on his own before the pub shut and he left again...
The only way I can make the evidence fit those movements in my head is if his BC was waiting for him when he got home, or arrived very soon after. They had sex. Then had an argument, and he did what I often do in similar situations - left to have a couple of beers, clear the head and let her cool down.
But rather than cool down, she's stewing about their disagreement, getting madder and madder with each minute of his absence.
He gets home around 35 mins later, light is off, he presumes she's asleep, drops the pants, crawls into bed and she rolls over and attacks...

Maybe?

I like this theory .. makes good sense to me.

And maybe Morgan was attacked from behind while sitting on the side of the bed. He had pulled down his pants, sat down to remove them all the way, was in the process of taking his shirt off (hence couldn’t react quickly, as well as an afternoon/evening of booze slowing him down) then the knife wounds to the neck happened, disabling any further movement by Morgan .. other than falling to the floor, where he was found.

Continued frenzied attacks, until the killer had exhausted herself, then she ran .. and ran …

 

[fruity]

I think they know exactly who did it... I have fairly strong suspicions myself. Like a lot of you, I believe that LE are just trying to lock down every bit of evidence possible, so there is no doubt when an arrest is made.

I do wonder how the perp got away though. With the nature of the attack, I would assume the perp would have been covered in blood. I doubt she would have hung around to shower, I believe she would have known Morgan had a roommate who would likely be home very soon, so I think she left as soon as she was done attacking Morgan. This leads me to believe that she either lived very close by, or had driven herself to Morgan's.

I think they know too. They have said they have a good DNA sample from the bedroom so I think they're just dotting their i's and crossing their t's. the fact that they have contacts for all 14 of the women he was involved with at the time of his death should make it easy for them to narrow it down, especially if he contacted her for a booty call the night he was murdered.

 

[Nikki_2]

Am I allowed to ask what was the relationship between the flat mate and Morgan?

She attended the funeral with her boyfriend... As stated in the articles...

I just wonder why he chose a female... Instead of a male.. Flat mate...

:waitasec:

Right... I wonder how her boyfriend felt about them sharing a flat... if Morgan was as alleged a womaniser, what bloke would be comfortable with this...

 

[fruity]

Right... I wonder how her boyfriend felt about them sharing a flat... if Morgan was as alleged a womaniser, what bloke would be comfortable with this...

Morgan's flatmate and her boyfriend both have alibis. Someone else addressed it earlier in the thread, but it isn't uncommon here at all.

 

[Nikki_2]

It is not a great deal of time between him being attacked & when the flatmate came home ( he was still alive)

It could have been someone who knew the movements of both Morgan and his flatmate. I don't really think it was a woman who had gone home with him, had sex & for some reason got in a rage & stabbed him, she would have needed time to compose herself and leave.

I believe it was someone who was angry and had planned this, knowing the exact movements of both him and the flatmate.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

That is a fair point .. he must have been attacked JUST BEFORE she walked in. How long can you survive with neck wounds? Not very long IMO.

 

[fruity]

I totally agree, I was thinking the same thing earlier when I was reading the news stories again. His murderer HAD to have known both Morgan's and Jean's plans. I think she knew her window of time, and planned it according to that timeframe. Otherwise she would have been caught. Surely it couldn't have been sheer luck.

Other things I believe: she was at the funeral, she was waiting for Morgan when he got home because she had been given a key, and she has been reading everything that google brings her way (including this thread, it's on the first page of google results when you search Morgan's name).

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I agree except I think the timing was luck or something else, only because a third party couldn't have known when the flatmate got home, but becoming aware that she was about to walk in may have ended the attack. Honestly .. I still have an open mind about who did this, but I guess the why is answered in this one for once.

 

[michael]

What's the strength of the alibi(s)? If the cause of death was a severed carotid artery (indications are that it was), then presumably the time between the attack and the time he's still "gurgling and choking" is a matter of a few minutes at most. So therefore in my mind the alibi is only good for the hours leading up to the offence, not necessarily the final minutes.
I think that is a very close call between the time the killer attacked and the flatmate found him.... she is very lucky to not have encountered the killer on her way in...