GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #1

fruity · Sep 27, 2013

I too think that it is incredibly unlikely that it was his flatmate. Just moo but I think she is a victim in this too. Imagine having to live with finding and seeing your friend in that situation. She'll live with it for the rest of her life.

It's a good theory that perhaps the murderer was still there when Jean arrived home.

FigTree · Sep 27, 2013

Mr Huxley's mobile phone, which was found at the unit, has been a vital piece of evidence as police continue to untangle the web of his private life.

A log of text messages, as well as incoming and outgoing calls, has helped detectives piece together Mr Huxley's recent personal liaisons.

It doesn't seem that the murderer was too concerned about leaving the phone for the Police to find. Unless there was no phone or text call to connect the killer - maybe the meeting was a verbal face to face arrangement at some time?
Or the murderer was just plain 'not thinking'.

... and I wondered if they were looking for two weapons. The stab wounds to the neck sound as if they were different to the stab wounds to the torso. I cannot find or access the article which made me think this. (The telegraph wont let me look at its articles any more

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michael · Sep 27, 2013

Siri · Sep 27, 2013

Long time lurker of websleuths and first post! Totally gripping case.

Here's my two cents or more:
- IMO flatmate wasn't involved because LE are looking at how killer fled the scene:
"It is understood police have information that the killer fled towards the Clark Rd shops and a local park after leaving Mr Huxley bleeding to death on his bedroom floor."
Source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...of-morgan-huxley/story-fni0cx12-1226727243494

- Also don't think JH was involved. Seemed to have a long term stable relationship with MH in the past and be in good enough standing with his family to speak at funeral. Would they have allowed this if they considered her a psycho ex capable of killing their son? Maybe but I don't think so.

- Probably someone at engagement party. The celebration of a committed relationship in contrast to being a bit on the side might have been too much.

- Doubt it was premeditated. Seems so risky and frantic. Very intrigued why MH was 'left for dead' rather than killed. Was killer interrupted ?

Hope there is an arrest soon especially for his family and friend's sake.

Thanks for all the interesting posts.

michael · Sep 27, 2013

Siri said:
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- Also don't think JH was involved. Seemed to have a long term stable relationship with MH in the past and be in good enough standing with his family to speak at funeral. Would they have allowed this if they considered her a psycho ex capable of killing their son? Maybe but I don't think so.

- Probably someone at engagement party. The celebration of a committed relationship in contrast to being a bit on the side might have been too much.

- Doubt it was premeditated. Seems so risky and frantic. Very intrigued why MH was 'left for dead' rather than killed. Was killer interrupted ?
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Hi, some really good points there! Particularly the last point about not finishing the job!

MamaJoJo · Sep 27, 2013

Siri said:
Long time lurker of websleuths and first post! Totally gripping case.

Here's my two cents or more:
- IMO flatmate wasn't involved because LE are looking at how killer fled the scene:
"It is understood police have information that the killer fled towards the Clark Rd shops and a local park after leaving Mr Huxley bleeding to death on his bedroom floor."
Source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...of-morgan-huxley/story-fni0cx12-1226727243494

- Also don't think JH was involved. Seemed to have a long term stable relationship with MH in the past and be in good enough standing with his family to speak at funeral. Would they have allowed this if they considered her a psycho ex capable of killing their son? Maybe but I don't think so.

- Probably someone at engagement party. The celebration of a committed relationship in contrast to being a bit on the side might have been too much.

- Doubt it was premeditated. Seems so risky and frantic. Very intrigued why MH was 'left for dead' rather than killed. Was killer interrupted ?

Hope there is an arrest soon especially for his family and friend's sake.

Thanks for all the interesting posts.

Welcome, Siri!

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Strangeworld · Sep 27, 2013

Welcome Siri!

I think the number of injuries would suggest the killer assumed Morgan was dead, or was going to die. 28 wounds suggest a pretty sustained attack, even if some of the wounds weren't deep. And he would have been gushing blood from his neck (sorry - graphic).

What is sad is that if the killer lost control, and it wasn't premeditated, they may have been able to save his life if they had called 000, even anonymously.

SouthAussie · Sep 27, 2013

Horribly enough, I just did a little test (no, I didn’t stab anything – just punched using various degrees of force, and naturally slowing throughout the process) and it could have taken Morgan’s attacker as little as 40 seconds to complete the attack .. and I certainly wasn't frenzied.

Maybe a little longer if she switched weapons, as FigTree suggested above, as the neck wounds were significantly different to the back wounds. Or perhaps the weapon wasn’t changed, and just broke off after the neck wounds and became less effective on Morgan’s back. (Oh .. poor Morgan

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And if Jean was home sleeping during the attack, maybe she heard something going on and awoke, called out ‘Morgan, is that you?’ and the killer then stopped and fled.

(Thanks for all the media links, michael :seeya: )

Public_Hysteria · Sep 27, 2013

Some very good theories here. And a big welcome to Siri!

:welcome:

I'm not entirely sure (as per the conflicting MSM reports) as to whether the housemate was home at the time, or came home and discovered him. I think if she were at home, she could have been woken by the killer fleeing from the apartment, or maybe even Morgan shouted out. If she were asleep, it wouldn't be obvious what had woken her... I know there's been times that I've been jolted awake by something, but because I was asleep when the noise happened it wasn't immediately apparent what woke me. If the roommate were asleep and woken by a noise, the first thing she heard after that was the 'gurgling' coming from Morgan's room... so she went and checked on him. I think this is probably more likely, otherwise there just seems to be too small a time frame between her arriving home just at the right moment to find him still alive after the wounds that were inflicted on him. I don't suspect her at all, the poor thing, this memory will stay with her for life. I hope she has a strong support system to help her deal with this horrible situation.

I don't believe the attack was premeditated. It seems to frenzied, to have 28 stab wounds leads me to believe it was an attack in the heat of the moment. I do think that it was a booty call turned wrong, but I'm still undecided whether the attack came before or after sex. If before, it's possible Morgan said something which made her snap (not blaming the victim at all), possibly about another woman, or something indicating the relationship was not as serious as the perp thought it was. Maybe she'd been at the engagement party or had a few drinks herself, which made her more emotional. If after (which I believe more likely), he may have asked her to leave by a certain time, or even (again) mentioned something about another woman... maybe he got a text message from someone while they were together. This could have set her off, and she found something close by and attacked him. I believe the attack happened and was over too quickly for Morgan to respond and try to defend himself, especially if one of the first wounds was to his neck, as they seem to be the deepest (and the most deadly).

Whatever the case, the perp had to have fled as soon as the attack was over, for his roommate to find him still alive. Does he have a window in his room that she could have escaped out of? If I'm correct, and the attack wasn't premeditated, I think whoever did this would have freaked out over what they had just done, and gotten out of there as soon as they could. Of course, her fleeing through the house could have been what woke the roommate. This really strikes me as a heat of the moment act of passion, than something that was planned.

Public_Hysteria · Sep 27, 2013

I also believe that the killer was at the funeral. I definitely don't suspect the ex that gave the eulogy though. She seems to be a close friend of his, and she doesn't strike me as the type to carry out something like this. I have a good friend who is an ex of mine, we decided we were better as friends, and we're really close now. This relationship strikes me as very similar to this.

My thoughts are with all of his loved ones, this is definitely a horrible thing to have to go through.

Strangeworld · Sep 27, 2013

I wonder if any of the women Morgan was seeing, or may have met that day, have any injuries or signs of a struggle. Like broken fingernails, cuts on her hands, bruising, etc. Didn't Jodi Arias have cuts on her hands after she murdered Travis?

This in an interesting quote from the Telegraph:

Police are still awaiting detailed scientific and DNA analysis of the crime scene to work out who may have been in Mr Huxley's bedroom moments before he was killed, which can be indicated through the presence of blood belonging to someone other than the victim.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-stabbing-victim/story-fni0cx12-1226723178917

michael · Sep 27, 2013

SouthAussie said:
Horribly enough, I just did a little test (no, I didnt stab anything just punched using various degrees of force, and naturally slowing throughout the process) and it could have taken Morgans attacker as little as 40 seconds to complete the attack .. and I certainly wasn't frenzied.

Maybe a little longer if she switched weapons, as FigTree suggested above, as the neck wounds were significantly different to the back wounds.
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OK, so taking this and a couple of other recent suggestions into account, perhaps the killer makes 3 strong, fast, deep stabs to the neck - as the forensic doctor mentioned in one of the articles, these would have ultimately been the fatal ones, and would have happened so fast that Morgan wouldn't have known what's going on until after the third strike. So his reaction is probably shock and confusion, and probably more focused on holding his wound and wondering WTF than defending himself at this stage. Perhaps the killer has stepped back now to avoid retaliation. So she waits for him to stop moving, but although he's down, he is still alive, so she strikes a few more times, now a bit more cautiously and in the back. And still he is moving so she strikes a few more times - by now, the strikes getting softer as emotion and/or reality start sinking in, possibly frustrated that he's still moving. The news reported that the back wounds were both shallow stabs and slashes - perhaps in her desparate confused state she paused and changed grip a few times until either she broke down with emotion, or realised that she'd better get out before she gets found, or has heard the housemate come home and started planning a sneaky exit while the housemate is in her bedroom or bathroom.

Strangeworld said:
I wonder if any of the women Morgan was seeing, or may have met that day, have any injuries or signs of a struggle.

I do recall seeing a crime doco where an expert said that it's nearly impossible to commit a frenzied knife attack without cutting one's self somewhere in the process. So yes, would be interesting. Would they need a warrant to ask a potential suspect to roll up their sleeves or take their top off?

FigTree · Sep 27, 2013

SouthAussie said:
Horribly enough, I just did a little test (no, I didn’t stab anything – just punched using various degrees of force, and naturally slowing throughout the process) and it could have taken Morgan’s attacker as little as 40 seconds to complete the attack .. and I certainly wasn't frenzied.

Maybe a little longer if she switched weapons, as FigTree suggested above, as the neck wounds were significantly different to the back wounds. Or perhaps the weapon wasn’t changed, and just broke off after the neck wounds and became less effective on Morgan’s back. (Oh .. poor Morgan )

Yes, that's a possibility too - a broken weapon.

I suppose there could be the possibility of a weapon in both hands? To go from the neck to the torso (with a smaller implement) is interesting. The msm had said it was a knife to the back. It must have had a small blade length - 28 stabs with a long blade would be severe over-ride and possibly Morgan would have died instantly with just one of them.
But a short blade which has been used 28 times and for Morgan to be still alive - how short is short? Nail file short? penknife short? A job for Forensics.

I also wondered if Police had checked the water shore line around the parks - there is access to Sydney Harbour and drainage from a few points - even to throw the weapon into the water.

I also wondered about what would enrage someone so severely to send them off the deep-end - maybe Morgan Laughed at them.

Another question I pondered - if Morgan was still conscious when they had him in the ambulance i wonder if they asked him for a name.

And one more... I wonder if anything was stolen from Morgan.

Enough for now.

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SouthAussie · Sep 27, 2013

FigTree said:
But a short blade which has been used 28 times and for Morgan to be still alive - how short is short? Nail file short? penknife short? A job for Forensics..

RSBM

Stanley knife short? I'm still thinking that tools laying in his bedroom might have been used.

michael · Sep 27, 2013

Or the first 3 stabs to the neck took place while he was on the bed (as the evidence suggests), and the remaining 25 stabs and slashes to the back took place while he was on the ground. If the killer is trying to avoid getting too much blood on herself, she would have to remain standing, or squatting, but either way, it seems to be an awkward position to stab hard from - from standing on one's feet and stabbing close to the ground. Certainly wouldn't be able to get the same strength into the strikes as you would if the target is at bed height.

FigTree · Sep 27, 2013

michael said:
OK, so taking this and a couple of other recent suggestions into account, perhaps the killer makes 3 strong, fast, deep stabs to the neck - as the forensic doctor mentioned in one of the articles, these would have ultimately been the fatal ones, and would have happened so fast that Morgan wouldn't have known what's going on until after the third strike. So his reaction is probably shock and confusion, and probably more focused on holding his wound and wondering WTF than defending himself at this stage.

With the greatest respect to your post michael (they've been great) - I have a problem with the no reaction no defense scenario - as the only wounds mentioned are the ones inflicted on Morgan, there are no reports his hands were cut up or arms, legs, stomach were slashed trying to defend himself.

I can understand the first strike taking a person by surprise, especially if they are asleep or relaxed, blindfolded or with their eyes closed, or with the lights off - which reminds me: Was the light in Morgans room on or off when he was discovered? None of the reports say that - maybe it wasn't asked.

I cannot imagine that a person will take stabs through the skin without some effort to defend themselves - even rolling over if they cant use their hands - the stabs would not have been all concentrated to the back - the legs would come up to kick, the knees would bend, the body would revulse. Its a flight/flight response. Not a freeze response. I wonder if they were sitting on the back side of the body when the attack occurred - or how un/conscious was Morgan at the time of the stabbing.

Was the T-shirt stabbed through?

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FigTree · Sep 27, 2013

Strangeworld said:
I wonder if any of the women Morgan was seeing, or may have met that day, have any injuries or signs of a struggle. Like broken fingernails, cuts on her hands, bruising, etc. Didn't Jodi Arias have cuts on her hands after she murdered Travis?

This in an interesting quote from the Telegraph:

Police are still awaiting detailed scientific and DNA analysis of the crime scene to work out who may have been in Mr Huxley's bedroom moments before he was killed, which can be indicated through the presence of blood belonging to someone other than the victim.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-stabbing-victim/story-fni0cx12-1226723178917

Bolded by me...
'Moments before' - so are they saying the person wasn't in the bedroom long?

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FigTree · Sep 27, 2013

SouthAussie said:
RSBM

Stanley knife short? I'm still thinking that tools laying in his bedroom might have been used.

Yes - good point. They also have a snap-off blade. it could account for a deep wound and then other wounds not so deep from the same implement if the blade had either retracted back into the handle slightly or snapped - but they are a short blade to begin with.

Just a fly in the ointment though - Stanley knives slice as well. One msm report mentioned slashes as well as stabs, but mainly stabs. If it was a stanley knife, JMO, I think the person would have had to have been positioned over his back so as not to drag the stanley knife blade.
(sorry, I hope I'm not offending anyone, the intention isn't to be gruesome, I apologize )

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michael · Sep 27, 2013

FigTree said:
I have a problem with the no reaction no defense scenario - as the only wounds mentioned are the ones inflicted on Morgan, there are no reports his hands were cut up or arms, legs, stomach were slashed trying to defend himself.

I totally agree. There should be defense wounds, but none have been reported. I'm trying to think of a reason why...

I can understand the first strike taking a person by surprise, ...
I cannot imagine that a person will take stabs through the skin without some effort to defend themselves...

In this article: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...va-morgan-huxley/story-fni0cx12-1226724096453
Associate Professor of Criminology at Queensland's Bond University, Dr Wayne Petherick, said the description of the injuries sustained by Mr Huxley indicated his killing was "very deliberate and very angry".

He said three stab wounds in the neck indicates a victim was either lying down or sitting when they were lunged at.

"Three in the same location on the body is a very fast attacked. He's been stabbed a third time before he's even registered what's happening," Dr Petherick said.

I wonder if they were sitting on the back side of the body when the attack occurred - or how un/conscious was Morgan at the time of the stabbing.
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His level of consciousness may have been influenced by the first triple strike to the neck and subsequent blood loss - maybe it immobilised him?

All speculation of course, seeing what scenario we can come up with that "fits" the evidence we are aware of.... :fence:

FigTree · Sep 27, 2013

michael said:
Or the first 3 stabs to the neck took place while he was on the bed (as the evidence suggests), and the remaining 25 stabs and slashes to the back took place while he was on the ground. If the killer is trying to avoid getting too much blood on herself, she would have to remain standing, or squatting, but either way, it seems to be an awkward position to stab hard from - from standing on one's feet and stabbing close to the ground. Certainly wouldn't be able to get the same strength into the strikes as you would if the target is at bed height.

Yes I can understand this scenario. To add to this, I think if Morgan was on the bed and then rolled off to get out of the way, he may have been up against the side of the bed trying to protect his front side into the base of the bed or under the bed *and why he was found on the floor.

Just my pondering aloud. That would also make me think... the back wounds weren't from a heel like a stiletto were they? Two legs puncturing him in a frantic kicking manner - I can see the legs being very vicious with a sharp spiked heel if the other person was also on the floor back to the wall and lashing out at him if he was lying on the floor.
The neck wounds may have been with a different implement still - enough to incapacitate him and get him to respond - roll, duck and cover.

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