GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #2

[Strangeworld]

While I agree with pretty much all your observation there, Isis, I think those words 'geeky', 'nerdy' etc., hold quite different connotations these days - in that being geeky is the new cool, and really something to proudly identify with as a subculture rather than terms of insult.

Well, in my crowd these days it is, ahaha, so no disrespect is meant by them here. If I use those terms by way of comparison, I'm speaking to possible self-perceptions rather than personal judgement, or as a subculture identifier.

But I see what you're saying, and tend to agree. Some kids are just not able to be a duck's back of water when it comes to others' perceptions, accurate or surmised.

- Aus (proud geek) :B

Ausgirl, totally know what you mean. That's why I hated using those terms in my last post. It all depends on the context. I love to embrace my inner introvert (not a gamer, but still think I'm nerdy!!). I reckon the media will really play on the 'geeky nerdy' stuff to try and highlight how different he was to Morgan.

 

[SouthAussie]

Firstly, this is not judgement on anyone's comments at all - as the same thoughts sprang into my mind as soon as I saw who was arrested.

So, I'm a Clinical Psychologist who specialised in working with adolescents (until I had children and went into private practice) - and I've just got to say that all of the judgements about DJK being 'nerdy', 'weedy', 'geeky' are very telling. It's what would have happened for him his whole life, I suspect. And it definitely would have worn him down. (combined with other stuff, I'm sure - this doesn't erupt out of nowhere!)

Even the way he has been compared unfavourably to MH, would have been familiar to him. He is just so far from the 'popular' guy that MH seems to represent. It's these kids, as we saw in Columbine, who just build and build rage inside and then explode.

Just my thoughts :twocents:

Very much agree ... always remember my mum saying to me 'watch out for the quiet ones, you never know where they're coming from'.

 

[MsAnais]

While I agree with pretty much all your observation there, Isis, I think those words 'geeky', 'nerdy' etc., hold quite different connotations these days - in that being geeky is the new cool, and really something to proudly identify with as a subculture rather than terms of insult.

Well, in my crowd these days it is, ahaha, so no disrespect is meant by them here. If I use those terms by way of comparison, I'm speaking to possible self-perceptions rather than personal judgement, or as a subculture identifier.

But I see what you're saying, and tend to agree. Some kids are just not able to be a duck's back of water when it comes to others' perceptions, accurate or surmised.

- Aus (proud geek) :B

Good point Ausgirl. I see what you're saying. And I'm glad, glad, glad that it's all changing.

I last worked with teenagers 8 years ago, so maybe things have changed lots between then and now - back then lots of my clients really struggled with feeling vilified for being different. It wasn't until they left the hell of their high schools that they started to see they could find other people who would accept them - but often the scarring was very deep by that point.

But what you've said gives me optimism and hope that things have improved!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

That's what I wonder.. And it's so heart breaking

There is still that evidence of sexual activity to fit into the picture though. And the 1½ hours between them walking home till Morgan was found dying. Police said that everything was contained to the bedroom.

 

[Ausgirl]

Sorry, OT for a moment - Isis, if you're sticking around WS (and I hope you do!) please consider becoming a 'verified insider' (there's a post on that somewhere.. I've had too little coffee yet to go looking for it) which is basically just an acknowledgement of your professional status as a clinician.

I never did practise as a psychologist, but continued to study for my own interest. I think having a few experienced practitioners around is very valuable to a site like this. Not putting the pressure on, eh. Just sayin'.

Mrs. G - thanks for sharing that story, very interesting. I think perhaps the guy I spoke of had shown his colours to a few others in my own crowd prior, so they did believe me.. but I can so see how some would find it hard to correlate the 'nice guy' with what can only be called predatory behaviour.

Reminds me of Ed Kemper, the nicest serial killer in the world... FBI profilers have said they found themselves liking him, as did the cops he hung with during the Co-Ed Killings. Though I think he's a very extreme example.

 

[sundaymorning123]

I cant find a book cover on the net for the magician if someone comes across it can they post it if its not too much trouble someone else sujested silverthorn which one do you think it is?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Knew it wasn't the King James Bible Michael

I admit... My first thought was a Bible, too...

 

[Ausgirl]

Good point Ausgirl. I see what you're saying. And I'm glad, glad, glad that it's all changing.

I last worked with teenagers 8 years ago, so maybe things have changed lots between then and now - back then lots of my clients really struggled with feeling vilified for being different. It wasn't until they left the hell of their high schools that they started to see they could find other people who would accept them - but often the scarring was very deep by that point.

But what you've said gives me optimism and hope that things have improved!!!

Well. Sadly, I am not sure they have.. People will always find a way to marginalise others, if that's what they want to do. And it doesn't matter how 'in' being geeky is, I suppose, if you're the only geek in town. I am glad that much has been done to raise awareness of the effects of bullying, whatever the flavour of it.

OT - but I am sooo happy that shows like 'Big Bang Theory' and even a lot of crime shows now, show 'geeky' people in a very favourable light. The Sheldons and Spencer Reeds of the world might be better understood because of them. (I'd so have loved to have a Spencer Reed in my crowd, at his age.. how adorable is he?)

eta - I forgot Penny Garcia, shame on me - she's my favourite.

 

[Northern Beaches]

To me it seems that DJK was out to do no good on the night that MH was murdered. I'm thinking that MH wasn't even a specific target but he was somebody that DJK recognised and DJK took the opportunity to make him his victim. A 'loner' walking around residential and public streets with knives late on a Saturday night is a scary thought.

I'm very open minded on the topic of whether or not they had sexual contact. When I saw photos of DJK on the day of his arrest I got the idea that DJK just wouldn't meet the standards that I expected MH to have. That really is the only thing holding me back from believing that there was any sex between the two on the night.

The image that I have of Morgan is that he may have been a man who preferred ladies in any given situation but also felt comfortable receiving oral sex from a man. It is possible that he may have received oral sex from DJK out of convenience rather than actually being attracted to him.

On the larceny charge. It must have been a fair sum of money that he stole for that charge to be applied. I'm talking in excess of $1000 that MH may have taken home from business dealings. When I first heard of the larceny charge I had thought that maybe DJK had stolen MH's wallet. With the ID of MH in possession of DJK it would make it much more easier to apply a charge of larceny.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Yes it's a typo from the article .. I didn't correct it because it's a direct quote

Oh...,I wasn't referring to you has having made the typo...

I read the "01" in the article... And thought I may be missing some meanings of terms!

:seeya:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hi everyone! :seeya: I've been a lurker from the beginning - you've all had such fantastic insights that I felt I didn't have anything to add. But now I'm jumping in!

Firstly, Jmbr I too have a partner who doesn't get the obsession. That's why this forum is so fantastic for us!! He's a little creeped out by my interest in all things forensic.

And I agree that the police seem to be dropping subtle clues re the possible involvement of a woman. Early on after the arrest, one of the newspaper reports quoted the police as saying they are looking into the possible involvement of a female (but I think that's now been amended and removed - hard to keep track as they just update the same web article). Does anyone remember that? I suspect they know something more than what they're saying (as has obviously been the case all along!).

:wagon: Isisrising! :welcome:

Beautiful butterfly in your avatar!

:seeya:

 

[SouthAussie]

I cant find a book cover on the net for the magician if someone comes across it can they post it if its not too much trouble someone else sujested silverthorn which one do you think it is?

If you look a couple of pages back in the thread, marlywings posted a picture of the book cover. It is pretty big, so you should see it easily, even on a phone.

(Post #339 it is)

 

[Nikki_2]

While I agree with pretty much all your observation there, Isis, I think those words 'geeky', 'nerdy' etc., hold quite different connotations these days - in that being geeky is the new cool, and really something to proudly identify with as a subculture rather than terms of insult.

Well, in my crowd these days it is, ahaha, so no disrespect is meant by them here. If I use those terms by way of comparison, I'm speaking to possible self-perceptions rather than personal judgement, or as a subculture identifier.

But I see what you're saying, and tend to agree. Some kids are just not able to be a duck's back of water when it comes to others' perceptions, accurate or surmised.

- Aus (proud geek) :B

LOL - Aus, totally agree with you there, we all call our pc guru 'Nerdy', most ppl don't even know his real name, he is extremely liked by us all & included in all activities, by us calling him nerdy, we totally acknowledge his professional ability & his superiority when it comes to ' all things geeky', your right, geeky/nerdy is trendy & its meaning has changed in leaps and bounds

 

[Ausgirl]

Welcome, Northern Beaches! (I am loving all these new people, many Aussies too.. sad we're meeting under these circumstances, but still.. )

I'm really curious about the larceny charge too - someone was wondering a while ago how the police knew he'd stolen money.. I thought maybe there was blood on it, but a wallet makes perfect sense!

 

[Ausgirl]

People who can't accept certain traits in themselves may often try to mix with others who don't get these traits - like the nerdy guy trying to run with the cool crowd (sorry, this sounds really stereotypical, but helps to explain my point). They don't get positive reinforcement for who they are, every day may be a struggle to fit in, they fight against the traits they don't like in themselves and that they perceive others don't like in them. This can create a lot of angst.

I wonder if this has happened to him? Taking the MSM reports at face value, he was trying to create a persona that wasn't real. Was this just delusional, was it part of a stalking attempt, or was it just to try and fit in and change who he was, even if only in fantasy?

BBM ('bolded by me' - for the newcomers)

Really astute observations, SW. It's self-perception that counts for everything, isn't it?

 

[SouthAussie]

On the larceny charge. It must have been a fair sum of money that he stole for that charge to be applied. I'm talking in excess of $1000 that MH may have taken home from business dealings. When I first heard of the larceny charge I had thought that maybe DJK had stolen MH's wallet. With the ID of MH in possession of DJK it would make it much more easier to apply a charge of larceny.

Welcome Northern Beaches! Are you a local? Good to have you here.

RSBM

With regard to larceny, it seems that in NSW all larceny charges are considered the same .. no $ value attached to the offense. Though other states do attach a $ value - such as Qld. (Was looking at this last night to see if I could get some hints about what was taken.)


"Are all stealing offences the same?

In a word, yes. All larcenies are treated the same in the eyes of the law with no differentiating between the nature of what was taken according to s 116 of the Crimes Act in New South Wales and Victoria. In contrast, Queensland has a clear value distinction in relation to theft."

http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4239/stealing-and-theft-offences-explained.aspx

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

To me it seems that DJK was out to do no good on the night that MH was murdered. I'm thinking that MH wasn't even a specific target but he was somebody that DJK recognised and DJK took the opportunity to make him his victim. A 'loner' walking around residential and public streets with knives late on a Saturday night is a scary thought.

I'm very open minded on the topic of whether or not they had sexual contact. When I saw photos of DJK on the day of his arrest I got the idea that DJK just wouldn't meet the standards that I expected MH to have. That really is the only thing holding me back from believing that there was any sex between the two on the night.

The image that I have of Morgan is that he may have been a man who preferred ladies in any given situation but also felt comfortable receiving oral sex from a man. It is possible that he may have received oral sex from DJK out of convenience rather than actually being attracted to him.

On the larceny charge. It must have been a fair sum of money that he stole for that charge to be applied. I'm talking in excess of $1000 that MH may have taken home from business dealings. When I first heard of the larceny charge I had thought that maybe DJK had stolen MH's wallet. With the ID of MH in possession of DJK it would make it much more easier to apply a charge of larceny.

:wagon: Northern Beaches! :welcome:

Yes... The charge of larceny is puzzling to me, too...(as is this WHOLE case!)

I wonder how LE knew there was money/possessions that were taken... As MH obviously... And sadly... Could not report this...

:seeya:

 

[Strangeworld]

Well. Sadly, I am not sure they have.. People will always find a way to marginalise others, if that's what they want to do. And it doesn't matter how 'in' being geeky is, I suppose, if you're the only geek in town. I am glad that much has been done to raise awareness of the effects of bullying, whatever the flavour of it.

OT - but I am sooo happy that shows like 'Big Bang Theory' and even a lot of crime shows now, show 'geeky' people in a very favourable light. The Sheldons and Spencer Reeds of the world might be better understood because of them. (I'd so have loved to have a Spencer Reed in my crowd, at his age.. how adorable is he?)

eta - I forgot Penny Garcia, shame on me - she's my favourite.

Oh Spencer Reed. Weird, geeky, brainy....wonderful!! :blushing:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

There is still that evidence of sexual activity to fit into the picture though. And the 1½ hours between them walking home till Morgan was found dying. Police said that everything was contained to the bedroom.

Exactly. And, as always, 'the devil's in the detail'.

We might know more after next week's mention. Depends what the accused decides to do regards any plea.

 

[MsAnais]

To me it seems that DJK was out to do no good on the night that MH was murdered. I'm thinking that MH wasn't even a specific target but he was somebody that DJK recognised and DJK took the opportunity to make him his victim. A 'loner' walking around residential and public streets with knives late on a Saturday night is a scary thought.

I'm very open minded on the topic of whether or not they had sexual contact. When I saw photos of DJK on the day of his arrest I got the idea that DJK just wouldn't meet the standards that I expected MH to have. That really is the only thing holding me back from believing that there was any sex between the two on the night.

The image that I have of Morgan is that he may have been a man who preferred ladies in any given situation but also felt comfortable receiving oral sex from a man. It is possible that he may have received oral sex from DJK out of convenience rather than actually being attracted to him.

On the larceny charge. It must have been a fair sum of money that he stole for that charge to be applied. I'm talking in excess of $1000 that MH may have taken home from business dealings. When I first heard of the larceny charge I had thought that maybe DJK had stolen MH's wallet. With the ID of MH in possession of DJK it would make it much more easier to apply a charge of larceny.

Welcome Northern Beaches!!

Really interesting what you're saying re larceny and MH's wallet. I had been wondering how the police would know he stole - and that would definitely explain it!

In regards to who MH would be sexually attracted to, I think none of us can really know that. He may well have liked men who are femme and boyish but women who are glamourous. Sexual attraction can be a weird, non-logical thing!!!