Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #8

[pebige]

I found this interesting as his wife didn't know he was camping with another woman.
Wife of missing camper had no idea he had gone on a trip with another woman | Daily Mail Online

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[Sillybilly]

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[Cliff Hardy]

There was mention earlier (thread #7) of the prosecution not having an explanation for how Russell Hill was killed. Dann also peddled that one out in the courtroom.

There's a good reason for that. It is because the 'victim' of the 'sequence of unfortunate events' did everything he possibly could to destroy every last bit of evidence, including the 2 bodies, and readily admits it.

Thing is, there is no onus on the prosecution to explain the method of the murder. Think Chris Dawson case.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/next-steps-for-jury-in-former-jetstar-captains-double-murder-trial-over-russell-hill-and-carol-clay-deaths/news-story/9bc5d4c3a1ffa55b63a592182ee1caaa

Jury expected to retire to consider verdict before lunchtime.

For our not in Australia members, it's now 9.25 am, so lunchtime is in a few hours time.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/next-steps-for-jury-in-former-jetstar-captains-double-murder-trial-over-russell-hill-and-carol-clay-deaths/news-story/9bc5d4c3a1ffa55b63a592182ee1caaa

Jury expected to retire to consider verdict before lunchtime.

For our not in Australia members, it's now 9.25 am, so lunchtime is in a few hours time.

I'll go out on a limb and say a guilty verdict will be delivered today.

 

[angelalansbury]

So I am at a loss as to why Manslaughter is off the table.
I would have thought that a reasonable conclusion/theory might be that Greg and Russ got in argument, Greg killed him but intent can't be proved so manslaughter, but then greg had to remove the only witness (intent)- so Murder.

Why is manslaughter off the table?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I just can't see a not guilty verdict.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I just can't see a not guilty verdict.

The only chance I can see of that happening is if one juror, for whatever reason, just won't budge and it ends up locked at 11-1. It happens. Let's just hope it doesn't happen here.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Google search

Does a jury have to be unanimous in Australia?

Unanimous verdicts are required for all offences heard by a jury in Queensland, New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory.

So maybe not the same in Victoria.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Google search

Does a jury have to be unanimous in Australia?

Unanimous verdicts are required for all offences heard by a jury in Queensland, New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory.

So maybe not the same in Victoria.

46(4) amended by No. 61/2001 s. 15(1). (4) A verdict that the accused is guilty or not guilty of murder or treason or an offence against section 71 or 72 of the Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act 1981 or an offence against a law of the Commonwealth must be unanimous.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ja200097/s46.html%23:~:text%3D46(4)%2520amended%2520by%2520No,the%2520Commonwealth%2520must%2520be%2520unanimous.&ved=2ahUKEwjs2uT49NmGAxVXfWwGHUiHAmIQFnoECA0QBQ&usg=AOvVaw1lAEMPM3JJ_tyO7dXoJx3A

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I had been wondering if this trial accepts a majority verdict or only accepts a unanimous one.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

There's my tenterhooks feeling again.

 

[Skyboy90]

Any word on what’s happening? I assume the judge is still giving comments?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I've been searching and searching.
I'm surprised at the lack of any journalist doing live updates anywhere.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

New episode of The Missing Campers Podcast Dated yesterday

‎The Missing Campers Trial on Apple Podcasts

‎True Crime · 2024

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Why I'm thinking we might get a verdict today :

1/Having followed the case as closely as time would allow, I cannot come to any other conclusion than GL murdered both RH and CC. That's where it all points and I suspect the jurors have made up their mind prior to being dispatched to the jury room.

2/ When I sat on a jury, admittedly years ago, the rules at the time were that if you were still deliberating at the close of Friday you spent the entire weekend alone in a hotel room. I can't remember exactly how long we deliberated for but when we were told early Friday afternoon that if we hadn't reached a verdict by the end of the day, let's just say we got a bit keener to reach a verdict. Now that rule may not apply any more. Don't know?

 

[Cliff Hardy]

New episode of The Missing Campers Podcast Dated yesterday

‎The Missing Campers Trial on Apple Podcasts

‎True Crime · 2024

podcasts.apple.com

Listened to it driving home last night and Dann was making my blood boil. He started out in his summing up accusing Porceddu of playing dirty chess and then proceeded to play his own dirtier chess. He's no fool and I'm sure, like the rest of us, he suspects GL is as guilty as sin but he has to do everything he can to muddy the water.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yes I had been thinking that the jury might not want the trial to drag over to the next week.
One of my reasons was that right now, the summing up by both sides and judges remarks are fresh in their minds.

I had also wondered if they would be allowed to go home during their deliberations or put up in a hotel.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Listened to it driving home last night and Dann was making my blood boil.

I haven't listened to it yet but did read enough about what he said and that is putting me off listening but I think I will listen to it.