Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[Beagle]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-to-his-byron-bay-hostel-20190608-p51vrb.html

Serious concerns are held for the whereabouts of a Belgian backpacker who has been missing for more than a week, after he failed to return to his hostel in Byron Bay.

Theo Hayez, 18, was reported missing on Thursday by staff at the Byron Bay WakeUp! Backpacker hostel, when they noticed he had not checked out of his room.

Thread #1 - Australia - Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

 

[Matlock]

In the last thread was a very good explanation by 'Peralta' of how phone pings work (I can't load it up here because the thread closed)

If you are still out there Peralta, if Theo texted his friend at 12.20am, then let's say he finished the text at 12.25am and then the phone went into sleep mode at 12.30am, then 8 hours after this would be 8.30am (you said the tower would look for a ping 8 hours after when a phone goes into sleep mode.) If this is the case then why didn't it ping at 8.30am? And if it pinged at 1.40pm, then 8 hours previous to that would have been 5.30am?

I think that the phone may have been on the rocks in sleep mode and the ping was the phone restarting or switching itself off. I read that an Oppo phone (maybe all phones?) can restart or switch itself off if in a very cold or hot environment.

Over time it would have got colder and colder on the rocks till it finally restarted and pinged or switched off and eventually washed away with the tide or pinged as it hit the freezing temperature of the water.

 

[mussopossum]

From thread 1
So here it says Theo's phone was found the following day near the lighthouse.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news-...arching-all-avenues-are-still-being-explored/
This can't be right, maybe a typo, they meant phone pinged next day?

The phone still appears in the search poster on the LFTH Fb pages.

To be honest I would not discount that it has already been found and for tactical reasons not released by the police and MSM.

That phone could hold some very valuable a) messages, b) video recording and c) notes etc that could be a clue as to what has happened to Theo.

The police have managed to get copy of his route that night I am not sure if it was released in MSM that this route actually came from Google Maps or some other location app?

Google would have had to hand over this information with a warrant from police I imagine if this happened OR someone such as his father or mother or girlfriend (if she is indeed still his girlfriend) may have known password to Theos account and logged in to a laptop with it (unlikely)

So it is very possible that his phone has already been found however it would not explain the desperate attempts by police and family to get Whats App to cooperate early on to get access to his messages and account as they likely would already have had this on the phone.

I am not sure in regards to the unlocking of this particular phone and how it could be over ridden by police should they have found it though.

 

[Rocket333]

From thread 1
So here it says Theo's phone was found the following day near the lighthouse.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news-...arching-all-avenues-are-still-being-explored/
This can't be right, maybe a typo, they meant phone pinged next day?

The phone still appears in the search poster on the LFTH Fb pages.

To be honest I would not discount that it has already been found and for tactical reasons not released by the police and MSM.

That phone could hold some very valuable a) messages, b) video recording and c) notes etc that could be a clue as to what has happened to Theo.

The police have managed to get copy of his route that night I am not sure if it was released in MSM that this route actually came from Google Maps or some other location app?

Google would have had to hand over this information with a warrant from police I imagine if this happened OR someone such as his father or mother or girlfriend (if she is indeed still his girlfriend) may have known password to Theos account and logged in to a laptop with it (unlikely)

So it is very possible that his phone has already been found however it would not explain the desperate attempts by police and family to get Whats App to cooperate early on to get access to his messages and account as they likely would already have had this on the phone.

I am not sure in regards to the unlocking of this particular phone and how it could be over ridden by police should they have found it though.

I agree. What we’re not privy to is the really significant bits. His phone may very well have been found and handed in by searchers, or by the police themselves. If found I’m sceptical it was really early on as they kept putting the search for it out there, however the urgency has now stopped. Alternatively if found early, the police may just have kept a lid on it. It’d be hard to keep it under wraps though if found by the public, as people talk (as with finding the cap).
If the phone has been found, the police would have gone through it and viewed any messages. A possibility is they have the messages and info on the what’s app chats, and are investigating, even triangulating data. Maybe they know the phone was removed from the beach. However the trail it emitted ended at the corner, and pinged only once more before going silent.

As we know from other cases, the police go quiet when they have no leads/updates, or they are busy detecting and don’t want interference. We as the public only get the aha moments when breakthroughs occur, like arrests or a need for public input.
I’m getting the human interference vibe again with this case. I’m intrigued as to why a very thorough and deep search of the Tallow corner doesn’t seem to have occurred by people, dogs and tech. Maybe it’s because there’s intel suggesting he isn’t there. We just don’t have all the pieces.

 

[Rocket333]

Hoodie graphic
- from Billabong’s Lucas Beaufort collection and confirmed by LB.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is open again.

Reminder: Do not discuss individuals who have not officially been named a POI/suspect by LE.

 

[mussopossum]

No new MSM on Theo and no new clues.

I feel like we will never know what happened....

 

[Via Marple]

No new MSM on Theo and no new clues.

I feel like we will never know what happened....

Plenty still happening at the LFTH FB page though. They are going to use an Oppo phone similar to Theo's, to test his route locations.

On the other hand, today at the discussion group, a very involved member clarified that there was no confirmed route of Theo's, in fact there are a few circulating.

So ... I wonder which one they will be testing?

 

[mussopossum]

Plenty still happening at the LFTH FB page though. They are going to use an Oppo phone similar to Theo's, to test his route locations.

On the other hand, today at the discussion group, a very involved member clarified that there was no confirmed route of Theo's, in fact there are a few circulating.

So ... I wonder which one they will be testing?

Yes I saw that too.

IMO, I don't believe that he went into that accommodation though that many have hinted based on the MSM map that was released of Theos walk that night. I did the route based on the map that was released MSM showing where he walked. I gps-ed each street and stop to what I could get matched on that map. I had him at crossing the street at Carlisle however my gps locator had it only at standing on corner Carlisle and Cowper and going no further in the direction the house. I took photos of the gps location on my walk and also photos of where that was located.

 

[Via Marple]

Yes I saw that too.

IMO, I don't believe that he went into that accommodation though that many have hinted based on the MSM map that was released of Theos walk that night. I did the route based on the map that was released MSM showing where he walked. I gps-ed each street and stop to what I could get matched on that map. I had him at crossing the street at Carlisle however my gps locator had it only at standing on corner Carlisle and Cowper and going no further in the direction the house. I took photos of the gps location on my walk and also photos of where that was located.

Lol I had done something like that just recently! My sister walked part of that with me, thought I was totally crazy. We parted ways right at the Carlisle/Cowper corner

That accommodation didn't look like it was open to the public... No sign in front, just looked like any residence.

I didn't use GPS tracking though, so don't know if I walked the exactly MSM route. Only roughly. GPS isn't always so accurate anyway. Whatsapp sometimes put my sister in the ocean, when in fact she was on the beach.

 

[mussopossum]

I wonder how many are actually doing what we did?

Yes it looked more private residence there but might be just boarding and on off accommodation who knows. My friend thought I was s loony too. They just don’t get it!

 

[Via Marple]

I wonder how many are actually doing what we did?

Yes it looked more private residence there but might be just boarding and on off accommodation who knows. My friend thought I was s loony too. They just don’t get it!

Yeah that's it. Like a boarding house. A well kept one too, it looks. I am sure police would have checked with them , for CCTV if not anything else. I am not feeling suspicious about the place. JMO

 

[Via Marple]

@mussopossum, did you turn into the bush while walking towards Tallow Beach? Where there wasn't much of a trail left? I wasn't dressed properly for that, so I had to turn the other way and followed Tallow Beach Road down.

I really can't grasp how Theo could have walked down that way, on that moonless night. He would have lost his cap or got entangled in branches over there. Before even reaching the beach. Unless he really was such a great hiker. Which I am not.

 

[insearchoflight]

Volunteers Bring In Cadaver Dogs To Continue Search For Missing Backpacker Theo Hayez

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[bearbear]

Exhaustion. Fear. Relentless Perseverance. That's how Christos Tsestmetzis describes the mood in his hometown of Byron Bay
When A Person Goes Missing, Communities Are Left Looking For Answers

This week, following a community callout, Sydney-based group Search Dogs Sydney also joined the locals to search the area where Théo's phone last pinged.

"They specialise in lost persons, they are behavioural analysts for lost people... and there will be cadaver dogs as well," Christos said.

 

[Via Marple]

Exhaustion. Fear. Relentless Perseverance. That's how Christos Tsestmetzis describes the mood in his hometown of Byron Bay
When A Person Goes Missing, Communities Are Left Looking For Answers

This week, following a community callout, Sydney-based group Search Dogs Sydney also joined the locals to search the area where Théo's phone last pinged.

"They specialise in lost persons, they are behavioural analysts for lost people... and there will be cadaver dogs as well," Christos said.

According to the FB LFTH page/group, they were not successful in finding any human remains, nor any item that belongs to Theo.

But they did manage to cover lots of grounds that the volunteers were not able to search so well. So at least that 'stone' has been 'turned'.

Nothing. The only find, the cap, has still not been confirmed as Theo's.

 

[feralflower]

Leased - 46 Carlyle Street, Byron Bay, NSW - Holiday Holiday Leased here is the link for Stay in Byron accommodation. I am not however trusting the map released by the media. They did not name their source and is not backed or verified by any authority. Media just stated that they obtained it, not where from. That kind of changes everything, if that map is incorrect. The area of last ping being near Cosy Corner could then be incorrect. Compared with the public info released by Police, who initially stated last ping came from between The Pass and Wategos Beach, well that's on the other side altogether, surely even if hard to pinpoint the exact spot, it wouldn't vary so greatly as to be later said (by media) at Cosy Corner? I hate to say it but I totally believed it initially, the map until I tried to look for what source did they obtain from. Just says "obtained" not where from. Maybe it is half right half guesswork, maybe is not right at all? News media likes to sell stories and they are not always true or accurate. Have seen plenty of BS spread as the truth by media. Pretty sure someone also mentioned that most of the mobile signal was bouncing off the city tower through the night, before the last ping off the light house tower next day. This does not match up either if correct, would mean he was in town area for quite a bit longer if so. I don't know much about mobile data tracking etc., but unless police release this info which I doubt, I am not buying the Cosy Corner map. The more I look the more I see the need to stick to absolute 100% facts as these are the backbone to build on, any wrong deviation from the facts can so easily take a wrong turn. So back to starting at square one, and Tennyson St., as police did ask for footage from this street so highly likely that part is right. The rest guess work. He did appear to know where he was going when he left Cheeky's as was already striding in a determined way before he even pulled his phone out. It seems he had plans already. Can only hope if he met anyone that night that they come forward eventually and that good and relentless detectives are very active on this case. Seems it is growing cold already but who knows they might have more info we can't know about. I hope so! I really can't see him going sight-seeing on a pitch black night and sunrise was too far away to go wait for. And definitely not ideal time or conditions for a swim. I know can't rule out anything but putting that on the highly unlikely list.

 

[mussopossum]

@mussopossum, did you turn into the bush while walking towards Tallow Beach? Where there wasn't much of a trail left? I wasn't dressed properly for that, so I had to turn the other way and followed Tallow Beach Road down.

I really can't grasp how Theo could have walked down that way, on that moonless night. He would have lost his cap or got entangled in branches over there. Before even reaching the beach. Unless he really was such a great hiker. Which I am not.

Yep I walked along the two tracks. very overgrown. I still think that hat was never there and was put there after the police search. After walking the track i cant see how could been missed

 

[mussopossum]

According to the FB LFTH page/group, they were not successful in finding any human remains, nor any item that belongs to Theo.

But they did manage to cover lots of grounds that the volunteers were not able to search so well. So at least that 'stone' has been 'turned'.

Nothing. The only find, the cap, has still not been confirmed as Theo's.

And Theos dad never returned as he said he would this month.

I wonder what his thoughts are now? Last he thought that Theo had run off to a commune

 

[gregjrichards]

Can we please try and keep things civilised and the thread open. It would be a real shame to have it locked again perhaps indefinitely.