Had a 21 year old Tinder date come over for drinks, were getting along fine, start kissing, feeling each other... read the post.
Shes small so I go to hug and lift her up and take her inside from the balcony but she totally freaks out, mumbles something about getting back to her parents and bolts out the door. Deletes me off both Tinder and FB.
Maybe I acted too abruptly and snapped her out of her little lust-trance by manhandling her.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227020483212
MTBiker: Sound like pretty damn rapey behaviour to me, even in his own words
Based on his words, what freaked out the Tinder date on that occasion was when he 'went to hug and lift her up and take her inside from the balcony', imo
According to him, that girl was fine with the intimacy. It was being
lifted up on a balcony which scared her. It would scare the hell out of me, anyway
All we have is his account, but to me, the mention of
'she's so small' could be important. Maybe the police should focus on GT's preferred 'type'. Does he choose physically small women? How many other women has he lifted or attempted to lift, out on that balcony? How have women felt about that? Have any of them been terrified once out on the balcony? Has he 'joked' with them while lifting them up on the balcony? Have they had to struggle to get free? Has he tried to hold them aloft, close to the balcony railing? If so, what has he said at those times? Has he had a running fantasy about lifting a woman up and holding her over the balcony? Has he attempted to have sex with women who he's perched helplessly on the balcony railing?
Fear of heights is one of the most common fears of all, although having drinks on a high balcony is regarded by some as the epitome of glamour and sophistication. A woman could feel perfectly safe as long as she was in control of the situation out on a balcony, as long as her feet were on the floor or even if she were resting on the balcony railing with the man next to her
Being hoisted up by a man near to the balcony's edge, on the other hand, would mean utter lack of control. Most women would scream if that happened, even if the man were known and trusted -- say a brother or father, etc.
The girl in quotes above was lucky indeed, imo. She made it out. But if GT had a fantasy of lifting a woman up next to or even
over the balcony railing, the girl in quotes would have enraged him by foiling his fantasy. If he did have such fantasies, they wouldn't have dissipated because of that girl's rejection. Rather, her escape could have caused him to devise situations whereby future women would be given no warning, no opportunity to escape his fantasy-move
The fact he went to the trouble to describe the situation on that occasion, i.e.
Shes small so I go to hug and lift her up and take her inside from the balcony but she totally freaks out, mumbles something about getting back to her parents and bolts out the door. Deletes me off both Tinder and FB
indicates to me that the incident had a certain impact upon him. It prompted him to put his
own version forth, publicly. On the surface, it could seem to be an insignificant event, i.e. a woman rejected him, took off and deleted him from Tinder and FB. Yet he wanted
his version out there -
his interpretation of the event. But when we look at even his own version, the girl was accepting of (and willing to participate in) considerable intimacy up to the point he lifted her up
It's not a large apartment, first of all. Balcony a couple of metres in depth then straight into the living area with bedroom and bathroom leading off. She didn't need lifting or carrying.
HE wanted to lift her. She wasn't averse to 'hugging', obviously - things had gone way past that already. So his mention of 'hugging' sounds to me as if he was trying to cast his actions and the conflict situation in innocent light online ... just in case the girl in question told her version and it got around
The fact she was prepared to indulge in considerable intimacy with him up to the point he 'went to lift her up', implies to me it was not the prospect of sex or a hug which caused her to freak - it was being lifted up by him out on the balcony which resulted in her experiencing such fear of him that she deleted him from Tinder and FB once she got away. She didn't want to see or hear from him again, not even from the safe distance of online. He had scared her big-time, imo. And I believe he knew he'd scared her and knew what he'd done to scare her. So he put his version up online, trying to sound 'mystified' - trying to make the girl sound 'wacko'. According to him, they'd been engaged in some pretty heavy pre-sex activities when suddenly she'd bolted, and
all he'd done was try to pick her up and carry her 'from' the balcony.
His version. And I don't buy it
Lifting someone from their feet is power-play. It's a controlling act, obviously. Most of those being lifted do not enjoy the sensation simply because it deprives them of control - and hands the control to the lifter
Being hoisted aloft on a high balcony would be terrifying to most people. And it would give the lifter feelings of ultimate power and control
GT does not like even the suggestion he could be controlled. According to media reports, he resented being banned from venues to the point he sought to enter those venues when certain doormen were absent. The
'don't tell ME' attitude
He refused to surrender to police and instead led them on a chase. Even when his tyres were spiked, he continued to resist being controlled, to the point he continued driving on his vehicle's rims
Those who fear being controlled themselves, very often seek to control others. Holding someone aloft on a high balcony would provide immense sense of 'control' over the other person. And having had at least one woman escape that scenario could very possibly have made him determined to do it to someone who would not escape. Because clearly, GT does not like to take NO for an answer
Certain people, certain men, derive enormous satisfaction from other's fear, terror. Serial killers. Rapists. Sex for them is far from top priority. What they most enjoy is other's fear and having the power to create that fear, impose that fear and suffering. Sexual inadequates especially enjoy inflicting power and control, fear, etc. It's all they've got. It's their way of 'getting even'
Hope police are obtaining a lot of information from his prior dates
Edit
Oh, and note where he says,
Maybe I acted too abruptly and snapped her out of her little lust-trance by manhandling her
Another of his online remarks which is a minefield of information --- suddenly it was HER
'little lust trance'
They'd been engaged in sexual activity but it was HER 'lust trance' ?
Wow
Then he goes for some macho-wannabe terminology, 'manhandling her'. Who's he trying to sound like -- old John Wayne from some 1950's western movie? 'Manhandling' ? He'd BEEN 'man handling' her already, hadn't he? Or was he merely standing there and allowing the girl to have her wicked way with him?
So what he attempts as macho speak-- 'manhandling'-- was HIS version of trying to minimise the fact he'd tried to hoist a girl up on a high balcony. Talk about NLP! HIS version goes like this: girl was in a 'lust trance' over him. He was sexually unmoved, apparently (and I believe that's the case with him). But when he attempted to exert ultimate control over her physically (described as manful 'manhandling') she
'snapped out of'her lust for him and ran away. Gee. Sure, the online world gets the picture, GT. Sexually aggressive female just couldn't take being picked up by a real man. And the fact it occurred on a high balcony by a sexual neuter had nothing at all to do with it. Riiiiight
)
