Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #3

[Fieldsroyal]

Things have gone very quiet - will share a quick observation which may have a bearing in the trial result - I was at a family catch up when this case came up - my sister-in-law is quite mouthy and a little ignorant but FWIW she was telling all and sundry that it was the girl who was the aggressor beating up on the perp and all caught on audio too - the nuances and twistedness of the case is lost on many - and these people will end up on the jury. Pros will have to work very hard to convince jury.

 

[Ausgirl]

Thanks, Fields.. and that's exactly my greatest concern, at this point. I truly hope the prosecution is on top of it all.. and can expose the manipulation going on.

My other hope is that any jury member will hear Warriena's 25 or so cries of "no" and saying "let me go home" and realise that she was not there, at that point, of her free will - and was already a victim of an enraged and vindictive man.

If Tostee walks away from this, as he did the counterfeiting charge - I think my head will asplode.

 

[antechinusRAWR]

Things have gone very quiet - will share a quick observation which may have a bearing in the trial result - I was at a family catch up when this case came up - my sister-in-law is quite mouthy and a little ignorant but FWIW she was telling all and sundry that it was the girl who was the aggressor beating up on the perp and all caught on audio too - the nuances and twistedness of the case is lost on many - and these people will end up on the jury. Pros will have to work very hard to convince jury.

This is the exact response on another forum. I was really shocked & have to say I'm relieved to read this thread & see that I'm not the only one who sees it differently.

 

[Ausgirl]

The 28-year-old can be heard saying: 'Me and her had sex and it was like, the more that she drank, she just got more violent for some reason. I can't remember what I did but I absolutely did not throw her off my balcony. I would never do anything like that.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sex-NZ-woman-plunged-death.html#ixzz3EfDf3ckU

bbm..

Just a bit more of a looksee at Tostee's use of language..

Interesting -- "me and her", not "we". Gotta think about that one.. distancing?

"for some reason" -- why add this, unless there WAS a reason, one which Tostee doesn't want to elaborate on.

"I can't remember what I did" - that old chestnut. As said previously, he can recall either side of that moment clearly enough.. so that's an outright lie. If he can't recall what he did, how can he also be so certain that he didn't throw her off? It's obvious bullcrap. But it does indicate that Tostee *did* do *something* he doesn't wish to be honest about.

"absolutely did not" -- is a total Clinton-ism. The non-contraction of "didn't" to "did not" is a hint to untruthfulness, as is the addition of "absolutely". So is the fact that he offers this statement, without being --directly asked-- "did you throw her off the balcony?'. At no time does his dad ask a direct question regarding the act of throwing her off, yet there's repeated and specific denials from Tostee. Ie, the whole "protesteth too much" thing.

"I would never" -- the use of 'would never" is indicative of a lie, or something to hide.

Multiple red flags!!! Just in this one small portion of the statement. And once more, I am given reason to suspect that Tostee had *everything* to do with Warriena's fall. Hands on.

 

[Amee]

Tostee was unable to apply for bail but a brief of evidence is expected to be ready by the end of September.

Magistrate John Costanzo adjourned Tostee's matter until October 10 where he is expected to appear via videolink.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...from-gold-coast-courtroom-20140816-3dsuw.html

:waiting:

 

[wewillgetyou]

This is an interesting turn of events.

ACCUSED playboy balcony killer Gable Tostee has axed his lawyers as he prepares for a fresh bail bid.

Tostee has dumped former police prosecutor Mick Purcell, of Potts Lawyers, in favour of the firm of prominent civil liberties lawyer Terry O’Gorman.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-fresh-bail-bid/story-fnihsrf2-1227078279193

 

[Ausgirl]

O'Gorman. I predict a bajillion petty technicalities.

 

[Ooohm]

NOW it will be a circus, thanks to Mr. O'Gorman.

Too bad, his former lawyer from Potts at least sounded sensible. And he alone on that side, expressed remorse for the young woman's death.

 

[Amee]

Accused Tinder murderer Gable Tostee dumps lawyer and brings in barrister who publicly condemned release of recordings allegedly from the night Warriena Wright plunged to her death from his balcony

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lawyer-second-attempt-bail.html#ixzz3F1mauCnM

 

[Fuskier]

FYI from Australian Newscorp today:
http://www.news.com.au/national/que...s-fresh-bail-bid/story-fnii5v6w-1227078279193

Accused Gold Coast balcony killer Gable Tostee has switched lawyers for his fresh bail bid
OCTOBER 03, 2014 12:00AM

... Gable Tostee has dumped Mick Purcell, of Potts Lawyers, in favour of the firm of prominent civil liberties lawyer Terry O’Gorman... Mr O’Gorman had slammed the release of documents detailing the police case against Tostee ahead of a Supreme Court bail hearing last month... and suggested they may have been leaked by police, although media outlets including The Courier-Mail obtained them from the court...

 

[Ausgirl]

"and suggested they may have been leaked by police, although media outlets including The Courier-Mail obtained them from the court... "

and thus begins the endless, hopefully pointless stream of quibbling, in what I have no doubt will amount to a passionate bid to have Tostee viewed as a secondary victim...

 

[MsAnais]

Terry O'Gorman's profile on his website:

http://www.robertsonogorman.com.au/our-people/terry-ogorman/

 

[MsAnais]

O'Gorman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lawyer-second-attempt-bail.html#ixzz3F1mauCnM

 

[Fuskier]

O'Gorman

<respectfully snipped>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lawyer-second-attempt-bail.html#ixzz3F1mauCnM

Thanks GoddessIsisrising. Like the addition of 'goddess' :thinking:

 

[MsAnais]

Thanks GoddessIsisrising. Like the addition of 'goddess' :thinking:

Good to see you here, Fuskier! :seeya:

 

[MsAnais]

So I had a knee-jerk reaction to O'Gorman because I don't like Tostee.....but then I read this about O'Gorman and I've started to chill out on him. It sounds like he's done some good - and important - work.......

In Terry's early career with Aboriginal Legal Aid he saw first-hand how his clients were frequently verballed and assaulted by police. In order to combat the problem, Terry and his colleagues took matters into their own hands and began covertly taping the police. They would go out at night to hot spots and police stations and film evidence, which they would later use in cases to prove a miscarriage of justice.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/08/07/2327794.htm


I still don't like Tostee though......:furious:

 

[MsAnais]

Speaking of miscarriages of justice in Qld.....O'Gorman should take a look at the Jenny Cook case :facepalm:


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Jenny-Cook-die-Townsville-Qld-January-19-2009

 

[possumheart]

So I had a knee-jerk reaction to O'Gorman because I don't like Tostee.....but then I read this about O'Gorman and I've started to chill out on him. It sounds like he's done some good - and important - work.......

In Terry's early career with Aboriginal Legal Aid he saw first-hand how his clients were frequently verballed and assaulted by police. In order to combat the problem, Terry and his colleagues took matters into their own hands and began covertly taping the police. They would go out at night to hot spots and police stations and film evidence, which they would later use in cases to prove a miscarriage of justice.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/08/07/2327794.htm


I still don't like Tostee though......:furious:

Thank you for opening your mind to O'Gorman. You made my day. I fear people get blinkered by single issues ... (Pedophiles) ... When there is a much bigger picture in CIVILised society x

 

[SlinkiMalinki]

MSM has gone very quiet, hasn't it?

I think the trial's going to be a doozy.

Hello Ausgirl, it is a very astute observation there. MSM has indeed gone very quiet since the last flurry of media activity in early September (the 1st bail hearing), and it could be due to (in my opinion) that there are unseen powers at play. The thing is, a lot of the published news articles churned out since the arrest can be construed as sub judice contempt.

http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/sub_judice_chart_01.html

Especially since Mr O'Gorman openly said that the public release of the affidavit/transcript was "absolutely worrying" and an "unattractive development" with the ability to skew the course of justice.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...olutely-worrying-ogorman-20140906-10dgdn.html

And now, with the new interesting development yesterday, anyone else noticed that only two media sources in Australia published the story, and both Couriermail and Daily Mail UK being technically "tabloids" rather than mainstream media. Just my opinion that some sort of suppression is already in place, possibly self induced by the Media themselves wanting to ensure that no further act on their part would jeapordise a fair trial taking place.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-fresh-bail-bid/story-fnihsrf2-1227078279193

PS I apologise to moderators in advance if the way I have quoted and attached references are not in accordance to the rules of this forum. Still very new to this!

 

[MsAnais]

Hello Ausgirl, it is a very astute observation there. MSM has indeed gone very quiet since the last flurry of media activity in early September (the 1st bail hearing), and it could be due to (in my opinion) that there are unseen powers at play. The thing is, a lot of the published news articles churned out since the arrest can be construed as sub judice contempt.

http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/sub_judice_chart_01.html

Especially since Mr O'Gorman openly said that the public release of the affidavit/transcript was "absolutely worrying" and an "unattractive development" with the ability to skew the course of justice.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...olutely-worrying-ogorman-20140906-10dgdn.html

And now, with the new interesting development yesterday, anyone else noticed that only two media sources in Australia published the story, and both Couriermail and Daily Mail UK being technically "tabloids" rather than mainstream media. Just my opinion that some sort of suppression is already in place, possibly self induced by the Media themselves wanting to ensure that no further act on their part would jeapordise a fair trial taking place.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-fresh-bail-bid/story-fnihsrf2-1227078279193

PS I apologise to moderators in advance if the way I have quoted and attached references are not in accordance to the rules of this forum. Still very new to this!

bbm

You make a good point, SlinkiMalinki. I was speaking to a reporter at one of the Qld papers (not a tabloid btw) a few weeks ago and they are being very cautious with this case, due to the possible legal ramifications. They were running things by their legal teams in a way that very few papers seemed to in the beginning.