Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[Coldpizza]

William Tyrrell: ‘One million reasons’ to come forward over toddler’s abduction
7:29pm September 12, 2016

A $1 million reward, the largest in New South Wales history, has been announced for information that leads to the arrest of the person who abducted missing toddler William Tyrrell, or for the boy’s safe return or recovery.

William, then aged three, went missing from the backyard of his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the state's mid-north coast, on September 12, 2014.

[...]

"You’re in a much better position if you come to us than if we come to you."

Det. Insp. Jubelin also said the investigation was "a long way" from going to a coronial inquest, and that police did not believe William's family were involved.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW. YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT IS OUTLINED OR YOU WILL BE TIMED OUT OR BANNED!!!!

Thanks to DrSleuth for your help in writing up the information needed for the discussion.

Here is what we can and cannot discuss.

No identifying the biological family, the foster family or any associates ( ie siblings, etc ) or their addresses, places of employment or childcare, etc

They can be identified as bio mother etc & female foster carer etc

At the inquest, they are known as biological mother & father. Foster family are known as FFC ( female foster carer ) MFC ( male foster carer ) FFGM ( female foster grandmother ) etc
REMEMBER THE ABOVE PEOPLE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED USING THEIR INITIALS.

Prior to the coronial inquest, the bio families could be identified, but it was overturned by the coroner for the inquest.

I am very sorry it took me so long to open this thread back up. Please keep in mind we are short handed so if this thread starts to get out of control with alerts we will have to close it again.
Please do not hesitate to alert but make sure the alert is truly needed. We have experienced a lot of tit for tat alerts and that makes me foam at the mouth, grow hair on my hands and my teeth turn into fangs. In other words please be sure when you post you are posting within our terms of service.

Thank you,
Tricia

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[Sillybilly]

So, does that mean it's OK to discuss any other books on the subject?

There is no blanket approval. Please contact a Mod or Admin with the name of the book and the author and we will make a decision.

Chumley's book "Searching for Spiderman" is not approved.

Gary Jubelin's book and Caroline Overington's book are the only two that are approved for discussion at this time.

I think they should be okay - as one is a journo and one is an ex-lead detective on the case - but I will alert on my post and see if a mod can clarify how we should reference. Whether that be the book and page number, or a screenshot of the specific excerpt from the page of one of the allowable books.

IIRC stormbird was putting up screenshots when she spoke of particular passages from Overington's book.

Both books can be discussed.

Always give credit to the author. Book title, page # and paraphrasing or brief quotes are allowed.

Screenshots and more extensive quoting requires approval of the author (the copyright holder).

Do not try to get more content in by breaking it up into multiple posts.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Have just spoken with Tricia and she agrees that members can discuss the recent events surrounding the issuing of the AVO and the foster parents as potential POIs (which y'all have been doing anyway, right?)

While WS policy is that we are victim friendly, and this extends to family member, the policy has to be examined as to how it relates to specific discussions and new information as it comes to light. This is a thread specific exception that is being made based on MSM, obvious action and ongoing investigation by Australian law enforcement.

Discuss matters factually and speculate reasonably but without trashing these people or making direct accusations. Members who do so will be banned from the thread.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This case has its very own set of very unique circumstances that we are having to work around and we know it is difficult for our members.

Of course we have William's case, but we also have the complicating factors of the foster situation, a living minor child, a coronial inquest that prevents publication of names, an AVO not known 100% to be immediately connected to William's case.

Taking all the above into consideration, we can not allow sleuthing of individuals who have not been publicly named.

Discussing what is in MSM is fine, but actual sleuthing of unnamed persons and posting about their background, their personal information or social media is not allowed.

Thanks to everyone here for trying to post accordingly through all this murkiness.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

IMPORTANT

PLEASE READ AND 'LIKE' THIS POST SO WE KNOW YOU HAVE READ IT.

Thread #66 remains pulled due to a recent influx of trolls. We may be able to get it reinstated in a couple of weeks.

Those individuals that we have been able to identify have been banned. There may be others who registered earlier and are waiting in the wings.

This new thread is for discussion only by our long term, veteran Websleuths members who have a sincere dedication to William's case.

As a result of this recent troll invasion we are not allowing new members to join in this discussion.

We are requesting that our trusted members Report posts by new members who join Websleuths after today to participate in William's thread. We will review the matter and deal with it accordingly.

Those whose goal is to incite conflict are not welcome at Websleuths.

Thank you to all our members who have been able to participate respectfully and responsibly in this discussion. We truly appreciate you.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[Blues Clues]

Paul Fehon, Hans Rupp, Gary Jubelin, Mick Willing, Andrew Scipione, Scott Cook, David Laidlaw, Mick Fuller. They are all linked to this case and as such will from time to time be discussed due to their comments and involvement.

Sadly solving long term, unsolved, high profile cases can and does become career defining and political. Imo we have seen this in Williams case Let's hope justice for William is the result and not something else.

 

[sleepinoz]

I noticed that during the latest search, all announcements and in any MSM, that the current Homicide Commander Danny Doherty has not said a word. This is a little perplexing to me.

It's his squad, yet the Minister and the Commissioner did most of the talking/publicity IMO. Any idea's why this would be? Political is the only thing I can think of.

 

[centred]

Paul Fehon, Hans Rupp, Gary Jubelin, Mick Willing, Andrew Scipione, Scott Cook, David Laidlaw, Mick Fuller. They are all linked to this case and as such will from time to time be discussed due to their comments and involvement.

Sadly solving long term, unsolved, high profile cases can and does become career defining and political. Imo we have seen this in Williams case Let's hope justice for William is the result and not something else.

Ok but i tend to keep away from pointing fingers at LE mostly because the rules say WS is generally LE friendly . I don't want to end up being shut down , however i could say a lot about political corruption in general but i wont

 

[iiiii's]

I noticed that during the latest search, all announcements and in any MSM, that the current Homicide Commander Danny Doherty has not said a word. This is a little perplexing to me.

It's his squad, yet the Minister and the Commissioner did most of the talking/publicity IMO. Any idea's why this would be? Political is the only thing I can think of.

I agree it's political but not just contained to NSW police politics. More about how this police investigation is being handled by the various police networks in conjunction with the NSW govt. of the day and their departments. The NSW police being the coalface, scapegoat etc. of a child under the care of the minister going missing and the public knowing about it and wanting it resolved. The investigation at this stage with this particular premier and this new police commissioner, I will be interested to see what unfolds. MOO

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

Maybe the NSW police have been told to only talk if really needed, or new news. Which would be understandable, most govt departments are the same.

 

[Serenanicole]

I wonder if LE has explored other theories when looking at the possibility of covering up an accidental death?
An example … William has swallowed a tablet? Nana may have tablets not out of reach because she is not often having children at her house?

 

[Serenanicole]

Interesting that the FF has never been a POI.

 

[JBowie]

Interesting that the FF has never been a POI.

According to Gary Jubelin, both parents were in the POI category until he satisfied himself that they were not involved after interrogating them.

Former lead detective reveals police bugged car of William Tyrrell's foster-parents

 

[Serenanicole]

Just going back to this topic again ….

William Tyrrell foster mother charged with additional count of common assault


William Tyrrell’s foster mother charged with additional count of common assault

‘The foster mother of missing toddler William Tyrrell has been charged with an additional count of common assault, which she will ask a magistrate to dismiss on mental health grounds, a court has heard.’

Is this an admission that the assault as such is not denied has having happened?

If so, and if FFC is deemed as mentally unwell then I wonder how long she has had a mental illness?
Is this a lifelong struggle?
Did this develop in her early 20’s?
Did she develop it recently?

Did she ever disclose her illness previously to child protection?

Do LE think she harmed William previously?

these are all horrible things to think about.
But from LE point of view…. She was the last person to see William alive. She is the new POI in this case. The FF isn’t so far as we know.
The window being examined in the timeline is when she was with William and he was absent.
The window is not from the time the decision was made to surprise grandma and come earlier for the visit.

 

[Serenanicole]

According to Gary Jubelin, both parents were in the POI category until he satisfied himself that they were not involved after interrogating them.

Former lead detective reveals police bugged car of William Tyrrell's foster-parents

oh yes of course jbowie that’s right, I recall Jubelin saying that now.

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting that the FF has never been a POI.

Quoted from link:
".... you can listen to Hans Rupp giving his opinion in Caroline Overington's Nowhere Child podcast - Episode 4 "Person Of Interest".

He did consider the foster parents could be involved however there was no evidence to support that, he went on to say he didn't think any member of the family was involved at all."

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sep 2014 - #67

A Person of Interest - William Tyrrell - Nowhere Child - Omny.fm

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

Quoted from link:
".... you can listen to Hans Rupp giving his opinion in Caroline Overington's Nowhere Child podcast - Episode 4 "Person Of Interest".

He did consider the foster parents could be involved however there was no evidence to support that, he went on to say he didn't think any member of the family was involved at all."

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sep 2014 - #67

A Person of Interest - William Tyrrell - Nowhere Child - Omny.fm

Considering the early investigators dismissed “all Family members” as POI’s it’s interesting to see the turn of events in the latest news.
Obviously things were missed by those early investigators or new info was found or someone talked.
Aside from new technologies or methods being available one could question the investigative qualities of those who were involved earlier. They either missed things, didn’t investigate thoroughly enough, or other factors were involved, like politics etc.

 

[JBowie]

Aside from new technologies or methods being available one could question the investigative qualities of those who were involved earlier. They either missed things, didn’t investigate thoroughly enough, or other factors were involved, like politics etc.

If NSW Police escape criticism in the Corner's final report about how they went about their investigations, then I -- for one -- will be quite surprised.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

If NSW Police escape criticism in the Corner's final report about how they went about their investigations, then I -- for one -- will be quite surprised.

I think the way LE went about CS disappearance shows they have learnt some valuable lessons from previous cases

 

[SouthAussie]

I think the way LE went about CS disappearance shows they have learnt some valuable lessons from previous cases

As well, I think a huge disadvantage in William's case was the patchy mobile reception in 2014. Meaning that a tower dump was likely unable to show every mobile phone in the area at the time.