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I think that would be a wrong assumption, on both counts.

Having read both of his books, I think it is clear that Jubes is defending/explaining SFR's investigation - up until January 2019. Not that he is 'defending' any POI within that investigation.

imo

Perhaps. I was responding to member CouldBe's post about what Jubelin might make of the charges - particularly the child assault charges - against the FP's and it's my opinion that he would likely think they are innocent of such charges as he has previously stated his belief that the FP's are good people.

And they could be innocent as AFAIK they haven't been found guilty of any assault charges.
 
Is this where we are up to regarding the charges against the Foster Parents? Or does anyone have an update?

Charges of Alleged Lying to NSWCC

Foster Mother
This is from The Telegraph regarding the alleged Charge of Lying to the NSWCC by the FM

About 500 pages of evidence would form part of the case and some audio recordings from the NSW Crime Commission would be played during the hearing, the court was told before November 3 and 4 were chosen as dates the hearing would take place.


Foster Father
The FF hearing of the Lying Charge against the NSWCC was set down for October 12 and 13.

The hearing — which has been set for October 12 and 13 — will include the 55-year-old's interview with police and other electronic material.




Charges of Alleged Assault

And the Alleged Assault Charges were being heard together (FF and FM )- Also from The Telegraph ….

The foster mother will face a three-day hearing alongside her husband in January.
From Article June 30

In the Foster Father’s case, a three-day hearing will be held from January 16, 2023.
From Article June 7

References:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/b...e/news-story/b45311aa9d49dffe32d5f2e680b87618

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/b...l/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

I haven’t looked for dates of the new alleged fraud charges as I assume they will further down the track ….

imo
Edit to add additional reference and dates
It is odd that Lawlink haven't listed the FMFC's case yet. It was due to be listed for Oct 12 & 13. I can't work out if this matter comes under the suppression order or not.
 
Or the charges have been dropped?

IMO, the MSM would be shouting it were that the situation.

It is odd that Lawlink haven't listed the FMFC's case yet. It was due to be listed for Oct 12 & 13. I can't work out if this matter comes under the suppression order or not.

Their names have been redacted a few times from court lists. I guess court office clerks, unaware of the circumstances, listed them as a matter of course only to be told afterwards to delete them.
 
Police reveal update in Tyrrell search
“Former NSW Detective Chief Inspector and the man who led the investigation into William’s disappearance, Gary Jubelin, recently called for greater scrutiny into the investigation.

“It appears I am the only person who has had to justify their actions. Perhaps it is time for a public inquiry into the handling of the investigation, from the moment William disappeared, including how certain information has been leaked to the media,” he said.

Mr Jublein was convicted in 2019 of illegally recording conversations with a one-time person of interest in the case.”
 
Police reveal update in Tyrrell search
“Former NSW Detective Chief Inspector and the man who led the investigation into William’s disappearance, Gary Jubelin, recently called for greater scrutiny into the investigation.

“It appears I am the only person who has had to justify their actions. Perhaps it is time for a public inquiry into the handling of the investigation, from the moment William disappeared, including how certain information has been leaked to the media,” he said.

Mr Jublein was convicted in 2019 of illegally recording conversations with a one-time person of interest in the case.”
Find William first and the person responsible for his disappearance, and then a Public Enquiry into the investigation ….. That is just my opinion …. We don’t need anything further to delay getting justice for William!

Even without an Enquiry, I feel like Police have already learned a lot from this investigation and have already implemented changes to how they proceed with missing children … again IMO … of course things can always be done better…

Sometimes I feel like they will never solve this case and then I remind myself that it took a number of inquest tranches and 14 years until Daniel M‘s case was finally closed … Let us all hope there can be a similar outcome for William!!!

All IMO
 
Looks like the 20th October at 9.30 - Hornsby.

I think this court appearance is about the fraud matter. It has always been set for October 20th.
(I don't think it is about the matter that was previously scheduled for October 12th.)

Listed as a mention. So it might not be anything very much. Maybe to make sure that both sides have what they need to proceed to a hearing, or some other case-related matter that needs sorting out prior to a hearing. Or maybe to enter a plea.


"They have been charged with dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception.
They are expected to appear at Hornsby Local Court on Thursday 20 October 2022."

imo
 
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Exactly on Oct 21st I'm expecting, that the perp/s will be arrested finally. Some years ago this day I had the very happy surprise (as a gift so-to-say) with the arrest of Daniel Holdom (girl in suitcase and so on). :)

I don't think anyone's getting arrested. At least not as early as October this year.
 
The poor DM. Makes me wonder if it was one of their staff to whom Jubes said "I thought you were smarter than that" (about there being an arrest warrant waiting to be signed).

I think they missed the whole point of the book, as it is actually an informal study on how badness in a person starts. Relating to real (interviewed) criminals, and to real life situations.


"Is Jubelin telling us that when officers and firefighters searched the site last year, they did so not for an item thrown out of a car window, but something more?".


Well (imo) probably yes.
Seeing that DCS Darren Bennett said ..... officers would be "looking for the remains of William Tyrrell". "It's highly likely that if we found something it would be a body. We are looking for the remains of William Tyrrell, no doubt about that," he said.

NSW Police 'looking for remains' of William Tyrrell in series of searches around Kendall
 
The poor DM. Makes me wonder if it was one of their staff to whom Jubes said "I thought you were smarter than that" (about there being an arrest warrant waiting to be signed).

I think they missed the whole point of the book, as it is actually an informal study on how badness in a person starts. Relating to real (interviewed) criminals, and to real life situations.


"Is Jubelin telling us that when officers and firefighters searched the site last year, they did so not for an item thrown out of a car window, but something more?".


Well (imo) probably yes.
Seeing that DCS Darren Bennett said ..... officers would be "looking for the remains of William Tyrrell". "It's highly likely that if we found something it would be a body. We are looking for the remains of William Tyrrell, no doubt about that," he said.

NSW Police 'looking for remains' of William Tyrrell in series of searches around Kendall
Although interestingly, GJ also says this in his new book … as per the same article ….

And, in a claim not previously disclosed publicly, on page 259 of Badness, Jubelin says the foster mother 'then got out and ran around, apparently looking around for the three-year-old'.

Was this near the former disabled riding school site at Kendall, where police stated last year she merely stopped the car, possibly 'threw an item out of the window' and then turned back, deciding 'William wouldn't have travelled this far'?


Which we haven’t heard before about the Batar Creek Area that was searched ….

 
Although interestingly, GJ also says this in his new book … as per the same article ….

And, in a claim not previously disclosed publicly, on page 259 of Badness, Jubelin says the foster mother 'then got out and ran around, apparently looking around for the three-year-old'.

Was this near the former disabled riding school site at Kendall, where police stated last year she merely stopped the car, possibly 'threw an item out of the window' and then turned back, deciding 'William wouldn't have travelled this far'?


Which we haven’t heard before about the Batar Creek Area that was searched ….

Also in the article, great question: bbm

So why was it kept secret from the public and not examined at the inquest, and not mentioned in the foster grandmother's detailed police crime scene walk-through?

In the foster mother's testimony under questioning by counsel assisting the inquest, Gerard Craddock, she was led through the immediate aftermath of William's disappearance, in Benaroon Drive with two women neighbours, before the foster father's arrival back home.


 
Also in the article, great question: bbm

So why was it kept secret from the public and not examined at the inquest, and not mentioned in the foster grandmother's detailed police crime scene walk-through?

In the foster mother's testimony under questioning by counsel assisting the inquest, Gerard Craddock, she was led through the immediate aftermath of William's disappearance, in Benaroon Drive with two women neighbours, before the foster father's arrival back home.

Agree Seeking J … a great question!
imo
 
It seems ridiculous for it to be said that GJ became aware of FM's 'drive' way back in 2016... when in fact the coroner herself released video during the first days of the inquest in March 2019, showing FM being interviewed by Vanessa Partridge only 6 days after W's disappearance in 2014, stating she'd gone for that drive. How would it be possible GJ was not aware of that interview until 2 years later? Was there no communication? No sharing of files? Did GJ not look at any of the evidence/documentation from prior to when he took over the case in January 2015?

From the same article..

Jubelin reveals he knew back in 2016 about William Tyrrell's foster mother driving from her mother's house down to Batar Creek Road on the day William disappeared.

This information was flagged with some fanfare by the new team of detectives on the case at the latest 'high intensity' dig at Kendall in November 2021.

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Meanwhile this video was released by the coroner after the first days of the inquest in March 2019, showing FM reported her 'drive' to police only 6 days after disappearance:

The video, which has been shared by several news outlets online following its release, was shown to the inquest this week. It was filmed just six days after William went missing and shows his mother recalling her extensive search of the area around her home, including stops at every property on the street.

At one point, she describes to police how she pulled over at a busy road in Kendall, on the New South Wales north coast.


 
It seems ridiculous for it to be said that GJ became aware of FM's 'drive' way back in 2016... when in fact the coroner herself released video during the first days of the inquest in March 2019, showing FM being interviewed by Vanessa Partridge only 6 days after W's disappearance in 2014, stating she'd gone for that drive. How would it be possible GJ was not aware of that interview until 2 years later? Was there no communication? No sharing of files? Did GJ not look at any of the evidence/documentation from prior to when he took over the case in January 2015?

From the same article..

Jubelin reveals he knew back in 2016 about William Tyrrell's foster mother driving from her mother's house down to Batar Creek Road on the day William disappeared.

This information was flagged with some fanfare by the new team of detectives on the case at the latest 'high intensity' dig at Kendall in November 2021.

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Meanwhile this video was released by the coroner after the first days of the inquest in March 2019, showing FM reported her 'drive' to police only 6 days after disappearance:

The video, which has been shared by several news outlets online following its release, was shown to the inquest this week. It was filmed just six days after William went missing and shows his mother recalling her extensive search of the area around her home, including stops at every property on the street.

At one point, she describes to police how she pulled over at a busy road in Kendall, on the New South Wales north coast.



Unfortunately, the DM is not giving the complete picture. From what I can tell, they have printed a couple of things about William's case without providing any context - or reiterating any of the concerns that Jubes raises.

Of course Jubes knew about the drive prior to 2016. But the piece that the DM snipped a small portion of is speaking of the lead up to the 2016 re-interviews of the FP.


What he actually says is "One of the things that was raised with me in 2016, when we decided to reinterview the foster parents, was that his foster mother did drive down the road from the house that morning .... "
"Maybe she used the car to move his body, I was told."
"Maybe. But what would you do if your child went missing? You'd run around looking for him outside, like she did. Then you'd get in the car, drive it a little way .... "

Source: Badness by Gary Jubelin & Dan Box, chapter Oh, it's the Foster Mother
 
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Also in the article, great question: bbm

So why was it kept secret from the public and not examined at the inquest, and not mentioned in the foster grandmother's detailed police crime scene walk-through?

In the foster mother's testimony under questioning by counsel assisting the inquest, Gerard Craddock, she was led through the immediate aftermath of William's disappearance, in Benaroon Drive with two women neighbours, before the foster father's arrival back home.


Well, we know that had nothing to do with Jubes. Even though putting that in the same article might give that impression to those who don't know better.

We know that Jubes wasn't allowed any input at the inquest, and had to wait until the Director of Inquests wrote and asked him for his input.

And we know the drive was in the police brief, in the Coronial documents, because that is (apparently) where FM's walkthrough video came from.
 
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