LolaAngelina
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Why are you reminded of that in regards to the outcome of the Theo case?
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LolaAngelina .... endeavouring to explain as follows:
Just quoting from SA’s post: ” When I read the Coronial Findings that were just released in Theo Hayez's case, I can imagine the same kind of Coronial Findings in William's case.”;
and SA went on to say in her post BBM:
“Essentially, there is not enough evidence to say that Theo disappeared through his own misadventure or through foul play. But the Coroner felt there was enough there to say that Theo is deceased.”
I do remember that interview with the Fosters and their stated commitment to never give up hope that William is still alive as quoted from that interview BBM:
“But the couple have claimed they will never give up the search for the toddler, vowing to always remain hopeful that he is still alive.”
"Till my last breath, we will not give up on William,” his foster dad said.”
JMO - Despite the fact that we, the Public, are unaware of enough evidence in the hands of Detectives, that doesn't mean valuable evidence doesn't exist in their database.
SO, in relation to the commitment made by the Fosters in that interview (five years after William's disappearance) ..... it came to my mind, and how such a conclusion (as pre-emped by SA) would be received by the Fosters. MOO
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One parent had an immediate connection to little W, probably (MFC), and the second parent after more than 2 years had still NOT, when little W disappeared (rather the opposite, it seems). But of course it always would sound so very good to express themselves like that. MOO
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William Tyrrell's foster mother filmed retracing her steps with police
William Tyrrell's foster mother describes how she drove all the way to a busy road before accepting the three-year-old was gone.
I’m relatively new to WS’s and thought I would share my humble opinion and current working hypothesis about Little William‘s disappearance. I believe it most likely that William was unintentionally fatally hurt or had a fatal asthma attack whilst being reprimanded or put in ‘timeout’ by the FFC for misbehaviour (such as running out of sight) in the time the MFC was out In town.
Many parents are advocates of physical discipline and timeout for ’misbehaviour and ‘toddler taming’…..and accidents do happen, such as a small wee child unable to breathe, choking or falling down and hitting their head on the concrete from the reflex motion of being smacked.
These simple yet fatal scenarios could easily occur….I wondered what any Mother would do If an accident like that happened? If it were my child I would be mortified, hysterical, call 000 immediately and then my husband…
But I am not a Foster Carer of two children removed from their biological parents and placed in my care, nor have I gone through all the red tape and safety checks for fostering and adopting children. I am not wealthy and do not live in a million dollar house in Sydney or drive a Range Rover, I have zero social status or public image or influence to concern me ….my ego is the size of a pea…
IMO if such a fatal accident did occur, all of the above factors would have been racing through the FFC’s mind; guilt ridden and in shock, knowing the consequences of her actions would lead to public humiliation, loss of her privileged affluent life style, husband, friends and time in prison, her only objective was to save herself, cover the accident up…..So she picks the wee child up, places him in the boot of the FGM’s car, drives out of Benaroon Drive towards the riding school, seeking, searching, looking for somewhere to hide his little body…..a truck driver sees her pulled over…..she turns around drives back in time for the MFC to arrive home….and on the journey she creates an elaborate story that William was ‘taken’..a delusion that she uses to convince the MFC, the FGM, the Police, GJ, the media and herself that something bad happened to William…..and most important that she, the FFC, is totally innocent of any wrong doing…
IMO…She knows where little William is, but like Theo Hayez… we will never ever know what really happened in that short period after it all went horribly wrong…
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William Tyrrell's foster mother filmed retracing her steps with police
William Tyrrell's foster mother describes how she drove all the way to a busy road before accepting the three-year-old was gone.www.dailymail.co.uk
I’m relatively new to WS’s and thought I would share my humble opinion and current working hypothesis about Little William‘s disappearance. I believe it most likely that William was unintentionally fatally hurt or had a fatal asthma attack whilst being reprimanded or put in ‘timeout’ by the FFC for misbehaviour (such as running out of sight) in the time the MFC was out In town.
Many parents are advocates of physical discipline and timeout for ’misbehaviour and ‘toddler taming’…..and accidents do happen, such as a small wee child unable to breathe, choking or falling down and hitting their head on the concrete from the reflex motion of being smacked.
These simple yet fatal scenarios could easily occur….I wondered what any Mother would do If an accident like that happened? If it were my child I would be mortified, hysterical, call 000 immediately and then my husband…
But I am not a Foster Carer of two children removed from their biological parents and placed in my care, nor have I gone through all the red tape and safety checks for fostering and adopting children. I am not wealthy and do not live in a million dollar house in Sydney or drive a Range Rover, I have zero social status or public image or influence to concern me ….my ego is the size of a pea…
IMO if such a fatal accident did occur, all of the above factors would have been racing through the FFC’s mind; guilt ridden and in shock, knowing the consequences of her actions would lead to public humiliation, loss of her privileged affluent life style, husband, friends and time in prison, her only objective was to save herself, cover the accident up…..So she picks the wee child up, places him in the boot of the FGM’s car, drives out of Benaroon Drive towards the riding school, seeking, searching, looking for somewhere to hide his little body…..a truck driver sees her pulled over…..she turns around drives back in time for the MFC to arrive home….and on the journey she creates an elaborate story that William was ‘taken’..a delusion that she uses to convince the MFC, the FGM, the Police, GJ, the media and herself that something bad happened to William…..and most important that she, the FFC, is totally innocent of any wrong doing…
IMO…She knows where little William is, but like Theo Hayez… we will never ever know what really happened in that short period after it all went horribly wrong…
"IMO if such a fatal accident did occur, all of the above factors would have been racing through the FFC’s mind; guilt ridden and in shock, knowing the consequences of her actions would lead to public humiliation, loss of her privileged affluent life style, husband, friends and time in prison, her only objective was to save herself, cover the accident up..."
But if he had an asthma attack or an accident of some kind, why would the foster mother be afraid of going to prison, public humiliation and losing her husband?
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IMO - The fatal accident would be directly related to the nature of the FFC‘s behaviour management strategies - similar perhaps to the methods described in the article below..
William Tyrrell's foster mother used wooden spoon to hit young girl, court hears
A Sydney court hears William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence". The child is not William Tyrrell.
www.abc.net.au
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Look what William being missing has done to his bio mom. I can’t imagine the hurt she feels by not knowing what happened to her baby boy. I feel sad for her
William Tyrrell birth mum on fresh charges after boyfriend assault
William Tyrrell's birth mother has been charged with stalking a woman and sharing intimate photos of her after pleading guilty to seriously assaulting her boyfriend.
EXCLUSIVE: William Tyrrell's birth mum is expecting another baby eight years after he vanished - as she faces fresh charges of stalking a woman and sharing 'intimate' photos just weeks after assault on her boyfriend
William Tyrrell's birth mother has been charged with stalking a woman and sharing intimate photos of her, two weeks after pleading guilty to seriously assaulting her boyfriend.
She is on bail and due in Hornsby Local Court in Sydney next month on charges of assault, stalking, using a carriage service to menace or harass and sharing an intimate image without consent.
The boyfriend, 32, has a two-year Apprehended Violence Order in place against her after he was assaulted at a bus stop last month.
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I feel sad for many people in this case. It has certainly had a major effect on many people.
The parents, the investigators and OICs, the public POIs, the associated children.
I really hope that BM can pull herself together. If not for herself, then for all of her children. It has been far too long now that she has been having DV and other outbursts associated with her name. Since the time of Lindsay's removal.
And with this latest stalking event, it seems that her recent community corrections sentence may now change - be increased to something tougher. imo
"Sentenced to a community corrections order which requires her to be of good behaviour for 12 months, she was warned she could be resentenced if charged with another offence in the next year."
(From the DM link)
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I think she was having these kinds of issues before William went missing. I am sure that aggravated things but she had anger issues previously as well. I think those issues led to the removal of the 2 children, which is very sad.
JMO – While the Fosters would have derived a lot of enjoyment in raising William (despite the difficulties) … from 7 months onwards……
it is just my opinion that the FFC would consider that she had put in a lot of effort in doing that, and probably also had mixed emotions about whether William could ever really be considered ‘their boy’.
Following his disappearance (of which there appears to be no evidence connecting her) she probably nurtures feelings that she deserves thanks for caring for William up until then. Instead, she now finds herself having to defend herself against the Charges of alleged criminal behaviour. MOO
it is just my opinion that the FFC would consider that she had put in a lot of effort in doing that, and probably also had mixed emotions about whether William could ever really be considered ‘their boy’.
Following his disappearance (of which there appears to be no evidence connecting her) she probably nurtures feelings that she deserves thanks for caring for William up until then. Instead, she now finds herself having to defend herself against the Charges of alleged criminal behaviour. MOO
I guess it could depend on the individual--but I couldn't imagine, in similar circumstances, feeling that he wasn't my child. And the tearing pain of separation.
The circumstances surrounding the Fosters caring for William after being removed from his biological parents were complicated. There were still regular access meetings for William with his biological parents, and would there have been friction over that? And I wonder ………would that cause the Fosters to be reminded that they were really caring for William for his biological mother and father …….. no matter how much William was loved by the Fosters? MOO
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Not really complicated. imo
It is typical for foster parents to be caring for a child/ren for the State of NSW, or for whichever State that they reside in,
... and for access visits to happen with a biological parent(s),
... and for foster parents to be glad when school starts,
... and for foster parents to be glad when holidays start,
... and for all of the things that a biological parent experiences.
During the classes prospective foster parents must attend, they are taught what to expect. Because the complications come in when a foster child has been traumatised in their birth home, and many (all?) of them have been.
Speaking of what my friends (in SA) have experienced as foster parents.
I remember that FM offered to pay for BD's accommodation for the inquest, because he said (at the inquest) that he couldn't afford the accommodation so he could attend the inquest.
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Yes that was a kind gesture by William’s Mummy. That dear little infant William obviously gave so much joy to his families ….. heartbreaking to think of his life being cut short.
Looking at the timeline, I have never really thought too hard about an accident happening to WT via the carers due to the timeline and because I lean more towards the idea of him being moved on to other people. however....... If there was a fatal accident and cover up that morning, could it be that the main thought FFFC had, was that L being a foster child, it would be an untenable situation for her to remain with the carers, if WT had died. She possibly felt absolutely convinced that L would be removed and the whole family that they woke up with that morning would now be gone. Probably not the outcome that would happen for a biological family if it was found that a child was killed by accident. Would the fosters not be vulnerable to complaints being made about them by the bios? Would the situation not seem ironic and hypocritical? Maybe an accident did happen and all this flashed through the FFFC's mind. My ruminations only.
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I can't wait until we find out what the false and misleading information was that the Foster Parents gave to the NSW Crime Commission. Is it something trivial or something serious that could be viewed as a "gotcha moment" by the Public?
It just seems that so many facts are hidden or disputed in this case and the suppression orders that were in place for so long stopped the Foster Parents coming under heavy scrutiny early on IMO.
It just seems that so many facts are hidden or disputed in this case and the suppression orders that were in place for so long stopped the Foster Parents coming under heavy scrutiny early on IMO.
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Assuming that there will not be yet more suppression orders (rash assumption?) I am looking forward to finding out -- in the prosecution's opinion -- to what extent and under what circumstances the FPs are prepared to lie.
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I just want to clarify the bolded text???
At 4.02 on the video the Police Officer asks the MFC :-
"At what point - who called the police" - MFC replies bleep(bleeped out FFC's name).
Police Officer asks "Is that a discussion at all between yourself and bleep (bleeped out FFC's name) or "
MFC replies - "I saw bleep (bleeped out FFC's name) on the phone"
Who was FFC on the phone to when the MFC said she was on the phone - just before she calls the police??
Also was this the landline or her mobile.
If we take the timeline that the MFC came back at 10.35 and then went searching for William until maybe 10.50 when he approaches FFC on the phone.
15 minutes of searching the yards
10.56 call to Police
'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - Ben Fordham Live
The former chief detective in the William Tyrrell case has defended the way it was handled amid new revelations.
omny.fm
At 4.41 Ben Fordham in this interview with Detective Jubelin asks him does the FFC have a second phone?
Why would their be a need for a second phone and why would anyone think the FFC would have a second phone - any thoughts?
MOO
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I think there was a belief that the FFC did not take her mobile with her when she took William's Grandmother's car for the short drive and perhaps that she had her mobile switched off.
Also because she had her mobile switched off she didn't receive the text/message from the MFC saying back in 5 minutes.
So perhaps the phone the MFC was referring to when he said the "FFC was on the phone" prior to the 000 call was the Grandmother's home phone. So who was she speaking with and why? MOO
Also because she had her mobile switched off she didn't receive the text/message from the MFC saying back in 5 minutes.
So perhaps the phone the MFC was referring to when he said the "FFC was on the phone" prior to the 000 call was the Grandmother's home phone. So who was she speaking with and why? MOO
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