Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #21

[JLZ]

The picture example here is what I have been talking about. The Daily Telegraph has been using the right hand poorer quality picture even in 2016 when they could have a better quality picture. Considering they are acting as the police friend I thought they would use something better. What might be interesting is taking the good quality picture on the left hand side and seeing how much work has been done on that image by way of air brushing and alteration. MOO

Arguably the uncleaned-up image on the right is a better likeness. I really don't like the idea of missing persons' images being 'improved'.

 

[JLZ]

Is there any consensus about the photographs of William on the balcony or the one on the wall of Strike Force Rosann's Incident Room yet?

My money's on richie's post (above) regarding the original and 'digitised' duplicate of this one taken on the verandah of FGM's former residence prior to William's disappearance. I doubt if investigators would allow MSM, no matter how friendly they are with certain reporters, access to the original .jpeg file.

Same goes for the poor quality reproduction of the 'Skype image'. Chain of evidence is extremely important for digital evidence as it is easily altered and, thus, easily thrown out of court. CSI 101.

I think Richie makes a very good point about the 'Skype' image being the result of serial reproductions.

 

[frogwell]

Is there any consensus about the photographs of William on the balcony or the one on the wall of Strike Force Rosann's Incident Room yet?

My money's on richie's post (above) regarding the original and 'digitised' duplicate of this one taken on the verandah of FGM's former residence prior to William's disappearance. I doubt if investigators would allow MSM, no matter how friendly they are with certain reporters, access to the original .jpeg file.

Same goes for the poor quality reproduction of the 'Skype image'. Chain of evidence is extremely important for digital evidence as it is easily altered and, thus, easily thrown out of court. CSI 101.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-three-year-olds-street-day-went-missing.html

The copy of this photo in the Daily Mail article above is copyrighted to the NSW police. It is a much better version of the photo than the copy the Daily Telegraph uses. I can still see where the same image used in the Where's William campaign has whitened his teeth and the light points in his eyes. So I am in 2 minds, the reprinting of the image for media has corrupted the image more along the way. The same image has been altered for the Where's William campaign. MOO

 

[frogwell]

I personally don't think there is anything odd with William's face or neck in the 'Skype' image. IMO it's shot indoors, with a web cam, then streamed over web, then screen-captured on another computer/phone/tablet, then printed at A4 on a desktop printer and stuck on a wall, then filmed on a TV camera, then broadcast on air/web, then screen-captured again, zoomed, skewed, cropped and uploaded here.

For example, here's how image quality gives some bruising effects (left - poster from WW.org; right - Herald Sun).

Just bumping this post so the pictures are close to the pictures in my post for comparison sake.

 

[crabstick]

The issue with skype, is it is heavily compressed according the data rate afforded by the connection.

In this case it could be a crappy web cam given the year the image may have been snap shot. The red is just poor light and horrible camera I think. And of course, it could be possible light reflected back from the device screen saver etc onto Williams face.

It probably relates to hue and saturation of the web cam in that light.

I think Richie makes a very good point about the 'Skype' image being the result of serial reproductions.

 

[Warshawski]

I think the bio father must be the issue not KT herself. Who knows what really went on in the relationship and how in danger they were ... the sister is older. And i believe those photos were probably taken on access visits. Parents who aren't a danger to their children can have those with their fostered kids. I went to uni with a woman who supervised and facilitated such visits.

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thanks Eloise .. Now I'm more confused! I thought the sister was younger. If older, I would have thought she would have had much more to say about what happened that day.

So .. maybe that / she is the key. Maybe she spilled the beans and police are just waiting for the trap to be tripped.

It's all so far removed from the scope of my comprehension. I can do nothing, but pray for peace for William & his family.

 

[Warshawski]

I personally don't think there is anything odd with William's face or neck in the 'Skype' image. IMO it's shot indoors, with a web cam, then streamed over web, then screen-captured on another computer/phone/tablet, then printed at A4 on a desktop printer and stuck on a wall, then filmed on a TV camera, then broadcast on air/web, then screen-captured again, zoomed, skewed, cropped and uploaded here.

For example, here's how image quality gives some bruising effects (left - poster from WW.org; right - Herald Sun).

Seems I'm always so far behind! In my comparisons of photos I was never even aware of these contrasts. I was looking at the 'slightly spaced out appearance' (in the moment a snap can be anything horrible as I am sure we can all attest to!).

IM (most humble)O, I don't read anything into the above. Journalism needs to find an angle, and sadly these days it is to sensationalise where ever an opportunity exists - with no humanitarian consideration.

I do think it productive if we could now go back and produce some sort of Gant / timeline chart from which we can reassemble in our contributions.

Sadly it's not viable for me to put my hand up, as I am clearly lacking in so much vital information.

Is is anyone up for this?

(Just a personal thought of course, not sure if it is of any value )

 

[crabstick]

I think the red could be a reflection off the spiderman suit on the crappy web cam. Then the image was cleaned up. I guess we will only know when it is said.

Of course if the image was low DPI, bringing the DPI up may have left the red. But it is definitely a result of abuse as suggested on the net.

I think Richie makes a very good point about the 'Skype' image being the result of serial reproductions.

 

[crabstick]

This is definitely a result of image compression, and lower DPI

 

[crabstick]

This is the left hand image compressed a lot with lowered DPI. Maybe the right hand image is a scan of a newspaper print?

 

[Bohemian]

I think the red could be a reflection off the spiderman suit on the crappy web cam. Then the image was cleaned up. I guess we will only know when it is said.

Of course if the image was low DPI, bringing the DPI up may have left the red. But it is definitely a result of abuse as suggested on the net.

So, forgive me for being confused, but are you saying that the 'Skype image' of William is not only due to its poor reproduction quality, but it also shows definite 'evidence of [his, i presume, physical?] abuse as suggested on the net'?

How so, what evidence of abuse and where 'on the net' is that suggestion made?

 

[Bohemian]

One question I feel has been overlooked regarding the 'Skype image' of William:

Why would someone take a screenshot of William from a Skype call?

From what I know of Skype, and other WSers are welcome to correct me, digital images and/or sound files are not automatically recorded on your device. I presume there would be some 'hack' available to record Skype calls but that, and whether or not they can be retrieved from Skype's servers, are something of which I have no knowledge. They do, however, raise more questions:

From where, and how, was the 'Skype image' of William retrieved?

 

[Hbayne]

One question I feel has been overlooked regarding the 'Skype image' of William:

Why would someone take a screenshot of William from a Skype call?

From what I know of Skype, and other WSers are welcome to correct me, digital images and/or sound files are not automatically recorded on your device. I presume there would be some 'hack' available to record Skype calls but that, and whether or not they can be retrieved from Skype's servers, are something of which I have no knowledge. They do, however, raise more questions:

From where, and how, was the 'Skype image' of William retrieved?

I'm thinking the same way as that photo of the little girl recently.

 

[Wexford]

I'm thinking the same way as that photo of the little girl recently.

Im thinking another possibility is that maybe if my child was in foster care and I didn't get to see him a lot but could talk to him on Skype....I might take a pic of the screen when I am talking to him so I have a still pic to look at when I am not talking on Skype to him??

 

[ZooSleuth]

One question I feel has been overlooked regarding the 'Skype image' of William:

Why would someone take a screenshot of William from a Skype call?

From what I know of Skype, and other WSers are welcome to correct me, digital images and/or sound files are not automatically recorded on your device. I presume there would be some 'hack' available to record Skype calls but that, and whether or not they can be retrieved from Skype's servers, are something of which I have no knowledge. They do, however, raise more questions:

From where, and how, was the 'Skype image' of William retrieved?

I would say it's pretty likely that Skype doesn't store actual recordings of video or voice calls. There would be some huge privacy issues if they did. I bet whoever took it didn't know how to take a screenshot on their computer so they took a photo of the computer screen with a phone or camera.

How do we know the photo is from Skype and not FaceTime or some other video call app? Or was that assumed?

 

[ZooSleuth]

Im thinking another possibility is that maybe if my child was in foster care and I didn't get to see him a lot but could talk to him on Skype....I might take a pic of the screen when I am talking to him so I have a still pic to look at when I am not talking on Skype to him??

Seeing as how biological parents aren't supposed to know anything about foster parents, how would it work that you could Skype with your kid while in their care? I don't know how foster care works but I was under the impression you were cut off from your children if they ended up in foster care.

 

[richieswan]

I would say it's pretty likely that Skype doesn't store actual recordings of video or voice calls. There would be some huge privacy issues if they did. I bet whoever took it didn't know how to take a screenshot on their computer so they took a photo of the computer screen with a phone or camera.

How do we know the photo is from Skype and not FaceTime or some other video call app? Or was that assumed?

'Skype' is a phrase I used. It refers to any sort of video call. The easiest way to take a screen-capture is on a smart phone or tablet.

 

[ZooSleuth]

'Skype' is a phrase I used. It refers to any sort of video call. The easiest way to take a screen-capture is on a smart phone or tablet.

Technically Skype is a specific service that can make video calls and not an all-encompassing term for any video call. You probably know that, just making sure we're on the same page.

 

[louisepiglet]

Can anyone enlighten me as to the procedure for adopting a fostered child. Do the bio parents have to give their consent? If a child has been fostered for a number of years is it still possible for the bio parents to have their child returned to them. I am wondering if there was some sort of decision regarding William's situation coming up around the time of his abduction.

 

[Bohemian]

I would say it's pretty likely that Skype doesn't store actual recordings of video or voice calls. There would be some huge privacy issues if they did. I bet whoever took it didn't know how to take a screenshot on their computer so they took a photo of the computer screen with a phone or camera.

How do we know the photo is from Skype and not FaceTime or some other video call app? Or was that assumed?

It's been assumed AFAIK, ZS and that particular image has been referred to ad nauseum as coming from Skype. (That's why I type Skype in single quotation marks.) A much better description would be '60 Minutes image' from whence it came, again AFAIK.

Digital 'evidence' is dodgy enough to interpret given the original so, honestly, I don't think we're going to get any definitive information from the reproductions. Happy to be proven wrong, as usual.