Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #31

[bearbear]

Do you think someone flew out of Camden Haven?
Aviation records would not be hard to check would they?

maybe? just another angle, could someone have privately hired/chartered a plane?
sounds a bit far fetched, but maybe?
its only 10 mins from benaroon drive kendall and has accomodation there too

 

[SouthAussie]

Wow thanks SA - good shot.
Can you get one looking at the club from the car park.

The car park on Ocean Drive wonder if there are any cctv.
I could not believe that railway station camera was able to snap the Ristevski's car.
It was the car alright but just could not capture the driver.
There were a couple of hundred of that make and model car in the state. What did it take, over a year before that information was released in msn?
Strategy I guess.

Imagine the job the taskforce had tracking down white station wagons (1000"s) grey sedans (1000's) and white work vans.
Maybe that is what the strategy was. Narrow down the numbers a little and check all available cctv. Check a few alibi's of those in the street, or potentially expected to be in the street.

Why put the 2,3,4 cars out in the public arena and end up with a car being a red herring, and the focus.

Slowly, slowly wins the race.
imo

I reckon there may be a camera here ... and it seems it may look out onto the road to Laurieton, as you can see by the 2nd pic. (The 2nd pic shows the direction that the camera may look in.)

 

[sosocurious]

maybe? just another angle, could someone have privately hired/chartered a plane?
sounds a bit far fetched, but maybe?

Possible but wouldn't it need to be registered in the skies. Especially with all the security these days.
imo

 

[sosocurious]

I reckon there may be a camera here ... and it seems it may look out onto the road to Laurieton, as you can see by the 2nd pic. (The 2nd pic shows the direction that the camera may look in.)

Thanks SA .... :thinking:

 

[SouthAussie]

maybe? just another angle, could someone have privately hired/chartered a plane?
sounds a bit far fetched, but maybe?

I am concerned about why the first, better-looking car was on Benaroon Drive that morning. I keep wracking my brain over why two cars?? If this was a planned abduction, why wouldn't the person who may be the receiver of William (maybe the 1st car) wait elsewhere? No need for both cars to be exposed to possible identification.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Well, I just listened to part one of that podcast. So much better hearing foster mum's (and dad's) words than reading about it in MSM.

Have to think on this for a while. What were the cars doing there? What did they see? That they were there at all was unusual to her, and now I see why. Long walk down anyone's driveway if they were visitors. Not the done thing.

The only innocent thing that I can think of at the moment is looking at that house for sale, as you don't park in the driveway when you are doing that. They were right in front of that house. But that sounds like a longish time to be looking at a house for sale. And they wouldn't have been cleaning it out, as then they would be parked right on the premises.


Here is the link again, to Part One, for those who have not heard it. Well worth the 19 mins of your life to listen.

https://soundcloud.com/daily-telegr...s-mum-and-dads-most-detailed-interview-part-1

Thanks for this link again SA
A couple of things still stand out...

FM said she immediately thought William had been taken... Why? Had there been a previous threat? Did she know KT & BC had previously hidden him to prevent FACS from taking him?

The cars only reported in MSM a year later.. Despite FM explanation I just don't believe they were there as FF & Wilsons drove by & possibly others and never saw them. I still think this was a LE ploy






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[SouthAussie]

Thanks SA .... :thinking:

There is a little lump - possibly cameras - under the eaves on all sides of the building that I think I can see. Hard to get super close to the building. Wish I could walk into the car park itself.

 

[sosocurious]

I am concerned about why the first, better-looking car was on Benaroon Drive that morning. I keep wracking my brain over why two cars?? If this was a planned abduction, why wouldn't the person who may be the receiver of William (maybe the 1st car) wait elsewhere? No need for both cars to be exposed to possible identification.

Well if it was planned what would you expect to be all over msm pretty promptly... the two cars parked in the street.... I suppose.
When a third could have just cruised in and out, maybe unnoticed.

I just am not sure about the two parked cars.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks for this link again SA
A couple of things still stand out...

FM said she immediately thought William had been taken... Why? Had there been a previous threat? Did she know KT & BC had previously hidden him to prevent FACS from taking him?

The cars only reported in MSM a year later.. Despite FM explanation I just don't believe they were there as FF & Wilsons dove by & never saw them. I still think this was a LE ploy






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Yes, I am of two minds that it may be a ploy, as well. Foster mum did really well with her explanation, but I kept waiting for foster dad to weigh in about them ... and he didn't. He weighed in about everything else.

Foster mum said her gut was telling her that William had been taken, that it was all too strange. That she couldn't see red anywhere (William's spiderman suit). It was too quick for him to be out of sight already. I have to say, when she said that, my mind flicked back to falling down a drain hole. Yes, yes, yes, I know it has been discounted. But that is where my mind went right away.

 

[sosocurious]

There is a little lump - possibly cameras - under the eaves on all sides of the building that I think I can see. Hard to get super close to the building. Wish I could walk into the car park itself.

I have no doubt there would be camera's somewhere covering that car park and potentially out to the road.
imo

 

[kiwi50]

I am concerned about why the first, better-looking car was on Benaroon Drive that morning. I keep wracking my brain over why two cars?? If this was a planned abduction, why wouldn't the person who may be the receiver of William (maybe the 1st car) wait elsewhere? No need for both cars to be exposed to possible identification.

I just cant see either car parking there in a planned abduction, unless they are dumb and dumber, they might have had to park there for three days, simply on the chance that William might at some point run around outside by himself.

 

[bearbear]

I am concerned about why the first, better-looking car was on Benaroon Drive that morning. I keep wracking my brain over why two cars?? If this was a planned abduction, why wouldn't the person who may be the receiver of William (maybe the 1st car) wait elsewhere? No need for both cars to be exposed to possible identification.

if the better car was the receiver maybe they needed to see who they were buying and then the transaction was completed elsewhere, then going their separate ways maybe to the motel or airfield or main highway?
it all sounds so complicated though
i always wonder what that police woman first on scene saw that troubled her enough to think it was something more sinister than a child lost in the bush?

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Yes, I am of two minds that it may be a ploy, as well. Foster mum did really well with her explanation, but I kept waiting for foster dad to weigh in about them ... and he didn't. He weighed in about everything else.

Foster mum said her gut was telling her that William had been taken, that it was all too strange. That she couldn't see red anywhere (William's spiderman suit). It was too quick for him to be out of sight already. I have to say, when she said that, my mind flicked back to falling down a drain hole. Yes, yes, yes, I know it has been discounted. But that is where my mind went right away.

Lol. Yes please don't mention the drain holes or septic tanks again.
I think I still recall the exact measurements of the drain clearances after so much close scrutiny


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[bearbear]

http://camdenhavenairfield.com.au/

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

not sure if this was discussed earlier but theres a small airfield at camden haven which isnt far from kendall?

It was recently raised on the highly contentious FB page which to me has no credibility on possible ' criminali '. There will be another accusation raised in the next 24 hours which will be totally unrelated I'm sure.

To be fair though bearbear, I don't think it had been previously raised and the close proximity is concerning. Public record of flight data and passengers may not necessarily include all passengers if intentionally concealed


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[Warshawski]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-toddler-William-Tyrell.html#ixzz3PRIpvsvA


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This comes as a friend of Mr Spedding has laid out the detailed alibi he told police when questioned about his whereabouts around 10.30am September 12, when William went missing.

A friend told Daily Mail Australia that Mr Spedding went to his Laurieton office on Bold St on the morning of September 12.

He had received a part needed to fix William's grandmother's washing machine, after attending the Kendall home three days earlier for a quote, and attempted to ring her to make an appointment.

The friend said Mr Spedding then went to go meet his wife for coffee at Buzz Cafe, 140m away from his office on the opposite side of the street. Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while'.

She told Daily Mail Australia that police had come into the cafe to ask if she recalled seeing Mr Spedding on September 12. 'I've seen him before but I can't remember that specific day,' she told Daily Mail Australia.

The friend said Mr Spedding and his wife then walked across the road to Laurieton Public School to attend a presentation for their grandson.

He told Daily Mail Australia Mr Spedding said he had also attended the presentation with a family friend who was taking photos.

Mr Spedding has asked her to review her pictures to see if he is in any of them, the friend said. On September 12, following the presentation, Mr Spedding went to a job in nearby Dunbogan before ringing William's grandmother again.


So he tried to call twice that day & what became of those photos taken at the school ??:thinking:

Cheers Doc. I've read this article a few times previously & a few things struck me.

Aside from the obvious (IMO ) that it's all a crock of sh#^%, fed to the mouthpiece in order to build up an alibi, I was scratching my head as to Why a sole-trader electrical repair man, would maintain an office in town. Most I know wouldn't be able to afford that luxury, they run their business from home.

As I said, IMO ..

 

[BigT]

My hypothesis.

All The POI and a few others are having a rock spider meeting that morning, perhaps at bowling club car park.

One of them knows a lot about the FF because he gets information from a friend. Also one of them has been to FG house, doing some work, saw a note on the fridge, grandkids are visiting.

During the meeting they see the FF drive past, on his way to do some business. They then drive away in a number of cars, one follows the FF to keep an eye on him, the other two drive to the house where they know the out of town kid will be.

Then, not expecting to snatch him on that day, they park their cars to look at how they can plan access and are presented with an opportunity to snatch.

The snatch is made in the car that has not been examined, no phones were used, because they just drove away, met up with the rest of the network by driving to tell.

Who is driving the other car?

SN program mentioned the FF leaving the house. All have been eliminated but the movements still might mean something.

So on my hypothesis, the SN program was to send a message to the driver of the second car, tell us what happened, who else was there, where is William and collect 1M dollars and disappear.

 

[SouthAussie]

I have trouble seeing Jones as being a part of this. He seems like such a pathetic weak link to me. If he is a part of it, I am surprised that he is still breathing.
He, of all people, would be most likely to throw anyone else under the bus, with enough police pressure imo.

Of course, that is speculation based on his kazillion offences, his volatile nature, and his (guessed at) heavy drinking.

 

[SouthAussie]

I just cant see either car parking there in a planned abduction, unless they are dumb and dumber, they might have had to park there for three days, simply on the chance that William might at some point run around outside by himself.

Yes, that is my feeling, too.

I still lean heavily toward Spedding and an opportunistic crime.

 

[bearbear]

i typed ocean drive north haven into google and looking at the aerial view you see how much forest there is along houston mitchell drive! its so vast! william could be anywhere!