Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #35

[stormyseas]

I never said or indicated in any way that the main (and only) POI "that he did and always had and still does live in Port Macquarie". Dont know where that came from. What I did clearly indicate was that he was living in Port Macquarie at the time of William's disappearance. At the time of the Bowraville abductions and murders he lived in Bowraville, in a caravan parked in his mother / stepfather's driveway.

You really do need to watch the Bowraville documentaries to understand that case to see why that POI may be involved. In one of the documentaries he calls DCI Jubelin "vindictive" and perhaps this POI decided to turn the table!

So you are thinking the main suspect in the Bowraville murders may be a suspect in William’s disappearance? How do you know he was living in Port Macquarie at the time of William’s disappearance? A link would be much appreciated.

 

[Josie2014]

The POI in the Bowraville murders lived in the Newcastle area in March 2013. ( I have a link, but it shows the POI's name which I am reluctant to post)

Papertrail do you have a link to the POI living in Port Macquarie. I can see he attended Supreme court in Port Macquarie in 2006 but what proof is there he resided in PM?

 

[deugirtni]

Sorry, where is Port Macquarie in relation to Kendall? (How far?) Are we thinking that it was a 'random' opportunity, or that this POI in the other cases somehow planned it?

 

[Chloexx]

I just read through the Kendall Chronicle in 2014 to see if there was something in it. Couldn't find much. The newspaper's publication stopped in 2015. The business directory didn't mention BS' business. I couldn't check the old Camden Haven Courier newspapers. I was trying to find a link on how FG contacted BS. i.e. how did she get his details. Was he referred by a friend?

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[deugirtni]

May be when GJ mentioned "one of the POIs had previously tried to mislead the case"

May be GJ was referring to the resident who complained about scream from the C.park ?

Forgive me, I'm not remembering GJ mentioning "one of the POIs had previously tried to mislead the case". Do you have a link to refresh my memory? TY!

 

[deugirtni]

I do remeber in earlier days of WT case, there was a mention of caravan park in the media.

Also remeber rumours(may be not) that a resident close to caravan park had said that he/she heard a child's scream coming from the direction of caravan park.

There's also a caravan park located 23 Batar creek road. It's close to the search site.
www.camdenhavenshow.org.au/

Also the caravan park you are referring to was at The Haven caravan park at Laurieton
Caravan park searched in the hunt for missing toddler William Tyrell

Forgive me if I am mistaken, however I didn't get the impression that pt was suggesting that the caravan park in WT's case was related in any way to the POI in the Bowraville murders, but I could be wrong. I guess a little more clarity would help?

 

[MRichards]

We can put the septic tank theory to bed. Kendall is on deep sewerage:

The Kew/Kendall Sewerage Scheme consists of a sewerage treatment plant (STP) and a pipeline network and pumping stations to serve the three townships of Kew, Kendall and Herons Creek. The STP is located on the Pacific Highway at Herons Creek.

The plant has a capacity of 1,720 EP - in other words, it has the capacity to treat raw sewage equivalent to that generated by a population of 1,720 people.

Kew/Kendall Sewerage Scheme - Port Macquarie-Hastings Council

And yet Makara was told by an estate agent that all Benaroon Drive was on septic tanks (thread 24, post 1128). No doubt central Kendall is on deep sewerage, but it's not certain that that extends to the outer estates.

Besides, it has been reported that septic tanks were searched for William's remains. This was in the context of neighbours talking about how their roof cavities and car boots and so on were searched I believe. I don't think it was referring exclusively to the pumping of Spedding's.

On Wednesday, police dug up the yard of a tradesman’s home in the town of Bonny Hills and drained a septic tank.

They also seized a computer and single mattress from a unit in Laurieton, near Kendall, where the man once ran a pawnbroking business.

Category: | Herald Sun

Broader info.

Detectives have investigated and interviewed William’s wider family and checked his father was where he said he was. All have been cleared.

The dogs did not pick up any scent trails to suggest William wandered off.

It says here, but I question whether there is a lack of accuracy in reporting with only 1700 odd residence in Kendall.
Deep sewerage grids must be justified financially.
Especially since septic tanks had already been mentioned in regards to Bonnyhills.
It clearly states in the link deep sewerage system installed in Kendall. There is no evidence of septic at FGMs in aerials.

However it does say they were searched.

EVERY one of the 21 houses in the exclusive estate around his grandmother’s house have been searched from top to bottom twice, including roof cavities and septic tanks.

Do note there cannot be trees near septic tanks. Tanks are usually not too far from the house at the rear.

https://earth.app.goo.gl/?apn=com.g...6b-oz_AIU1pWOczFmNAKgtCZW5hcm9vbiBEchgBIAEoAg

 

[Chloexx]

JLZ,
Do you have a source for FGMs septic tanks being searched please?

I posted this article before, I think this is what you’re looking for
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...e/news-story/9a64aae508a274864409ab59679af808

 

[frogwell]

Sorry, where is Port Macquarie in relation to Kendall? (How far?) Are we thinking that it was a 'random' opportunity, or that this POI in the other cases somehow planned it?

It's roughly 30km away from Kendall

 

[Chloexx]

Forgive me if I am mistaken, however I didn't get the impression that pt was suggesting that the caravan park in WT's case was related in any way to the POI in the Bowraville murders, but I could be wrong. I guess a little more clarity would help?

I was answering the question above. I think they were suggesting a link to the Bowraville murders.

Can you or someone please clarify why the Bowraville case is important to WT case ? The case had multiple victims that were Aboriginal. Each victim was taken the same way. WT is Caucasian and there was only one incident that happened that year. Serial killers always go for a commonality . Like look at Jack the Ripper for example. I know it’s a cliche example. But all his victims were the same.

Also are you suggesting the Bowraville suspect would have to have known that WT was at his FG house as the cars were parked outside. Does the Bowraville suspect have any links of knowing he was there ? Or did simply just wait outside in a random street ? Waiting to snatch WT?

Sorry I’m just finding it hard to find links. I understand he might have had links to Port Macquarie but are we certain he was at Kendall when WT disappeared? Plus there were two cars parked outside FG house. In the Bowraville case he acted alone, why would he change strategy and partner up?

 

[Willowpea]

Hi everyone this is my first time posting here but I have been following Williams thread for quite a while.

Recently GJ worked on a murder case in my own town, a young lady was murdered and her small child was present in the home. Our small town was rife with rumours for weeks, but the police remained tight lipped and what information was given to the community was really strategical and carefully worded. Eventually some of the people who knew what had happened/were involved somehow started coming out of the brick work the police raided some of their POIs (I guess you would call them) homes and arrested them on completely separate charges, their names were then printed in the papers. They eventually charged one man out of that group for the murder, and it turned out that the police had had problems placing all the events together because this man had committed the murder and then travelled 5 hours away and committed a break and enter where they had his finger prints.

Even though these cases are so different I think there are so many similarities. And I think there are so many things we don’t know, yet. I believe GJ and his team know who is responsible for Williams disappearance, but I don’t think they are being complacent they’re exhausting all other possibilities too. I think they are just biding their time, gathering information putting it all together, shaking trees, listening to the chatter and waiting for people to crack until they can make their move, I really hoped that move would be last week. Every time I check in on here and see a quick rise in the number of pages my heart races a little, they really have to be close now

 

[Morrisa]

Hi everyone this is my first time posting here but I have been following Williams thread for quite a while.

Recently GJ worked on a murder case in my own town, a young lady was murdered and her small child was present in the home. Our small town was rife with rumours for weeks, but the police remained tight lipped and what information was given to the community was really strategical and carefully worded. Eventually some of the people who knew what had happened/were involved somehow started coming out of the brick work the police raided some of their POIs (I guess you would call them) homes and arrested them on completely separate charges, their names were then printed in the papers. They eventually charged one man out of that group for the murder, and it turned out that the police had had problems placing all the events together because this man had committed the murder and then travelled 5 hours away and committed a break and enter where they had his finger prints.

Even though these cases are so different I think there are so many similarities. And I think there are so many things we don’t know, yet. I believe GJ and his team know who is responsible for Williams disappearance, but I don’t think they are being complacent they’re exhausting all other possibilities too. I think they are just biding their time, gathering information putting it all together, shaking trees, listening to the chatter and waiting for people to crack until they can make their move, I really hoped that move would be last week. Every time I check in on here and see a quick rise in the number of pages my heart races a little, they really have to be close now

Welcome! Thank you for sharing! Amazing similarities. My heart was racing reading that!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

The POI in the Bowraville murders lived in the Newcastle area in March 2013. ( I have a link, but it shows the POI's name which I am reluctant to post)

Papertrail do you have a link to the POI living in Port Macquarie. I can see he attended Supreme court in Port Macquarie in 2006 but what proof is there he resided in PM?

There is my "castle", which I was searching for .... (beside thinking about something with "creek" or "stone").

 

[Deleted member 102539]

rsbm
Sorry I’m just finding it hard to find links. I understand he might have had links to Port Macquarie but are we certain he was at Kendall when WT disappeared? Plus there were two cars parked outside FG house. In the Bowraville case he acted alone, why would he change strategy and partner up?

Perhaps he is now a member of a "ring"?

 

[deugirtni]

I can't read the linked articles, Deugirtni, but from what you're quoting it doesn't appear to have been reported which of the local septic tanks were camera-investigated or whether grandmother's was one of them. As I said before, it may have been sufficiently obvious in some cases that the tanks had not been recently accessed. As to the different method used for BS's tank, that might have had to do with the amount of time that had passed, and perhaps also because there was reason to think that some suspect material had been flushed from the house through the pipes.

"EVERY one of the 21 houses in the exclusive estate around his grandmother’s house have been searched from top to bottom twice, including roof cavities and septic tanks."
Category: | Herald Sun

"By early afternoon that first day, word had spread that a little boy was missing. The community responded and by 1pm there were close to 100 people combing the bush. More came when school finished and there was another surge as folks got home from work. They searched late into the night. Nothing.


"In the days since, there has been a co-ordinated search involving hundreds of specialist police, the SES, Rural Fire Service, the pony club and locals. Dams have been drained and divers have searched others. Cameras have been put down septic tanks and drains. Not a sandal or scrap of cloth from the Spider-Man suit has turned up."
Nocookies

 

[coincidencehasreason]

Forgive me if I am mistaken, however I didn't get the impression that pt was suggesting that the caravan park in WT's case was related in any way to the POI in the Bowraville murders, but I could be wrong. I guess a little more clarity would help?

I am not indicating by any means that caravan park and Bowraville are related. I was trying to make some sense to pt post and that reminded me about caravan park.

 

[coincidencehasreason]

Hi everyone this is my first time posting here but I have been following Williams thread for quite a while.

Recently GJ worked on a murder case in my own town, a young lady was murdered and her small child was present in the home. Our small town was rife with rumours for weeks, but the police remained tight lipped and what information was given to the community was really strategical and carefully worded. Eventually some of the people who knew what had happened/were involved somehow started coming out of the brick work the police raided some of their POIs (I guess you would call them) homes and arrested them on completely separate charges, their names were then printed in the papers. They eventually charged one man out of that group for the murder, and it turned out that the police had had problems placing all the events together because this man had committed the murder and then travelled 5 hours away and committed a break and enter where they had his finger prints.

Even though these cases are so different I think there are so many similarities. And I think there are so many things we don’t know, yet. I believe GJ and his team know who is responsible for Williams disappearance, but I don’t think they are being complacent they’re exhausting all other possibilities too. I think they are just biding their time, gathering information putting it all together, shaking trees, listening to the chatter and waiting for people to crack until they can make their move, I really hoped that move would be last week. Every time I check in on here and see a quick rise in the number of pages my heart races a little, they really have to be close now

Welcome. I remeber a case took place in our suburb although GJ wasn't incharge. Interesting thing in the case was that police kept saying till the last day in the interviews to press that they don't suspect certain peoples involvment and bang! they arrested those very people who they didn't suspect.

 

[Eloise]

Welcome. I remeber a case took place in our suburb although GJ wasn't incharge. Interesting thing in the case was that police kept saying till the last day in the interviews to press that they don't suspect certain peoples involvment and bang! they arrested those very people who they didn't suspect.

Indeed. Can make people feel comfortable running their mouths if they think nobody suspects them. Stops them lawyering up too.

 

[deugirtni]

I was answering the question above. I think they were suggesting a link to the Bowraville murders.

Can you or someone please clarify why the Bowraville case is important to WT case ? The case had multiple victims that were Aboriginal. Each victim was taken the same way. WT is Caucasian and there was only one incident that happened that year. Serial killers always go for a commonality . Like look at Jack the Ripper for example. I know it’s a cliche example. But all his victims were the same.

Also are you suggesting the Bowraville suspect would have to have known that WT was at his FG house as the cars were parked outside. Does the Bowraville suspect have any links of knowing he was there ? Or did simply just wait outside in a random street ? Waiting to snatch WT?

Sorry I’m just finding it hard to find links. I understand he might have had links to Port Macquarie but are we certain he was at Kendall when WT disappeared? Plus there were two cars parked outside FG house. In the Bowraville case he acted alone, why would he change strategy and partner up?

It is not certain that either or both of the the 2 cars that were reportedly seen by FM when WT disappeared are either a mystery to police or connected to any perp(s).

I'm not sure it was certain that any of the named POIs in this case were in Kendall when WT disappeared?

The Bowraville case is not necessarily important to this WT case, however it is a fresh idea offered up as a fresh potential theory by a WS member, so possibly worth looking into?

 

[papertrail]

And where and how does the same sex relationship fit in? Sorry to be dim, but I just haven’t read about this before.

Where on earth did you get the information to jump to the conclusion 'same sex relationship'. I indicated the 1st Bowraville victim had stayed in the main POI's caravan the night prior (with her girlfriend) to the 1st abduction / murder. That is it. Just stayed in the caravan.