Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[purpleandgreen]

And equally they might NOT have a right to be!

Why not? We all have the right to be vexed, if we want. IMO.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Dont buy that for a nano second.

I wish we knew someone who knew one of them, then we could find out for sure. I don't suppose any Wsers, or friends of any WSers can help? Would be great to know.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Dont buy that for a nano second.

Curious what your theory is, pt? We've heard most other people's.

 

[louisepiglet]

Makes me wonder if Lambert was not ready for the case to go to the Coroner, but Jubelin has decided that is exactly what will now happen.

They both could be filled with deep disappointment that they have not been able to get the suspect(s) definitively tied down and charged, but Jubelin is known to utilise the coronial system to compel others to speak and try to break things open.
It is time.

JULY 5 - The latest search ends with Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin saying the case could soon go to a coroner.
William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

I wonder if one of them are not open to other theories and is singlemindedly sticking to one theory.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if one of them are not open to other theories and is singlemindedly sticking to one theory.

And that is why they have allowed MSM to know that there are 5 primary POIs/suspects?

I think I believe Bo's suggestion that Lambert might have used Jubes’ tea mug and forgot to wash it up, more than thinking either of them is single minded.

 

[purpleandgreen]

None of these names have been DECLARED SUSPECTS by NSW Police
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Police hone in on five suspects relating to William Tyrrell’s disappearance

HOMICIDE detectives are focusing on five “high priority” suspects linked to the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell.

I recall not so long ago there was a lengthy discussion when these pressers were released. Suspects / POIs. Semantics. I don't care whether they're POI or a suspect, as long as the police get them if they were involved in even the slightest way in William's abduction, or know the slightest thing or even suspect the slightest thing and haven't come forward. IMO

 

[louisepiglet]

And that is why they have allowed MSM to know that there are 5 primary POIs/suspects?

I think I believe Bo's suggestion that Lambert might have used Jubes’ tea mug and forgot to wash it up, more than thinking either of them is single minded.

There might be 5 primary POI's/suspects but they all know each other and relate to the one general theory.

 

[SouthAussie]

There might be 5 primary POI's/suspects but they all know each other and relate to the one general theory.

I think that is a presumption. As we actually do not know who all 5 primary POIs/suspects are, and have just been speculating on that.

 

[Bohemian]

Just a bit of dry humour...

 

[butterstick]

Why is there no other MSM on this story? The public interest is there. All I can say about this situation is, you don't get acquitted unless there is reasonable doubt and with the documents the DPP had with terrible allegations against the defendant, the defence was able to prove reasonable doubt. With the DPP knowing that to begin with, why did they pursue the case? Again in Victoria, why did the DPP decide to prosecute to begin with if it didn't have compelling evidence or less evidence than the NSW case.

You raise some interesting points and thanks for adding alternative angles to this forum.

I think everyone was hoping these historical cases could surface some accurate information, and maybe drag some things into the light.

But all they've done is highlight the massive undertow surrounding WT.

I've said it a hundred times on here.... it's frustrating that BS has sucked up so much attention thanks partly to the media's scare campaign around boogey men.

(not saying BS didn't have questions to answer).

The damage has been done. BS name has been dragged through the press for about 3.5 years, ... < snip>

But also the damage to WT's case. So many people confident that the pedo-ring direction is worth their time and anger (and WTs airtime). It's definitely an angle, but why on earth was the media allowed to run riot?

Interestingly, when the same sloppy tabloid Murdoch papers run a story about Jubelin having hot headed arguments with his staff (perhaps even physicality!) .... so many people are quick to call out bad reporting...... we know Murdoch and ACA, etc, are woeful..... yet when it comes to salacious details of personal lives of those in lower social standings, we take everything as gospel and gleefully extrapolate worst case scenarios.

 

[Blues Clues]

I would assume you have all heard about the historic and currently unsolved case known as Mr Cruel in Victoria.

I was very disturbed to find the No 2 SUSPECT in that case lived in Lake Cathie in a caravan park up until June 2014 and fled to canada with his canadian wife.

Yes he left before Williams abduction but why did he choose Lake Cathie to flee to from Victoria?

Then the attempted abduction of 6yo boy in Lake Cathie on 5 march 2015 one day after Long Point Trail search.

Too many things getting linked in this area.

Not sure where your info is from PT as there's no link, but just for the record there is no caravan park in Lake Cathie.

I would assume you have all heard about the historic and currently unsolved case known as Mr Cruel in Victoria.

I was very disturbed to find the No 2 SUSPECT in that case lived in Lake Cathie in a caravan park up until June 2014 and fled to canada with his canadian wife.

Yes he left before Williams abduction but why did he choose Lake Cathie to flee to from Victoria?

Then the attempted abduction of 6yo boy in Lake Cathie on 5 march 2015 one day after Long Point Trail search.

Too many things getting linked in this area.

 

[frogwell]

I would assume you have all heard about the historic and currently unsolved case known as Mr Cruel in Victoria.

I was very disturbed to find the No 2 SUSPECT in that case lived in Lake Cathie in a caravan park up until June 2014 and fled to canada with his canadian wife.

Yes he left before Williams abduction but why did he choose Lake Cathie to flee to from Victoria?

Then the attempted abduction of 6yo boy in Lake Cathie on 5 march 2015 one day after Long Point Trail search.

Too many things getting linked in this area.

there was a member on here, I believe it was Puggle who was looking at this angle way back in the threads however I don not know any details. IMO

 

[tmar]

On Channel 9 News tonight, the Police stated the following, in their search for a 'hit/ run', who killed a young lady cyclist, with him driving a stolen vehicle, then running away:
"You better come to us, than we come to you".
Sounds familiar, doesn't it!

 

[Freddo Frog]

I can't even access one article a day from this media outlet. Why would this be in the media I wonder. Everything has been strategy so far. IMO

There was a little article in today's hard-copy Sunday Mail (QLD) on this. Yes, I wonder why this was released. What is the purpose of reporting on an argument that most police would generally have about a case (or many people in the workforce)? What was the point about the boxing, too? To up the word count, perhaps?

 

[Warshawski]

Ah that's cool. The whole area around the house seems like an unlikely spot to disappear from, always keen to hear what people think!

i think its quite feasible for William to have been quickly & silently 'grabbed' from the yard - no one was around, he was only 3 (many Mums will tell of picking up / carrying their 3 year old), hand over mouth for no sound if nothing else was available... and i also feel it the most likely scenario.
His scent was only detected in the yard, and personally i doubt he would have wandered further afield - that early in the visit i'm sure there was much to keep his interest close to the house.

 

[purpleandgreen]

i think its quite feasible for William to have been quickly & silently 'grabbed' from the yard - no one was around, he was only 3 (many Mums will tell of picking up / carrying their 3 year old), hand over mouth for no sound if nothing else was available... and i also feel it the most likely scenario.
His scent was only detected in the yard, and personally i doubt he would have wandered further afield - that early in the visit i'm sure there was much to keep his interest close to the house.

I think you’re pretty close to the truth, Warshawski.

 

[Warshawski]

Firstly, a sexual motive:

Someone heard the children talking, laughing, squealing whilst playing earlier that morning or they saw them whilst being in the street. Decided to take a look-see. Maybe had a ‘preference’ for young males. As DCI Jubelin said, ‘Evil met innocence.’ that day. Random, minimal planning, crime of opportunity.

Secondly, reunification of family:

First of all, biological parents have been cleared of any involvement into the investigation of William’s disappearance so either extended family member or friend hatched a plan to take William. Possibly achieved through relationships between known POIs and persons known to the public through MSM, ie; NC, KL, AJ, BS, etc. Maybe stalked the FF through SM or physically. Targeted and planned.

Thirdly, creation of family:

Someone took a shine to William, either spontaneously or over a period of time. Could have components of both of the MOs above. Either opportunistic or planned, random or targeted, depending on how the perpetrator first came into contact with William.

ETA: I think, sadly, the first is most likely.

hi Bo, i agree, all are possible answers to the question of 'why'.
(in response to the question of why only W in relation to scenario 2, perhaps it became only him available due to L's toilet trip)

I also think there's another option - payback.
are there people in the circle of associates of either FF or BF who may have been flexing their muscles ?

 

[Bohemian]

hi Bo, i agree, all are possible answers to the question of 'why'.
(in response to the question of why only W in relation to scenario 2, perhaps it became only him available due to L's toilet trip)

I also think there's another option - payback.
are there people in the circle of associates of either FF or BF who may have been flexing their muscles ?

Yes, I agree, Warski. A myriad of possibilities as thing stand. William has such a ‘complicated family history’.

 

[Bohemian]

there was a member on here, I believe it was Puggle who was looking at this angle way back in the threads however I don not know any details. IMO

I remember @Puggle did some extensive sleuthing of the ‘Mr Cruel’ crimes. I don’t know if she ever linked them to William’s case though. Maybe she’ll chime in with her thoughts on this.

 

[frogwell]

I remember @Puggle did some extensive sleuthing of the ‘Mr Cruel’ crimes. I don’t know if she ever linked them to William’s case though. Maybe she’ll chime in with her thoughts on this.

I do remember her posting about a suspect in the Mr Cruel case at Lake Cathie.