Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 4

[another.com]

Regarding the hypothetical situation, what are your thoughts on why WT was taken and not his sister?

So, and these are hypothetical thoughts, just some things I thought that may have deterred an abductor from taking both children
1. maybe that kendall provided a very convenient backdrop where a little boy wandering off and getting lost in the surrounding bush is totally believable, the pair of them wandering off and getting lost, disappearing without a trace.. That's maybe I bit far fetched and would have applied more heat and conviction to the abduction scenario.
2. WTs sister may have a medical condition. This would make taking and caring for the children much more complicated

 

[another.com]

Fitting in with medical conditions, it baffles me in abduction cases in general, especially when the child abducted has been gone for many years and escapes/ is found... How does seeking and receiving medical treatment work? Say, if a child is abducted and the person who has taken them has no intention of harming them, for some reason they either just want a child or believe the child belongs with them...but then one day the child suffers say, an asthma attack or croup or one of many common childhood ailments... Does the abductor take them to GP/ hospital and risk being noticed? Also you need a Medicare card.. How would someone obtain that if the child isn't legally theirs?

 

[spiritualdreaming]

Fitting in with medical conditions, it baffles me in abduction cases in general, especially when the child abducted has been gone for many years and escapes/ is found... How does seeking and receiving medical treatment work? Say, if a child is abducted and the person who has taken them has no intention of harming them, for some reason they either just want a child or believe the child belongs with them...but then one day the child suffers say, an asthma attack or croup or one of many common childhood ailments... Does the abductor take them to GP/ hospital and risk being noticed? Also you need a Medicare card.. How would someone obtain that if the child isn't legally theirs?

Yes it's very hard to do anything these day's without proof of ID. Only way around it they've some how obtained fake documents to get the required ID. Hypothetically if it was a one off abduction maybe the abductor had lost a child matching WT appearance and are using the lost child's ID. It's all just so bizarre and I hope the answers are found soon

 

[bellamumof2]

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[Angeline]

William has asthma, which is scary

Good pick up on the Camry. Apparently 3 cars were taken for testing and 2 have been returned. One of the 2 vehicles returned was the work van. I wonder what the third vehicle was and if the police were more interested in it, keeping it for longer (or it could've just been the last one to be looked at?)

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...t-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195778466

 

[sosocurious]

29th Jan 2015 - police confirmed yesterday that .......................despite other reports , the specialist unit (homicide) became involved in the investigation shortly after William went missing "as a matter of caution and to explore the possibility of human intervention"...................................
"Although we have grave concerns for Williams welfare until we have conclusive evidence that William is deceased we will be keeping our minds open to all possibilities including that he could be alive" investigators said.

19th September 2014 -
Supt Fehon said
Crews continue on an "evidence based search" on Friday scouring forest that would be too far for William to walk but where he could be "assisted to" by a kidnapper in a car. ................

"Someone must have known something" he said.


This comment with hindsight seems interesting given a poi has now been identified and had been at the house days before and due to return the very day William disappeared. imo


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-st...yrell-3-turns-up-nothing-20140919-10j9tj.html

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850333/top-investigator-appointed-in-search-for-william-tyrrell/

 

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[Daisyinthedesert]

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[Blessed]

Didn't she go inside to the toilet??
So an unfortunate missed opportunity to grab both at the same time as maybe abductor heard someone coming and made a run with just WT

The story hasnt been clear from day one... i thought it was reported that G'ma and sister were still outside (originally reported she went inside to the toilet)

Also WT was reported as having Asthma.

 

[newone]

Maybe this
A truck driver had noticed a black camry in the area several times last Friday.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-st...yrell-3-turns-up-nothing-20140919-10j9tj.html

Newone.. may i ask what the relevance of a black Camry is? I've just seen you ask before, and am curious

bbm: locals noticed a car fitting that description early on.....

 

[deugirtni]

In my humble opinion, I believe the media got it wrong, at least the media who reported that he was at a Christmas party or something, the year before. After this happened in September, it was reported by I believe respected media that it was his first time visiting Grandma's house. It was later on, much later, when suddenly it became that the family had visited the year before at a neighbourhood function. The only references I can find for that 'new' information is from UK media. I think they got it mixed up... or..... I believe the article actually says 'the family' was there, but that doesn't necessarily include the 2 kids. Interesting that the same thing is said in media about BS in that neighbours met 2 of his grandsons at a neighbourhood thing.
I really believe it is an error/bad reporting/whatever. MOO.
BBM.
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William and his sister, 4, arrived at their grandmother's house in Benaroon Drive, on the evening of Thursday, September 11 for their first visit from Sydney's north shore. (William has a complicated family history and, for legal reasons, his family cannot be identified).

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kendall-in-agony-over-mystery-of-a-little-boy-lost-20140920-10jn4y.html

Story dated Sep 21, 2014
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The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.

http://[B]www.dailymail.co.uk[/B]/news/article-2922362/Repair-man-free-return-family-home-detectives-finish-two-day-search-property-investigation-missing-toddler-William-Tyrell.html#ixzz3QNlyxYlU

The same article (also) stated this falsely:

It has also emerged that Mr Spedding posted several Facebook posts about William's disappearance, pleading with his followers last December 2 'don't give up' and writing about how 'someone knows something'.

'Today, somebody is keeping a secret. They got up this morning. Had breakfast. Realised they need to pick up some more milk.

'Wasted time on Facebook. Made some calls. All the while maintaining a poker face.All the while pretending not to know. But somebody knows what happened to three-year-old William Tyrell.

'Somebody knows if William is being treated with kindness today or with cruelty. Somebody, somewhere knows and they're keeping it a secret. Missing from his home in Kendall , on the NSW coast, Australia since Friday, September 12. PLEASE SHARE AND HOPE HE IS FOUND.'

Five days later, on December 7, he posted another message on Facebook which marked the three months since the boy had vanished, saying 'Where is he?'.

We know that BS did not post that on FB, he only responded to it, but yet the newspaper reports that he posted it. I believe this media outlet is more like a tabloid, sensational, do-whatever-it-can-to-get-readers type of 'rag'.

http://[B]www.dailymail.co.uk[/B]/news/article-2922362/Repair-man-free-return-family-home-detectives-finish-two-day-search-property-investigation-missing-toddler-William-Tyrell.html#ixzz3QNmIEtmA
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It was not the first time the family had visited Kendall, but their visits had become more frequent in recent months after William’s grandfather died earlier in the year.

Locals recalled seeing William and his family at a neighbourhood Christmas event the previous December.

http://[B]www.dailytelegraph.com.au[/B]/news/nsw/missing-toddler-william-tyrell-victim-of-possible-targeted-kidnapping-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

Story dated January 4, 2015
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The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.

http://[B]www.dailymail.co.uk[/B]/news/article-2905877/Has-seen-little-brother-heartbreaking-question-William-Tyrell-s-sister-asks-neighbours-today-marks-four-months-vanished-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz3QNqQczD7
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All interesting and possible scenarios I guess. I'm surprised (though not sure why) that he had been to visit the GM the December before. I guess I just imagined he'd not been with his new family that long.

 

[Amee]

In my humble opinion, I believe the media got it wrong, at least the media who reported that he was at a Christmas party or something, the year before. After this happened in September, it was reported by I believe respected media that it was his first time visiting Grandma's house. It was later on, much later, when suddenly it became that the family had visited the year before at a neighbourhood function. The only references I can find for that 'new' information is from UK media. I think they got it mixed up... or..... I believe the article actually says 'the family' was there, but that doesn't necessarily include the 2 kids. Interesting that the same thing is said in media about BS in that neighbours met 2 of his grandsons at a neighbourhood thing.
I really believe it is an error/bad reporting/whatever. MOO.
BBM.
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kendall-in-agony-over-mystery-of-a-little-boy-lost-20140920-10jn4y.html

Story dated Sep 21, 2014
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The same article (also) stated this falsely:



We know that BS did not post that on FB, he only responded to it, but yet the newspaper reports that he posted it. I believe this media outlet is more like a tabloid, sensational, do-whatever-it-can-to-get-readers type of 'rag'.

http://[B]www.dailymail.co.uk[/B]/news/article-2922362/Repair-man-free-return-family-home-detectives-finish-two-day-search-property-investigation-missing-toddler-William-Tyrell.html#ixzz3QNmIEtmA
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http://[B]www.dailytelegraph.com.au[/B]/news/nsw/missing-toddler-william-tyrell-victim-of-possible-targeted-kidnapping-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

Story dated January 4, 2015
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http://[B]www.dailymail.co.uk[/B]/news/article-2905877/Has-seen-little-brother-heartbreaking-question-William-Tyrell-s-sister-asks-neighbours-today-marks-four-months-vanished-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz3QNqQczD7
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DM Australia source is the ST/DT....

The Daily Telegraph article was written by a Sydney Crime reporter.

Why would the locals lie about seeing William with his family?

Locals recalled seeing William and his family at a neighbourhood Christmas event the previous December.

The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ing-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-William-Tyrell-pray-2015-details-emerge.html

 

[butterstick]

Need some confirmation.

I read at one point that the block of land opposite or near grandmothers house was for sale.

Am unable to find a reference to that in any news articles (getting harder to search as time goes on, and all the amendments being made).

Can anyone see anything?

For me that is something increases the scary possibility of a completely random stranger being opportunistic and, unfortunately, leaving little trace.

I imagine if there was property/land for sale, the LE would have a list of names who expressed interest with Realestate Agents. Although that does not cover people who simply saw an address on the web and did a drive-by without ever contacting an agent.

 

[Amee]

Need some confirmation.

I read at one point that the block of land opposite or near grandmothers house was for sale.

Am unable to find a reference to that in any news articles (getting harder to search as time goes on, and all the amendments being made).

Can anyone see anything?

For me that is something increases the scary possibility of a completely random stranger being opportunistic and, unfortunately, leaving little trace.

I imagine if there was property/land for sale, the LE would have a list of names who expressed interest with Realestate Agents. Although that does not cover people who simply saw an address on the web and did a drive-by without ever contacting an agent.

TGY sleuthed the block of land out back in one of the very first threads. You may find some info there butterstick. Hopefully its still there

 

[deugirtni]

I have no idea what ST/DT is.

In any event, do you notice how a person is not quoted saying this, although specific people are quoted saying other things? Do you also notice how it says 'the family', and not... 'William'? 'The family' could in fact mean 'the grandmother and her offspring and offspring's spouse, and I suppose at that time, even the grandfather'. I personally don't put any weight on that report months after the fact. And to me, it seems that if one newspaper prints something, others may follow suit by copying what was said, rather than getting their own news story via their own interviews of real people. MOO

DM Australia source is the ST/DT....

The Daily Telegraph article was written by a Sydney Crime reporter.

Why would the locals lie about seeing William with his family?

Locals recalled seeing William and his family at a neighbourhood Christmas event the previous December.

The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ing-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-William-Tyrell-pray-2015-details-emerge.html

 

[katydid23]

Sorry to reply to my own original post, but I wanted to clarify... when I said that I find it possible to consider that this angry son of MS's could have potentially placed an anonymous tip to Crimestoppers, I meant... a false tip. Revenge. To get even for some perceived bad deed. Just say for example.. if this fellow's children had been unwillingly removed from his care or the mother of his children's care, to be placed in foster care via the actual grandparents, and there was bitterness over that... I could see an immature mind trying to get even by doing something to cast doubt on the grandparents and put their foster parent status at risk. I did not mean that he would put forth a tip of some kind that was true.

That's what I am leaning towards as well.

 

[A new dawn]

hey everyone..I've been following this case since little William went missing. I'm keen to read a few more cases & hopefully contribute something interesting sometime...I'm totally stoked to find others with a similar curious mind!
I'm a long term carer & have quite an understanding of how out of home care works, sadly my suspicions of what happened the day he went missing & the reasons why are getting stronger as each day passes.
Everyday I hope we'll wake up to some positive news that William has been found & returned home safe with his family!

 

[krig101]

:welcome:

hey everyone..I've been following this case since little William went missing. I'm keen to read a few more cases & hopefully contribute something interesting sometime...I'm totally stoked to find others with a similar curious mind!
I'm a long term carer & have quite an understanding of how out of home care works, sadly my suspicions of what happened the day he went missing & the reasons why are getting stronger as each day passes.
Everyday I hope we'll wake up to some positive news that William has been found & returned home safe with his family!

 

[sosocurious]

I agree it is very possible that someone could make a complaint about someone to FACS in regard to a child being mistreated if they were angry or seeking revenge.
If someone were to make a complaint that was true or ended up being untrue.
It just seems to me that and inquiry would need to be conducted so as to assess if the information received was accurate.
IMO significant concerns for a child's safety would need to be valid before a child was removed from either a bio or foster parent.

IMO