but is that msm wording or did police actually give a statement quoting beyond the yard or did they only ever say no trace?
just trying to get the truth of what police have said and msm have said
But I have to remind myself, that in the case of Sierra La Mar, a 14 yr old girl that was last seen getting ready for school in the morning, they said the same thing about the scent trail. They did not pick up anything past her yard. For a year we were certain she was nabbed by a creepy neighbor, or by a 'friend' that came by to pick her up for school.
But later we found out that she did walk to the bus stop and was kidnapped from there, and killed. :cry:
That's interesting. I'll have to investigate further. I would have thought they would have picked up her scent, unless it was torrential rain, or there was a significant delay bringing in the sniffers.
The problem we are now faced with is, was Fehon referring to any sign of the boy including the yard, or was he only referring to any sign of the boy in the bush.
Where does this problem put us, though? If we are suggesting the police dogs found no trace of WT at all, not even on the property, then that is to imply the police wasted everyones time with such an extended search?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/sierra-lamar-missing-cellphone-searched_n_1367618.html
The sophomore was last seen around 6 a.m. when she left home for classes. The bus driver handling the route where she usually got picked up said he didn't see her, according to Fox News. Police dogs sniffing for her scent couldn't find it any farther from her home than the end of her driveway, Fox reported.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...anta-Clara-County-16-March-2012-**arrest**-20
Unfortunately, I haven't a clue. I noticed she was missing from 6am, but wasn't noticed missing until 6pm, which is a good 12 hours. They also quoted "no sign of foul play" - the police evidently treated it as a missing person's case. I don't know how much time elapsed by the time the sniffers were brought in, nor do I know how efficient the dog's sniffing would be after a considerable period of time, but I would think, if the dogs picked up her scent in the driveway, they would have been able to pick it up elsewhere. It may also depend on how "busy" the area they were sniffing was. It's a shame we don't have any experts who can come forward and give some insight.
Sniffer dogs found no trace of the boy beyond the yard.
http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/tod...-where-is-william-tyrell-20141016-1171am.html
found it back in early threads where we discussed the dogs inside and out.
Police have launched a special strike force to help find three-year-old missing boy William Tyrell on the fifth day of the frantic search as it's revealed even police sniffer dogs can't find a trace or scent of the toddler.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...missing-grandparents-house-FIVE-days-ago.html
Hundreds of SES, RFS and local volunteers scoured thick bushland on Tuesday and searched nearby dams and waterways for a second time, but there has been no trace of the boy.
Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-w...ved-alone-in-bush-police-20140916-10hy58.html
Sniffer dogs have also been involved but have not picked up any trace of William.
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...live-in-nsw-bush/story-e6frfku9-1227061187569
Sniffer dogs have failed to pick up any scent of the three-year-old William Tyrell on the NSW mid-north coast, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home.
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Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...olice-say-chances-of-survival-are-diminishing
Police Strike Force Rosann has been established as sniffer dogs fail to pick up any scent of William Tyrell, five days after he went missing on the NSW mid north coast.
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Superintendent Paul Fehon says neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs have been able to pick up any sign of the boy, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home.
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/index.php...dogs-fail-to-pick-up-scent-of-william-tyrell/
POLICE confirmed sniffer dogs brought in to search around Kendall, near Port Macquarie, for William Tyrell had found no scent trail of the three-year-old.
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Police sniffer dogs have not been able to determine any sign of the boy.
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...s-into-fifth-day/story-e6frfku9-1227059837928
Sniffer dogs have failed to pick up any scent of little William Tyrell on the NSW mid-north coast, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home.
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Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs have been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Supt Fehon said.
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/09/16/dogs-fail-to-find-william-tyrell-scent.html
Police divers were brought in to search nearby dams and waterways, while sniffer dogs also helped comb the area.
The dogs did not pick up any scent trails to suggest William wandered off.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wi...-without-a-trace/story-fni0fiyv-1227195803646
Well spotted. Quote from the above article, my bolding: "Sniffer dogs found no trace of the boy beyond the yard." I am presuming "Essential Baby" is a media source that would be classified as reasonable. Well, that solves that problem. Unfortunately, we now can only speculate as to whether he was allegedly taken from the driveway, or from the actual road.
but is that msm wording or did police actually give a statement quoting beyond the yard or did they only ever say no trace?
just trying to get the truth of what police have said and msm have said
Where does this problem put us, though? If we are suggesting the police dogs found no trace of WT at all, not even on the property, then that is to imply the police wasted everyones time with such an extended search?
<modsnip>.
So, all we know from that is the dogs didn't find his scent away from the home. It doesn't mean they found it inside the home either.
For dogs to track William, they would have to be given something with his scent on it, like an item of clothing or favorite blanket, etc. If he had just arrived the night before, there may not have been much available to give the dogs to sample. He disappeared in his pj's. I guess they'd have the clothes he arrived in, because we know the washer was broken.
In looking for MSM articles where it has been stated that the dogs found no trace of WT PAST the yard, or the driveway, that 'essential baby' article is the only one I could find that said that. A good sampling is listed below. I am therefore inclined to believe that the 'essential baby' article was another case of reporter embellishment, or something other than fact, MOO:
Where does this problem put us, though? If we are suggesting the police dogs found no trace of WT at all, not even on the property, then that is to imply the police wasted everyones time with such an extended search?
<modsnip>.
I agree that on the balance, the reporting indicates no scent of William. However, I still don't think we can't completely rule out that William's scent may have been picked up in the yard. The article could well have been embellished, but we don't know that for fact. Unless the police state that there was no scent of William anywhere on the property, I don't think we can completely rule it out.
Reference to the other case, where the sniffers were unable to pick up the missing girl's scent past the driveway, when she evidently walked to the bus stop, has complicated matters, indicating that maybe they aren't as reliable as we think.