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An arrest was made in Daniels case due to the tireless efforts of the Morecombe family and they're insistence there be an inquest. Due to information that was revealed in the inquest police were able to focus on catching Cowen. Who's going to call for an inquest in Williams disappearance if police don't have much to go on, certainly not his family. As sad as it makes me I really am beginning to doubt they will ever find this little boy.
It's strange how many cases don't get solved until an inquest is done.

IMO this is going to be the case here as well.

How long does it have to be until an inquest can be done??

Who order's an inquest to be held??
 
From our research and inquiries of the Coroner's Court in other cases, an inquest can be ordered by the Coroner or be requested by the family/guardians.

The police have a certain amount of time in which to file their report with the Coroner (a year? can’t quite remember - or sooner if they feel they have exhausted all leads and have formed an opinion) in a suspicious case.

The Coroner reviews the police report - and autopsy results, if there has been an autopsy - and makes his/her decision. Rule on the death/presumed death without an inquest - or hold an inquest to rule on the death/presumed death.

The family can pursue this further if they are not satisfied.

From what I have seen in other cases, it takes about 1½ years for an inquest to be held.
 
From our research and inquiries of the Coroner's Court in other cases, an inquest can be ordered by the Coroner or be requested by the family/guardians.

The police have a certain amount of time in which to file their report with the Coroner (a year? can’t quite remember - or sooner if they feel they have exhausted all leads and have formed an opinion) in a suspicious case.

The Coroner reviews the police report and makes his/her decision. Rule on the death/presumed death without an inquest - or hold an inquest to rule on the death/presumed death.

The family can pursue this further if they are not satisfied.

From what I have seen in other cases, it takes about 1½ years for an inquest to be held.
So does it only happen though when they think death has occurred?
 
So does it only happen though when they think death has occurred?

Yes - a coroner's inquest is by definition an inquest into a death. It's difficult without a body - not impossible, but it takes a long time to get one organised in these circumstances.
 
I think the comment being replied to, was not in regard to any one topic in particular in MSM (such as the search of the S property), but rather it was in regard to a LARGE number of subject details published in MSM. For example.. the location where the family was sitting prior to WT's disappearance.. it has been reported as being from SO many areas, such as front, side, backyard, balcony, and even the driveway. How is this possible that there are so many different stories if this is not made up and perhaps embellished by at least some MSM as they go along? Surely the reporters are not receiving these reports from actual sources who know the correct answer? Unless of course, the sources are changing their stories depending on which media they may be speaking to, which I highly doubt and would be unthinkable.

The age of WT's sibling, the 21 houses searched (this was reported as happening both during the original search, and during the time when the S property wsas being searched), was dad called before or after police were called, what made LE decide to converge upon the S property, was it a CS tip as originally reported numerous times, or was it discrepancies in his story, which seemed to be reported after the friend Colin mentioned something to that effect? Which statement is true? There was an appliance repair van reported seen on the street days after the disappearance, and later, after Mr. S's property was searched, that repair van story became that it was Mr. S's repair van that was seen. Is this a fact? Only one reporter reported seeing that repair van amongst all of the LE vehicles, but she did not report specifically the name of the company.. then later, all of the other reporters who didn't even see the van to begin with, reported it as being Mr. S's. Does that make sense? Is that embellishment? There are piles and piles and piles of discrepancies in the reporting of details in this case.

With some detail discrepancies, some may want to toss them aside saying they are irrelevant, but I disagree with that. For example.. the sibling's age.. at age 4 perhaps it may be less likely that she could verbalize what she saw and remembers exactly, whereas if she was 6 or 5 or 8, not so much. If Mr. S was searched due to a CS tip, it, in my humble opinion, would carry a different weight than if he reported discrepancies in his story to LE. All of the reported discrepancies in media lead one to wonder if we can believe anything at all that is reported. MOO

How has MSM ‘taken out of context’ the fact that police swooped and did a massive search on all of Spedding’s property, including his septic tank, his burn off area, his phones, his computers? Is there some embellishment there that I have missed?

I believe that they are directly speaking of the actions of the specialised Homicide squad, the Sex Crimes squad, and the forensic teams - not the Keystone Cops.

And MSM were evidently given free rein to speak of the search, and maybe even encouraged to do so, when so much else has been relegated to the strict privacy box.

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Thanks deugirtni. I am not going to debate the veracity of the information any further.

It is evident, to me, that there are massive privacy constraints in this case that lead to a large number of unknowns. I cannot blame the media for that.

What they do know for certain – William is missing, press conference materials, Spedding is a POI and has been searched extensively - is apparent. The rest, nobody knows for sure. But they are trying to give us all that they hear and are allowed to give.

They could just say nothing, and then there would be even less media for William. And people could complain more.
 
I think the comment being replied to, was not in regard to any one topic in particular in MSM (such as the search of the S property), but rather it was in regard to a LARGE number of subject details published in MSM. For example.. the location where the family was sitting prior to WT's disappearance.. it has been reported as being from SO many areas, such as front, side, backyard, balcony, and even the driveway. How is this possible that there are so many different stories if this is not made up and perhaps embellished by at least some MSM as they go along? Surely the reporters are not receiving these reports from actual sources who know the correct answer? Unless of course, the sources are changing their stories depending on which media they may be speaking to, which I highly doubt and would be unthinkable.

The age of WT's sibling, the 21 houses searched (this was reported as happening both during the original search, and during the time when the S property wsas being searched), was dad called before or after police were called, what made LE decide to converge upon the S property, was it a CS tip as originally reported numerous times, or was it discrepancies in his story, which seemed to be reported after the friend Colin mentioned something to that effect? Which statement is true? There was an appliance repair van reported seen on the street days after the disappearance, and later, after Mr. S's property was searched, that repair van story became that it was Mr. S's repair van that was seen. Is this a fact? Only one reporter reported seeing that repair van amongst all of the LE vehicles, but she did not report specifically the name of the company.. then later, all of the other reporters who didn't even see the van to begin with, reported it as being Mr. S's. Does that make sense? Is that embellishment? There are piles and piles and piles of discrepancies in the reporting of details in this case.

With some detail discrepancies, some may want to toss them aside saying they are irrelevant, but I disagree with that. For example.. the sibling's age.. at age 4 perhaps it may be less likely that she could verbalize what she saw and remembers exactly, whereas if she was 6 or 5 or 8, not so much. If Mr. S was searched due to a CS tip, it, in my humble opinion, would carry a different weight than if he reported discrepancies in his story to LE. All of the reported discrepancies in media lead one to wonder if we can believe anything at all that is reported. MOO

I didnt know they searched Kendall when they searched Bonny Hills and Laurieton. Id be interested to read that do you have a link please?
 
I will try to locate that article again.

Found this, not sure if same one that I read at the time:

Police executed the search warrants on Tuesday after a tip-off received by CrimeStoppers.

Two people, believed to be a couple, were questioned, before being released without charge.

Police later searched 21 houses, surrounding bushland and waterways in the area.

Port Macquarie superintendent Paul Fehon, who is leading the investigation, confirmed evidence was being examined but said there has been no breakthrough in the case.

“This is a line of inquiry that we are taking as part of the normal investigation phase for an investigation of this nature,” Mr Fehon told reporters.

Investigators searched “a number of premises” in Laurieton and surrounding areas yesterday, he said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/william-tyrrell-search-septic-tank-emptied-at-nsw-property/story-e6frg6nf-1227191618077

I didnt know they searched Kendall when they searched Bonny Hills and Laurieton. Id be interested to read that do you have a link please?
 
I think the comment being replied to, was not in regard to any one topic in particular in MSM (such as the search of the S property), but rather it was in regard to a LARGE number of subject details published in MSM. For example.. the location where the family was sitting prior to WT's disappearance.. it has been reported as being from SO many areas, such as front, side, backyard, balcony, and even the driveway. How is this possible that there are so many different stories if this is not made up and perhaps embellished by at least some MSM as they go along? Surely the reporters are not receiving these reports from actual sources who know the correct answer? Unless of course, the sources are changing their stories depending on which media they may be speaking to, which I highly doubt and would be unthinkable.

RB&SBM
Could I please have the link showing the possibility they were sitting at the front or even the driveway as I must have missed that! If that were the case they would have better sight of the roadway or any any vehicles exiting the bush, for example WS vehicle or postie.
 
I wasn't able to locate the article where I had seen the article which reported 'side yard', (although I am 99.9% certain that I did see that within the past day while looking around for something else), but here is a sampling of how this has been reported (BBM):


William disappeared from the balcony of his grandmother's home in Benaroon Drive, Kendall, at 10:30am on September 12. Police said he disappeared in a five-minute window while playing alongside his sister.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-16/police-says-they-have-no-leads-in-william-tyrell-disappearance/5747954

Dressed in his favourite superhero costume, William played an imaginary game with his sister in the backyard of his grandmother’s home.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/missing-toddler-william-tyrell-victim-of-possible-targeted-kidnapping-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506


It has been almost three months since the three year-old disappeared without a trace from the front yard of his grandparents' home.
http://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/news/eleven-weeks-on-and-still-no-sign-of-young-william/2467143/

With his grandmother sitting on the back deck, and his mum inside making a cuppa, William and his four-year-old sister start playing "chaseys". It's about 10.30am.

It's less than five minutes before they realise. William is gone. And thin air type of gone.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html

Sitting on the porch about 10am with his mother, grandmother and sister, William ran around the side of the house several times before reappearing with a cheeky grin and running back towards his family.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/missing-toddler-william-tyrell-victim-of-possible-targeted-kidnapping-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

Their mother made a cup of tea and their grandmother was sitting in the garden when William ran off around the side of the house about 10.25am. He has not been seen ever since.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/trying-to-dig-up-the-truth-about-william-tyrell-repairman-william-speddings-home-searched-in-the-hunt-for-missing-boy/story-fni0cx12-1227192659824

William’s mum went inside to make a cup of tea while his nana was still sitting outside. William ran around the side of the house yet again.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/william-tyrell-the-little-boy-who-vanished-without-a-trace/story-fni0fiyv-1227195803646

Grandma, Mum, William and his sister went to the back of the house, where the kids played. Mum went in to make a cup of tea.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/what-happened-to-missing-boy-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526

William Tyrell disappeared from the front yard of a Kendall property around 10.30am yesterday.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/09/13/07/56/police-search-bushland-for-missing-boy-3


Emergency services in the area are scrambling to find the child, who was last seen about 10.30am on Friday in the front yard of his home in Benaroon Drive, Kendall.
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/2555404/child-missing-at-kendall/?cs=257

RB&SBM
Could I please have the link showing the possibility they were sitting at the front or even the driveway as I must have missed that! If that were the case they would have better sight of the roadway or any any vehicles exiting the bush, for example WS vehicle or postie.
 
I think we can put this down to journalists reporting via Chinese-whispers, rather than some deliberate obfuscation.

There really hasn't been much in the way of a "true source" for these details. They can't talk to the family. They get quite broad police statements.

If anyone did actually start talking in a way that was detailed and accurate, then I think that's the trigger for the police to take an interest. If you get what I mean.

Would not surprise me if the police were watching discussions such as this one, even.
 
Adding in another note to all members...

As I've posted numerous times, if you state something as fact then you need to include the link to relevant media or police report.

Also, unless you're a WS Verified Professional, please don't post legal type information without including a relevant link.
 
The inconsistency in the reporting of where the porch is located is most likely due to the fact that the house sits at an odd angle on the block of land. It's a corner block. The diagram of the house from the Daily Telegraph that was posted earlier in this thread shows how it's positioned. Honestly, I wouldn't know how to describe it if I was a reporter.
 
The inconsistency in the reporting of where the porch is located is most likely due to the fact that the house sits at an odd angle on the block of land. It's a corner block. The diagram of the house from the Daily Telegraph that was posted earlier in this thread shows how it's positioned. Honestly, I wouldn't know how to describe it if I was a reporter.
Well the easiest way would be.

Where the back door is = backyard
Front Door = front yard
Side Door = side of house

Really doesn't make a difference if the house is on an angle IMO
 
At the end of the day if all MSM reported the exact same thing, there would be no need for several papers.

Half the time reporters just ask anybody for information and they probably know diddle swat and just pass on information they heard thru the grapevine.

Only thing you can rely on in MSM is what the authorities state (but then again, they probably don't report that exactly either)
 
That is true Angeline, and that has also been mentioned before, but the point is.. not which way the house is located on the property.. but where are MSM getting their information, and how careful are they being about its accuracy. Surely they would get it from either LE or another trusted 'source', and not just make it up as they go.

So in that vein, surely there must be an official story regarding where exactly the boy went missing from and where was the family when it happened. That is a pretty basic and important detail in a missing child case. So why all the different takes? If the reporter is told the back yard or the front yard by LE or another reliable source, why wouldn't that simply be reported? And if there are different stories about where, then why are they different?

Even that FB post that Mr. S 'shared' on his timeline and posted a quick comment in reply, was being reported as being *his* original post, when it clearly wasn't.

The positioning of the house and what to call its front is only one detail in a whole pile of details that have been misreported by at least some MSM. That said however, I would think it is pretty clear to anyone and everyone which section is the 'balcony', which section is the 'driveway', etc. My point in posting all of the above was only to agree with someone else's post that MSM can and does in fact embellish, and provide examples, and throw it out there that this has happened in SO many aspects of this particular case.

The inconsistency in the reporting of where the porch is located is most likely due to the fact that the house sits at an odd angle on the block of land. It's a corner block. The diagram of the house from the Daily Telegraph that was posted earlier in this thread shows how it's positioned. Honestly, I wouldn't know how to describe it if I was a reporter.
 
It's strange how many cases don't get solved until an inquest is done.

IMO this is going to be the case here as well.

How long does it have to be until an inquest can be done??

Who order's an inquest to be held??

Sigh. I'll try again. My previous post was deleted by the Moderators for not putting a link in. So I've done some research and put in a link:

http://www.missingpersons.justice.n...ngpersons/documents/pdf/fmp44-ol_coroners.pdf

" ... as soon as the investigation leadspolice to reasonably believe the missing person is deceased or “after 12 months when the missing personhas not been located and there is no sign of life”. Some investigations may be reported to the Coronerearlier than 12 months if police believe there is enough evidence of a suspected death occurring. If a policeinvestigation is continuing at 12 months the Coroner may choose not to investigate the matter at this pointand may refer it back to police."

"If police do not report the matter to the Coroner, family of the missing person (or a person whom the Coronerdetermines has sufficient interest) can write to the Coroner requesting a review of the missing person’s case."

"If the Coroner feels a coronial investigation is warranted, the police are required to formally report thesuspected death and then investigate the suspected death on behalf of the Coroner."

"The length of time varies. Coronial investigations can be both complex and lengthy. Most can take months/years to progress to inquest."

And:

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state...ng-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-4

"Missing persons must be declared dead by the Coroner."

And generally,

"Under the Coroners Act, (No. 27, 1980) Coroners must hold an inquest when the deceased person is not identified, when the cause of death is not determined, when the person died as a result of a homicide, or if the person died in or attempting to escape from police custody. A coroner may also be directed to hold an inquest by the Attorney General or the State Coroner."
 
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