Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

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I am wavering, too. I would love to know the reasons why the prosecution wanted certain recordings suppressed, though. So far there is nothing in there to indicate to me that Jubelin has breached any kind of security or intelligence. It all seems pretty standard stuff IMO.

I'm pretty sure they would hinder any breech of intelligence?? I would hope so. But as far as illegally recording goes - IDK. Hope it works out the best for him - would not like to see him incarcerated for this :(
 
If someone had buried a child in that suit then curiosity might take them to the burial site to check if it had been dug up. That could lead the cops to William and decide the murderer.
The response of seeing that suit laying there would be so different from an innocent person to a guilty person.

Example, any one of us finding that suit would not touch it but immediately call the cops, right there, right then. Yes?
I think I know the answer to that.
First I'd have a heart attack. Then I'd figure somebody put it there for a joke. Then I'd realize that I have no option but to call the police at once. Not sure how long all that would take . . . possibly seconds, probably not overnight.
 
Could be "Don't tell anyone love, they're right after me. Sorry" actually refers to him thinking local women are 'after him' and not the police at all? Well it could....in his mind anyway. It explains the apology at the end.
 
Could be "Don't tell anyone love, they're right after me. Sorry" actually refers to him thinking local women are 'after him' and not the police at all? Well it could....in his mind anyway. It explains the apology at the end.
How about he's sneakily pushed into a queue?

Nah.
 
I'm not buying that at the moment. He saw something within metres of the place (on a long walking route) that made him first stop and look, and then go back the next day to see what else was there. You're proposing that what he first saw had nothing to do with the suit? A coincidence? (It crossed my mind, when I thought what he'd said was "white top", that he was having a jab at the investigation, implying that what made him stop was that he'd spotted Jubelin or another watching. Jubelin wears white shirts.)

Not following you about what the psychologist said about Chapman. Spell that out?
He said the first day, that he'd seen a white cloth. That was reported somewhere. So yes I'm proposing that it is possible that on day#1 he may have seen something else which was white, small, and totally unrelated to the case altogether.. might not have even been in the exact same place as the costume had been placed, because the cameras and the men on the ground were not close by any means.

Imho, I don't think it's fair to say "He saw something within metres of the place (on a long walking route) that made him first stop and look, and then go back the next day to see what else was there." , and especially stated as fact. This was apparently a regular walking route for PS, so why *wouldn't* he have gone back the next day? It was also only the opinions of the officers involved, that PS was even looking at the same location where the costume had been placed.
Lia Harris
The court heard surveillance operatives noted in their report that “as far as they were concerned, Savage had stopped and looked at” the Spider-Man suit planted on the walking track the day before he reported it to police.


Beacroft testified that Jubelin had worked closely with a psychologist in regard to the spiderman costume 'sting'.. I'm assuming that may have involved gauging what certain reactions of PS might mean in that situation (all would still be opinions, regardless). I wondered what that same psychologist might opine about the (non)reaction of Chapman having seen the vehicles racing with the unbuckled Spiderman boy inside that morning, but not reporting it. Because isn't it really the same thing, only worse, since it happened right on the day OF, and RC was self-admittedly fully aware of the small town's big news of the little boy's disappearance just a few streets over? Except nothing is being made out of that non-reporting.

RC saw something of obvious evidentiary value and apparently went months without reporting what he saw, and finally apparently it was the police who came knocking on *his* door once they heard about it elsewhere - he reportedly never did make that call on his own. But yet here is PS who years later sees something that he likely knew hadn't been there previously on a path he regularly traveled on, and they're gauging his reaction, and making it seem somehow meaningful as to whether he called police about it and how quickly. He did report it. Maybe he guessed it was a 'sting'. My head sure would've been spinning thinking of all the possibilities, if it had been me.

My guess is that if GJ really thought PS did something to W, they may have been hoping PS might've picked up the costume, at which time officers would have tailed him, and perhaps he may have led officers to wherever he had hidden William. It was worth a shot, but when it didn't pan out, to then make a big deal about whether and when he called police about it, seems like a stretch. jmo.
(Lia Harris
Cunneen is now cross examining Det Sgt Beacroft. She’s asking her about the Spider-Man suit operation and the court heard Jubelin consulted “very closely” with a psychologist on that operation)

edit: typos
 
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New article here....

A former colleague of Jubelin told the court on Thursday she didn't believe Mr Savage was responsible for the disappearance.
"I couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt," Detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft said.
"There were a few different things that firmed that up for me (but) there was nothing concrete that could put Mr Savage in or out."


During the court hearing, Jubelin's barrister read a transcript sourced from the devices planted in Mr Savage's home.
It purported Mr Savage to be in conversation with his wife Heather, who had died of cancer in April 2015.
"Make sure you don't tell anyone, love ... they're after me, love, they're right after me," Mr Savage said, Margaret Cunneen SC told Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Thursday.



have copied 2 short paragraphs...
'Don't tell anyone': Disturbing recording aired in William Tyrrell investigation
 
Could be "Don't tell anyone love, they're right after me. Sorry" actually refers to him thinking local women are 'after him' and not the police at all? Well it could....in his mind anyway. It explains the apology at the end.
I was wondering if he meant.. something along the lines of discussing relatives, who would be expected to die next in line after him (like say his brother, or HS's brother/sister-in-law, whomever). But your theory makes a lot more sense.
 
Going off topic a lil here but was wanting to mention whilst it’s in my mind now and your thoughts on this would be great.. Lia Harris briefly touches base on this info in her “where’s William Tyrrell” podcast titled “faded memories”.. about half way through through the podcast Lia makes mention of discrepancies with Savages story of events between the recordings and then the inquest.. the one the caught my attention was when Lia states PS’s comments about the 2 cars he apparently saw (2 days prior to the fact) and that the 2 vehicles were one white and the other blue however he had not disclosed this information to detectives in any of the statements reported with the first mention of the cars being told at the August inquest. Lia then goes on to say that Paul states he doesn’t know why he never mentions this earlier and that he thinks he can remember telling someone about the sighting but can’t remember who.. later that day Chapmen takes the stand and gives a detailed account of the 2 cars he saw that morning one being white or fawn colour and the other blue.. from memory I can’t recall there ever being a mention of a blue coloured car by anyone.. my point is this.. both savage and Chapman were not on talking terms with fgm at the time William disappears, Chapman doesn’t tell anyone about his sighting until weeks later (which doesn’t sit well with me) and so could it be that Savage and chapmen have made a story together to hide something more sinister and derail the investigation?
 
He said the first day, that he'd seen a white cloth. That was reported somewhere. So yes I'm proposing that it is possible that on day#1 he may have seen something else which was white, small, and totally unrelated to the case altogether.. might not have even been in the exact same place as the costume had been placed, because the cameras and the men on the ground were not close by any means.

Imho, I don't think it's fair to say "He saw something within metres of the place (on a long walking route) that made him first stop and look, and then go back the next day to see what else was there." , and especially stated as fact. This was apparently a regular walking route for PS, so why *wouldn't* he have gone back the next day? It was also only the opinions of the officers involved, that PS was even looking at the same location where the costume had been placed.
Lia Harris
The court heard surveillance operatives noted in their report that “as far as they were concerned, Savage had stopped and looked at” the Spider-Man suit planted on the walking track the day before he reported it to police.
Snipped, and I'll have to come back to study what you're saying about Chapman, thank you.

No. For example:

The Crown pauses the tape and asked Det Sgt Beacroft about the Spider-Man suit. She tells the court surveillance operatives in the bush filmed Savage stop “five to eight metres” from the suit for about 12 seconds the day before he reported it to police.

And:

The court is now hearing a recorded phone intercept of a call between Savage and Jubelin. Savage tells Jubelin he paused in that spot on the bush trail the day before he reported the Spider-Man suit because he saw a “white top” and wanted to see if there was anything else there.

(Both Lia's tweets.) So he paused at about the same spot the previous day and came back the next day specifically to examine what else might be there. Yes it was his regular walk but he said he wanted to look again at that spot.
 
I’ve also tried to find information on Chapman and all that really comes up is that he is/was a noted judge and speaker at the Kendall flower expos.. can’t find any info on his marital status and if he was still is or never has been married.. or any info on biological children if any
From memory the lady that was the manager of the club (where Police took CCTV from on the day William went missing) was a Chapman … First name might have started with R as well …."At Kendall Cellars, shop owner Rheannon

Edit to add link :
Chapman was told not to delete anything from her CCTV."
The day William Tyrrell vanished

Others might know the answer to this: -
but didn't Chapman own, or previously own, a block of land near where they searched at Herrons Creek????? That same street as the caravan that Frank Abbott lived in??? Could be wrong about this bit....
 
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Could be "Don't tell anyone love, they're right after me. Sorry" actually refers to him thinking local women are 'after him' and not the police at all? Well it could....in his mind anyway. It explains the apology at the end.

The apology is weird isn't it... but by your logic, it does makes sense. He is delusional afterall? He could be apologising for women coming after him. To think he's gone into the post office crying wrt to the postie because they need to see more of each other etc... he obviously thinks he's a wanted man
 
Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris


On those recordings, the court heard Savage would talk to himself about the interviews with Jubelin, claiming he’d been denied a drink and made to stay in a cold room. He also used “a lot of bad language” to describe Jubelin.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall and heard what Mr Savage truly thought of the good detective Mr Jubelin in his use of bad language
 
Snipped, and I'll have to come back to study what you're saying about Chapman, thank you.

No. For example:

The Crown pauses the tape and asked Det Sgt Beacroft about the Spider-Man suit. She tells the court surveillance operatives in the bush filmed Savage stop “five to eight metres” from the suit for about 12 seconds the day before he reported it to police.

And:

The court is now hearing a recorded phone intercept of a call between Savage and Jubelin. Savage tells Jubelin he paused in that spot on the bush trail the day before he reported the Spider-Man suit because he saw a “white top” and wanted to see if there was anything else there.

(Both Lia's tweets.) So he paused at about the same spot the previous day and came back the next day specifically to examine what else might be there. Yes it was his regular walk but he said he wanted to look again at that spot.

The same spot except some 26 feet away.

And the people who were watching him and the cams were approx 100 feet away from him - how could a person/camera that far away tell exactly where a person was 'looking' and especially when they are some 26 feet away from the object in question?

Mr Jubelin's former colleague, Detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft, said surveillance operatives were hiding in the bush with cameras and saw Mr Savage stop at the suit.

"The footage showed him stopping for a period of 12 seconds," she told the court.

"I believe Mr Savage was some distance away from the suit, approximately five to eight metres."

Mr Savage did not report the suit to police until the following day and later insisted in a recorded police interview with Mr Jubelin that he had not seen it the first day.

A video of the interview was played to the court on Wednesday, in which Mr Jubelin tells Mr Savage he knows he is lying.

"You're badly mistaken," Mr Savage replied.

Detective Beacroft described the track as "a deviation from the main fire trail" which had "heavy scrub" either side.

She said the operative filming Mr Savage was "up to 30 metres away".


Spiderman suit used in undercover sting against William Tyrrell person of interest
 
I’ve also tried to find information on Chapman and all that really comes up is that he is/was a noted judge and speaker at the Kendall flower expos.. can’t find any info on his marital status and if he was still is or never has been married.. or any info on biological children if any

I'm not sure you can advertise delving into a non POIs life?? just be careful.. I'm really not sure though. On facebook you can do whatever you like, that's the only thing I'm sure about :)
 
I’d be so flummoxed I’d ring 911 :D

I would be in such a tizz,photograph the evidence on camera phone,call police....run home put on a nice outfit, high heel shoes, touch of perfume and slap on the make up (as My Grandparents would say)most of all is to brush my teeth:D:D:D wait for Elliot Ness.:rolleyes:
But knowing myself well, I would call and forget all the above.
 
I would be in such a tizz,photograph the evidence on camera phone,call police....run home put on a nice outfit, high heel shoes, touch of perfume and slap on the make up (as My Grandparents would say)most of all is to brush my teeth:D:D:D wait for Elliot Ness.:rolleyes:
But knowing myself well, I would call and forget all the above.

:D:D thanks for the laugh !
 
If someone had buried a child in that suit then curiosity might take them to the burial site to check if it had been dug up. That could lead the cops to William and decide the murderer.
The response of seeing that suit laying there would be so different from an innocent person to a guilty person.

Example, any one of us finding that suit would not touch it but immediately call the cops, right there, right then. Yes?
I think I know the answer to that.

Seeing as the locals there have been through the mud being interviewed, having the town full cops and media and fully aware of spiderman suit association to William I think that anyone who stumbled upon that suit in the bush probably would be in shock and or trip over themselves running to alert police at the find or would call police on the spot to confirm the find and its location (if they had mobile on them)

Did the court show or describe PS reaction at the time he called the police to advise of the finding? was he excited, mumbling, afraid, didn't care so much, surprised? what were his reactions when he finally did alert police
 
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