Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

[Chrissy74]

From memory the lady that was the manager of the club (where Police took CCTV from on the day William went missing) was a Chapman … First name might have started with R as well …."At Kendall Cellars, shop owner Rheannon

Edit to add link :
Chapman was told not to delete anything from her CCTV."
The day William Tyrrell vanished

Others might know the answer to this: -
but didn't Chapman own, or previously own, a block of land near where they searched at Herrons Creek????? That same street as the caravan that Frank Abbott lived in??? Could be wrong about this bit....

 

[Chrissy74]

From memory the lady that was the manager of the club (where Police took CCTV from on the day William went missing) was a Chapman … First name might have started with R as well …."At Kendall Cellars, shop owner Rheannon

Edit to add link :
Chapman was told not to delete anything from her CCTV."
The day William Tyrrell vanished

Others might know the answer to this: -
but didn't Chapman own, or previously own, a block of land near where they searched at Herrons Creek????? That same street as the caravan that Frank Abbott lived in??? Could be wrong about this bit....

Wow... my mind is racing... thanx slouth

 

[Bohemian]

It seems the Spider-Man top planted by investigators was different to the one William wore on the day he disappeared:

‘The court earlier this week that NSW police left a copy of the Spider-Man suit that William was wearing a on a bush trail, to see what would happen when Mr Savage came upon it during his regular morning walk.

Mr Savage told Mr Jubelin that he had seen a “white top” a day before he saw “the whole suit.”

This is significant, because the Spider-Man top that William was actually wearing had a bright white spider on the back; the top left in the bush by police did not.’

NoCookies | The Australian
Gary Jubelin trial: William Tyrrell neighbour ‘no longer active suspect’, court hears
CAROLINE OVERINGTON
1:40PM FEBRUARY 6, 2020

 

[Chrissy74]

I had seen the name mentioned somewhere about owning a local shop but for some reason thought there was no connection but will def look right into that one.. cheers.. as for owning the block of land close to Qbbott well that makes sense and for me ties in the 3 main people who seem to have the darkest secrets

 

[kiwi50]

If I was PS and whether innocent or guilty, I think I might go home and think about what to do. I’d know the police were trying to trap me. i honestly dont know how I would react, lol probably over think it .

 

[JLZ]

I had seen the name mentioned somewhere about owning a local shop but for some reason thought there was no connection but will def look right into that one.. cheers.. as for owning the block of land close to Qbbott well that makes sense and for me ties in the 3 main people who seem to have the darkest secrets

A surname connected with a Laurieton cafe is also connected with Herons Creek and the preservation of its history. And there's a connection between a person of that name and the street in which Chapman lives. Perhaps that's what you're remembering--but I was on a headspin, these are small towns, it's probably better forgotten.

 

[SLouTh]

10 News First Sydney on Twitter

During the criminal hearing for former lead detective Gary Jubelin, intriguing evidence uncovered during the investigation into the suspected abduction and murder of toddler William Tyrrell has been revealed for the first time. |
@LiaJHarris

Trying this … New Video on Lia's Twitter.. I tried the right click but couldn't paste the video.... sorry....

 

[deugirtni]

When did we get a new Homicide Squad Commader? Where is Scott Cook, these days?

Homicide Squad Commander, Detective Superintendent Danny Doherty
NSW girl's abduction prompts $1m reward

I'm assuming it's okay to post since he is a public profile. This is from his LI, which is also public. Seems he was promoted in December, just a couple of months ago?

Experience

NSW Police Force
Company Name NSW Police Force
Total Duration 31 yrs 8 mos

Title Assistant Commissioner
Full-time
Dates Employed Dec 2019 – Present
Employment Duration 3 mos
Location Sydney, Australia

Title Commander - Detective Superintendent
Full-time
Dates Employed Dec 2010 – Dec 2019
Employment Duration 9 yrs 1 mo
Location Asian Crime Squad | Organised Crime Squad | Homicide Squad

Title Coordinator (Crimnal Investigations) - Detective Inspector
Full-time
Dates Employed Mar 2006 – Dec 2010
Employment Duration 4 yrs 10 mos
Location Asian Crime Squad | Robbery and Serious Crime Squad

Title Team Leader (Criminal Investigations) - Detective Sergeant
Full-time
Dates Employed Sep 2001 – Mar 2006
Employment Duration 4 yrs 7 mos
Location Drug and Organised Crime Strike Force Program | Firearms Squad

Title Police Detective
Full-time
Dates Employed Jul 1988 – Sep 2001
Employment Duration 13 yrs 3 mos
Location Local Policing | Task Force Oak | Organised Crime Branch | Homicide Squad

Alternate Director, Board of Directors
Company Name
NSW Crime Stoppers
Dates Employed May 2018 – Present
Employment Duration 1 yr 10 mos
Location Sydney, Australia

 

[sosocurious]

I'm assuming it's okay to post since he is a public profile. This is from his LI, which is also public. Seems he was promoted in December, just a couple of months ago?

Experience

NSW Police Force
Company Name NSW Police Force
Total Duration 31 yrs 8 mos

Title Assistant Commissioner
Full-time
Dates Employed Dec 2019 – Present
Employment Duration 3 mos
Location Sydney, Australia

Title Commander - Detective Superintendent
Full-time
Dates Employed Dec 2010 – Dec 2019
Employment Duration 9 yrs 1 mo
Location Asian Crime Squad | Organised Crime Squad | Homicide Squad

Title Coordinator (Crimnal Investigations) - Detective Inspector
Full-time
Dates Employed Mar 2006 – Dec 2010
Employment Duration 4 yrs 10 mos
Location Asian Crime Squad | Robbery and Serious Crime Squad

Title Team Leader (Criminal Investigations) - Detective Sergeant
Full-time
Dates Employed Sep 2001 – Mar 2006
Employment Duration 4 yrs 7 mos
Location Drug and Organised Crime Strike Force Program | Firearms Squad

Title Police Detective
Full-time
Dates Employed Jul 1988 – Sep 2001
Employment Duration 13 yrs 3 mos
Location Local Policing | Task Force Oak | Organised Crime Branch | Homicide Squad

Alternate Director, Board of Directors
Company Name
NSW Crime Stoppers
Dates Employed May 2018 – Present
Employment Duration 1 yr 10 mos
Location Sydney, Australia

Thanks.
A promotion to an Assistant Commisioner.

 

[deugirtni]

<snipped>.. my point is this.. both savage and Chapman were not on talking terms with fgm at the time William disappears, Chapman doesn’t tell anyone about his sighting until weeks later (which doesn’t sit well with me) and so could it be that Savage and chapmen have made a story together to hide something more sinister and derail the investigation?

My impression was that FGM complained after W went missing because PS was showing up at her door too often afterward.

 

[deugirtni]

10 News First Sydney on Twitter

During the criminal hearing for former lead detective Gary Jubelin, intriguing evidence uncovered during the investigation into the suspected abduction and murder of toddler William Tyrrell has been revealed for the first time. |
@LiaJHarris

Trying this … New Video on Lia's Twitter.. I tried the right click but couldn't paste the video.... sorry....

At 1:05 in that little video clip, Lia Harris says Savage said, "I'm going to run into your property too, in Gordon. This is my place, you do what I want. You're a little boy, you're nobody."

I wonder where GJ might reside?

10 News First Sydney on Twitter

 

[JLZ]

The same spot except some 26 feet away.

And the people who were watching him and the cams were approx 100 feet away from him - how could a person/camera that far away tell exactly where a person was 'looking' and especially when they are some 26 feet away from the object in question?

Mr Jubelin's former colleague, Detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft, said surveillance operatives were hiding in the bush with cameras and saw Mr Savage stop at the suit.

"The footage showed him stopping for a period of 12 seconds," she told the court.

"I believe Mr Savage was some distance away from the suit, approximately five to eight metres."

Mr Savage did not report the suit to police until the following day and later insisted in a recorded police interview with Mr Jubelin that he had not seen it the first day.

A video of the interview was played to the court on Wednesday, in which Mr Jubelin tells Mr Savage he knows he is lying.

"You're badly mistaken," Mr Savage replied.

Detective Beacroft described the track as "a deviation from the main fire trail" which had "heavy scrub" either side.

She said the operative filming Mr Savage was "up to 30 metres away".

Spiderman suit used in undercover sting against William Tyrrell person of interest

Say it was 26 feet (rather than 16); the bush part of his walk seems to have been some 5000 or 6000 feet. I'd say that's pretty close. Plus I take it that he admitted eventually that he did see the suit the first day, but didn't realize what it was.

 

[deugirtni]

Say it was 26 feet (rather than 16); the bush part of his walk seems to have been some 5000 or 6000 feet. I'd say that's pretty close. Plus I take it that he admitted eventually that he did see the suit the first day, but didn't realize what it was.

He has said different things often throughout his testimony, quotes, and now recordings and it has been said that perhaps he may be experiencing some form of dementia, perhaps in and out of it, as is often the case. I know I wouldn't be able to tell if I saw that old beaten up bunch of cloth pictured earlier on a forest floor from 16 or 26 feet away, but I would be able to see a white tissue. I'm not understanding the 5000 or 6000 feet in your post above. Just because he walks that far doesn't mean he can see details of items that far?

 

[mussopossum]

I am curious,

Police can't just break in and plant a bug in someone's house just because they feel like it.

So what evidence did or do they have on PS that allowed police to obtain a warrant to bug his house and install cameras around the place to spy on him?

Keeping in mind, an offence had been committed regarding William, but what evidence did they have to get the warrant that related to PS being involved?

Surveillance Devices Act 2007 (NSW) - Wikipedia

Applications for surveillance device warrants

A law enforcement officer may apply to an eligible judge for a surveillance device warrant to be issued if they believe on reasonable grounds that:

(a) an offence has been, is being or is likely to be committed

(b) there is an investigation into the offence

(c) the use of a surveillance is necessary to obtain evidence of the offence or the identity of the location of the offender

 

[Esme]

Not related to this thread exactly, but I have noticed that I have my one and only follower on WS as of today. Interestingly it is a member who, according to their profile, joined in 2018 but has no profile picture, no posts of their own at all from what I can see. Has anyone else gained any followers with the name of a popular Australian busy-body old tv character? If you are my follower and you have something to add to the thread, please join us. If you are someone with inside knowledge of the case please have yourself verified and help us out.

Hi Freddo, think that's me. Didn't realise I was following you! Sorry, unfollowed now. Probably did it as I was attending to my kids while catching up on Websleuths. Multitasking, but not very well. Been following this case for ages, but only joined Websleuths more recently cos its easier to keep my place. I have nothing to add, just really wanting this case solved.
Not sure of the Aussie busy body character your referring to. Just pulled the name out of thin air!

 

[they'll get you]

If I was PS and whether innocent or guilty, I think I might go home and think about what to do. I’d know the police were trying to trap me. i honestly dont know how I would react, lol probably over think it .

That would be my luck, a child goes missing across the road and I’m there to help and suddenly I’m the murderer. FFS.

I’d be talking to my deceased wife and anyone else in heaven on what to do.

 

[JLZ]

He has said different things often throughout his testimony, quotes, and now recordings and it has been said that perhaps he may be experiencing some form of dementia, perhaps in and out of it, as is often the case. I know I wouldn't be able to tell if I saw that old beaten up bunch of cloth pictured earlier on a forest floor from 16 or 26 feet away, but I would be able to see a white tissue. I'm not understanding the 5000 or 6000 feet in your post above. Just because he walks that far doesn't mean he can see details of items that far?

I'm just saying that it's too much of a coincidence that the place he noticed a white item having, as you contend, nothing to do with the Spider-man suit, is within 26 feet--or possibly within 16 feet--of where police had planted the suit. They could have chosen anywhere along his bush walk.

 

[they'll get you]

Seriously my elderly parents had a neighbour who looked just like PS, he was a troublemaker with all the neighbours, he was disgusting in his relentless advances.
He was throwing rocks on my mother’s roof while dad was in hospital, he crapped himself when I walked out and caught him.
He found out a neighbour was a recovering alcoholic and would relentlessly pressure him to have a drink.

Only because PS looks so much like this bloke and the stories I’m hearing makes my hinky meter overload.

 

[SLouTh]

Hi Freddo, think that's me. Didn't realise I was following you! Sorry, unfollowed now. Probably did it as I was attending to my kids while catching up on Websleuths. Multitasking, but not very well. Been following this case for ages, but only joined Websleuths more recently cos its easier to keep my place. I have nothing to add, just really wanting this case solved.
Not sure of the Aussie busy body character your referring to. Just pulled the name out of thin air!

Welcome to the thread Esme ….
Good to have you here! I think most of us read for a long time first.....

I think Froggy was referring to Esme from "A Country Practice" ….
but you may be too young to remember …

 

[sosocurious]

However, Detective Senior Constable Greg Gallyot, who worked on the intercepts, told Sydney’s Downing Centre Local Court that Mr Savage, 75, who had been so devoted to his dead wife that he wore a photograph of her around his neck for a month after she died, tended to mutter all kind of things to himself.

“He said things along the lines: ‘I did not see it. I don’t remember seeing it. How could I miss it?’ ”

NoCookies | The Australian
Gary Jubelin trial: Mutterings of William Tyrrell’s neighbour