Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[JLZ]

thats why i wonder if theres any truth in that article claiming william and his sister were handpicked for the foster parents, to be their forever children, because they are smart and wealthy and possibly know influential people?
williams poor mother didnt know about their plans to adopt until much later and she was in the process of trying to get her children back

Putting the children in the permanent care of the state wouldn't have been sprung on the bio parents as a surprise IMO. They would have had formal notice and the opportunity to make their case to the court for it not to happen. <modsnip: Not victim friendly>

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - As per what the FM has said as per this link, it appears that William had a deep attachment to his birth parents …. and so the decision was made to attempt to gradually make him forget them … all to make managing him easier for the FM and FF. The question remains: was that ever going to be successful?

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

''(William was) very unsettled, particularly the time immediately following contact with (his) birth parents. The unsettled behaviour after visits would last months,' the foster mother said

At first, the birth couple saw their children three times a week, but by the time of William's disappearance, that had dwindled to one hour every 7-8 weeks.

Approved by welfare authorities, and as a precursor to the foster mother's plan to adopt William and his sister, the children were being eased out of their biological family's lives.

Until January 2014, William had been calling his birth mother 'Mum', but he then stopped and on the second last visit called her his 'birth mum'.”

 

[JLZ]

At first, the birth couple saw their children three times a week, but by the time of William's disappearance, that had dwindled to one hour every 7-8 weeks.

God, excruciating.

 

[bearbear]

JMO - As per what the FM has said as per this link, it appears that William had a deep attachment to his birth parents …. and so the decision was made to attempt to gradually make him forget them … all to make managing him easier for the FM and FF. The question remains: was that ever going to be successful?

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

''(William was) very unsettled, particularly the time immediately following contact with (his) birth parents. The unsettled behaviour after visits would last months,' the foster mother said

At first, the birth couple saw their children three times a week, but by the time of William's disappearance, that had dwindled to one hour every 7-8 weeks.

Approved by welfare authorities, and as a precursor to the foster mother's plan to adopt William and his sister, the children were being eased out of their biological family's lives.

Until January 2014, William had been calling his birth mother 'Mum', but he then stopped and on the second last visit called her his 'birth mum'.”

thats so sad poor little boy

 

[Warshawski]

Putting the children in the permanent care of the state wouldn't have been sprung on the bio parents as a surprise IMO. They would have had formal notice and the opportunity to make their case to the court for it not to happen. <modsnip: Not victim friendly>

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... William & L’s biological mother ... very much objected to losing her children as she told the Coroner :
The mother told the court she was aware of adoption plans before William disappeared but not in any detail and "didn't agree" with them.
"We were still trying to get the children back. We were at court," she said.

this from Ch 9 news William Tyrrell's parents 'hid him' as bub - 9News

 

[LolaAngelina]

JMO - As per what the FM has said as per this link, it appears that William had a deep attachment to his birth parents …. and so the decision was made to attempt to gradually make him forget them … all to make managing him easier for the FM and FF. The question remains: was that ever going to be successful?

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

''(William was) very unsettled, particularly the time immediately following contact with (his) birth parents. The unsettled behaviour after visits would last months,' the foster mother said

At first, the birth couple saw their children three times a week, but by the time of William's disappearance, that had dwindled to one hour every 7-8 weeks.

Approved by welfare authorities, and as a precursor to the foster mother's plan to adopt William and his sister, the children were being eased out of their biological family's lives.

Until January 2014, William had been calling his birth mother 'Mum', but he then stopped and on the second last visit called her his 'birth mum'.”

“Unsettled” doesn’t equal a “deep attachment”. He was likely more confused by the whole situation IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

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... William & L’s biological mother ... very much objected to losing her children as she told the Coroner :
The mother told the court she was aware of adoption plans before William disappeared but not in any detail and "didn't agree" with them.
"We were still trying to get the children back. We were at court," she said.

this from Ch 9 news William Tyrrell's parents 'hid him' as bub - 9News

Perhaps the BM did not understand the process. The point where she was asked for her input on adoption is the second step in the process. The first step being the case worker, the child, or the carers initiating a discussion about adoption. Way prior to any adoption plans. And it doesn't mean an adoption was going to happen.


The application and assessment process is thorough and can be lengthy, regardless of how long a child has been in the care of the people applying to become their adoptive parents.

In brief, the process involves:

• the carer, the child, or the case manager/agency can initiate a discussion about adoption and if it is a suitable pathway for that child
• the child’s birth parents are informed and their opinion sought
• (more)

Adoption

What is adoption? Adoption permanently transfers all the legal parenting rights and responsibilities from the child’s birth parents (or anyone with parental responsibility for the child) to the adoptive parents. What is open adoption? Australia practices open adoption. This means that...

www.myforeverfamily.org.au

 

[JLZ]

<modsnip: Quoted post was modsnipped>

... William & L’s biological mother ... very much objected to losing her children as she told the Coroner :
The mother told the court she was aware of adoption plans before William disappeared but not in any detail and "didn't agree" with them.
"We were still trying to get the children back. We were at court," she said.

this from Ch 9 news William Tyrrell's parents 'hid him' as bub - 9News

If she was trying to get the children back, her problem wasn't a nebulous adoption plan, it was that the children had actually been made wards of the state until adulthood. I don't know what she means about still being at court--does she mean she was appealing the state guardianship order?

 

[JLZ]

Perhaps the BM did not understand the process. The point where she was asked for her input on adoption is the second step in the process. The first step being the case worker, the child, or the carers initiating a discussion about adoption. Way prior to any adoption plans. And it doesn't mean an adoption was going to happen.


The application and assessment process is thorough and can be lengthy, regardless of how long a child has been in the care of the people applying to become their adoptive parents.

In brief, the process involves:

• the carer, the child, or the case manager/agency can initiate a discussion about adoption and if it is a suitable pathway for that child
• the child’s birth parents are informed and their opinion sought
• (more)

Adoption

What is adoption? Adoption permanently transfers all the legal parenting rights and responsibilities from the child’s birth parents (or anyone with parental responsibility for the child) to the adoptive parents. What is open adoption? Australia practices open adoption. This means that...

www.myforeverfamily.org.au

Reading the link, on the face of it someone like William's birth mother, not mentally incapable, not unable to be found, shouldn't have much of a battle--she declines to consent to adoption, end of story--but I wonder how it works out in practice. Does the court often override the opposition of birth parents in what it considers to be the best interests of the child? It would be an indictment of the administration of the foster system, wouldn't it, if that were the case? Effectively saying that the Minister is such a rotten legal guardian that the children will suffer if not removed from that legal situation, even where nothing else changes in their home environment.

 

[SouthAussie]

Reading the link, on the face of it someone like William's birth mother, not mentally incapable, not unable to be found, shouldn't have much of a battle--she declines to consent to adoption, end of story--but I wonder how it works out in practice. Does the court often override the opposition of birth parents in what it considers to be the best interests of the child? It would be an indictment of the administration of the foster system, wouldn't it, if that were the case? Effectively saying that the Minister is such a rotten legal guardian that the children will suffer if not removed from that legal situation, even where nothing else changes in their home environment.

It is a no-moment. An adoption didn't happen. imo

 

[JLZ]

It is a no-moment. An adoption didn't happen. imo

So? She had heard rumours, she didn't want it to happen--did she need to prepare to fight for this or not? She might be retrospectively spreading her unhappiness and anxiety over William's disappearance over everything connected, when there was realistically nothing to fear from the foster parents' preference to adopt. I'd like to know.

 

[SouthAussie]

So? She had heard rumours, she didn't want it to happen--did she need to prepare to fight for this or not? She might be retrospectively spreading her unhappiness and anxiety over William's disappearance over everything connected, when there was realistically nothing to fear from the foster parents' preference to adopt. I'd like to know.

She wouldn't have heard rumours, she would have been directly consulted by the case worker. As per my previous link. Step #2 in the process.

<modsnip> I am not seeing how it has any bearing on William's disappearance.

 

[JLZ]

She wouldn't have heard rumours, she would have been directly consulted by the case worker. As per my previous link. Step #2 in the process.

<modsnip> I am not seeing how it has any bearing on William's disappearance.

She went on TV to talk about it. I think it's fair enough to try to make sense of what she was saying.

Your first paragraph--OK. I don't know what stage the process was at. I would have guessed somewhere in step 1. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a more personal communication from the case worker to prepare the birth parents for a written notice.

 

[SouthAussie]

She went on TV to talk about it. I think it's fair enough to try to make sense of what she was saying.

Your first paragraph--OK. I don't know what stage the process was at. I would have guessed somewhere in step 1. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a more personal communication from the case worker to prepare the birth parents for a written notice.

Maybe BM was saying that FM wouldn't have harmed or disposed of William because she wanted to adopt him.

 

[JLZ]

When FFC wrote that she was ready to give in or give up, what problem was she talking about? She's said that William's behaviour had improved, he had formed an attachment to herself. So was it still his or his sister's behaviour, or the requirements of the foster system, or having any contact at all with the bio family, or some legal matter, or what?

 

[Couldbe]

When FFC wrote that she was ready to give in or give up, what problem was she talking about? She's said that William's behaviour had improved, he had formed an attachment to herself. So was it still his or his sister's behaviour, or the requirements of the foster system, or having any contact at all with the bio family, or some legal matter, or what?

JMO - Factor into all of the aspects of fostering / caring for developing infants ... that a foster mother was also handling working job demands ... it would be no mean feat (In fact could become very stressful) complying with them in total.

 

[JLZ]

JMO - Factor into all of the aspects of fostering / caring for developing infants ... that a foster mother was also handling working job demands ... it would be no mean feat (In fact could become very stressful) complying with them in total.

She'd had a year and a half to figure that out--that two children were physically too much for her notwithstanding three days a week in daycare--during which time she was preparing to adopt the children. Then William settled down, things got easier--and this is when she's on the point of giving up?

 

[SouthAussie]

When FFC wrote that she was ready to give in or give up, what problem was she talking about? She's said that William's behaviour had improved, he had formed an attachment to herself. So was it still his or his sister's behaviour, or the requirements of the foster system, or having any contact at all with the bio family, or some legal matter, or what?

FM said in her email to FACS that she was concerned about William being emotional after contact visits, and William was having trouble sleeping.

CO says the fact that William was now calling her mummy was causing tension between the two families and they were tussling over who would raise him. FM had wanted to adopt William.

The social workers said a certain amount of dysfunction and distress was normal in foster children.

Maybe FM was close to giving up thoughts of adoption, maybe she was close to giving up fostering William at all.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/william-tyrrell-behind-the-silence-lies-so-much-pain-and-so-many-questions/news-story/3001b90fce451c00e6114a76389f53c8?amp

 

[k-mac]

JMO - As per what the FM has said as per this link, it appears that William had a deep attachment to his birth parents …. and so the decision was made to attempt to gradually make him forget them … all to make managing him easier for the FM and FF. The question remains: was that ever going to be successful?

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

''(William was) very unsettled, particularly the time immediately following contact with (his) birth parents. The unsettled behaviour after visits would last months,' the foster mother said

At first, the birth couple saw their children three times a week, but by the time of William's disappearance, that had dwindled to one hour every 7-8 weeks.

Approved by welfare authorities, and as a precursor to the foster mother's plan to adopt William and his sister, the children were being eased out of their biological family's lives.

Until January 2014, William had been calling his birth mother 'Mum', but he then stopped and on the second last visit called her his 'birth mum'.”

The blatant manipulation is just obvious and disgusting.

 

[k-mac]

Perhaps the BM did not understand the process. The point where she was asked for her input on adoption is the second step in the process. The first step being the case worker, the child, or the carers initiating a discussion about adoption. Way prior to any adoption plans. And it doesn't mean an adoption was going to happen.


The application and assessment process is thorough and can be lengthy, regardless of how long a child has been in the care of the people applying to become their adoptive parents.

In brief, the process involves:

• the carer, the child, or the case manager/agency can initiate a discussion about adoption and if it is a suitable pathway for that child
• the child’s birth parents are informed and their opinion sought
• (more)

Adoption

What is adoption? Adoption permanently transfers all the legal parenting rights and responsibilities from the child’s birth parents (or anyone with parental responsibility for the child) to the adoptive parents. What is open adoption? Australia practices open adoption. This means that...

www.myforeverfamily.org.au

Or perhaps the BM did understand perfectly clearly the process.
Blind freddy could see what was going on.


The process was humming along as fast as FM could make it.....