Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[Couldbe]

Ex-Tyrrell suspect allegedly groomed and sexually touched man as he slept​

A former suspect in the William Tyrrell investigation has been charged with allegedly sexually touching an autistic man, a court heard.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/extyrrell-suspect-allegedly-groomed-and-sexually-touched-man-as-he-slept/news-story/9d61edb32aa1f2f697d20a91d1ebe323

JMO – As one of the POI men who had come into the radar of Rosann and who through their process of elimination later placed their focus on a couple of particular men, Derek Nichols’ grooming is of note.

From what we know, apparently no grooming of William had been part of a possible abduction and Rosann had declared that the abduction was opportunistic:
“Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who's heading the investigation, said the inclusion of a behavioural specialist on the strike force had been invaluable.
"In cases like these we need to get into the head space of the person who took William, why they did it, what makes them tick," he said.
"The kidnapping occurred on a Friday around 10.30am. It was broad daylight and whoever abducted him risked being seen from the balcony of William's grandmother's home as well as neighbouring properties," he continued.
Sep 13, 2015 Police profiler says suspected William Tyrrell kidnapper highly opportunistic

 

[bearbear]

JMO – As one of the POI men who had come into the radar of Rosann and who through their process of elimination later placed their focus on a couple of particular men, Derek Nichols’ grooming is of note.

From what we know, apparently no grooming of William had been part of a possible abduction and Rosann had declared that the abduction was opportunistic:
“Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who's heading the investigation, said the inclusion of a behavioural specialist on the strike force had been invaluable.
"In cases like these we need to get into the head space of the person who took William, why they did it, what makes them tick," he said.
"The kidnapping occurred on a Friday around 10.30am. It was broad daylight and whoever abducted him risked being seen from the balcony of William's grandmother's home as well as neighbouring properties," he continued.
Sep 13, 2015 Police profiler says suspected William Tyrrell kidnapper highly opportunistic

no, i agree, if little william was abducted, timewise, its very unlikely he was groomed beforehand,
i posted this article only as a news item of interest, not really anything to do with william

 

[Couldbe]

no, i agree, if little william was abducted, timewise, its very unlikely he was groomed beforehand,
i posted this article only as a news item of interest, not really anything to do with william

JMO - And there has been no evidence to support that he was abducted.

If we look at the 'later rememberings' of the FM a couple of days following William's disappearance, her vision of the two cars that she said were parked across from 48 Benaroon which apparently were of a concern to her (But she didn't say that she had talked about them with FGM or FF at that time ... around 7.30am), it could be said that the FM made up that vision ... to fit with what Jubelin said:
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“So if no-one but William's parents and grandmother knew in advance of his visit to Kendall, then you would have to have some other reason to be there and take that opportunity; either visiting, residing or working in the vicinity.”

It could also have been part of what had also been suggested by the Detective in charge before Jubelin took over leading Rosann.

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - And there has been no evidence to support that he was abducted.

If we look at the 'later rememberings' of the FM a couple of days following William's disappearance, her vision of the two cars that she said were parked across from 48 Benaroon which apparently were of a concern to her (But she didn't say that she had talked about them with FGM or FF at that time ... around 7.30am), it could be said that the FM made up that vision ... to fit with what Jubelin said:
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“So if no-one but William's parents and grandmother knew in advance of his visit to Kendall, then you would have to have some other reason to be there and take that opportunity; either visiting, residing or working in the vicinity.”

It could also have been part of what had also been suggested by the Detective in charge before Jubelin took over leading Rosann.

I am so sorry for that incorrect link in my original post here ... Haha... fingers error and not concentrating solely on the task!

My post should be:

JMO - And there has been no evidence to support that he was abducted.

If we look at the 'later rememberings' of the FM a couple of days following William's disappearance, her vision of the two cars that she said were parked across from 48 Benaroon which apparently were of a concern to her (But she didn't say that she had talked about them with FGM or FF at that time ... around 7.30am), it could be said that the FM made up that vision ... to fit with what Jubelin said:
Profiler reveals details of William Tyrrell's suspected kidnapper
“So if no-one but William's parents and grandmother knew in advance of his visit to Kendall, then you would have to have some other reason to be there and take that opportunity; either visiting, residing or working in the vicinity.”

It could also have been part of what had also been suggested by the Detective in charge before Jubelin took over leading Rosann.

 

[bearbear]

JMO - And there has been no evidence to support that he was abducted.

If we look at the 'later rememberings' of the FM a couple of days following William's disappearance, her vision of the two cars that she said were parked across from 48 Benaroon which apparently were of a concern to her (But she didn't say that she had talked about them with FGM or FF at that time ... around 7.30am), it could be said that the FM made up that vision ... to fit with what Jubelin said:
Jill Biden delivers blow to Anthony Albanese's state dinner
“So if no-one but William's parents and grandmother knew in advance of his visit to Kendall, then you would have to have some other reason to be there and take that opportunity; either visiting, residing or working in the vicinity.”

It could also have been part of what had also been suggested by the Detective in charge before Jubelin took over leading Rosann.

agree, ive never really believed he was abducted

 

[Couldbe]

agree, ive never really believed he was abducted

JMO – It looks like there has been quite a bit of ‘story telling’ by the FM about of the events of that fateful morning … E.g.:

9.03am – FM (In the presence of FGM) phoned and left message for Bill Spedding about the washing machine.

Following the phone call, say at 9.10am, Approx 25 mins later … FM, FGM , William and his sister are all on the back deck; Some dice throwing activity took place for a while; FGM is engrossed in reading her newspaper, and the children with their drink bottles, crayons, colouring book, etc.
At 9.35am FM has obviously procured her camera from inside the house, and decided to take photos of the children performing their drawing activities.

That timeframe for all that to be assembled and for them to have played the dice game and then had a little time to become engrossed in the drawing activities, FM retrieving her camera and begin taking her photos appears very tight.

What is also difficult to fit into the timeline, is that somewhere in there the bike riding had occurred on the driveway after the FF had departed for his Zoom call at Lakewood … at approx. 9am.

Rosann, under the leadership of Detective David Laidlaw would have to unravel and reconstruct FM’s description of the events of the morning, and has decided with his Brief to the DPP that there is evidence sufficient for her to be charged with Perverting the course of justice and Interference with a corpse.

MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

JMO – It looks like there has been quite a bit of ‘story telling’ by the FM about of the events of that fateful morning … E.g.:

9.03am – FM (In the presence of FGM) phoned and left message for Bill Spedding about the washing machine.

Following the phone call, say at 9.10am, Approx 25 mins later … FM, FGM , William and his sister are all on the back deck; Some dice throwing activity took place for a while; FGM is engrossed in reading her newspaper, and the children with their drink bottles, crayons, colouring book, etc.
At 9.35am FM has obviously procured her camera from inside the house, and decided to take photos of the children performing their drawing activities.

That timeframe for all that to be assembled and for them to have played the dice game and then had a little time to become engrossed in the drawing activities, FM retrieving her camera and begin taking her photos appears very tight.

What is also difficult to fit into the timeline, is that somewhere in there the bike riding had occurred on the driveway after the FF had departed for his Zoom call at Lakewood … at approx. 9am.

Rosann, under the leadership of Detective David Laidlaw would have to unravel and reconstruct FM’s description of the events of the morning, and has decided with his Brief to the DPP that there is evidence sufficient for her to be charged with Perverting the course of justice and Interference with a corpse.

MOO

Mannny activities done by little W and family members - and all laden with negative statements about him, finely glossed over by his FFC, from getting up early to disappearing without a sound.
Has a soiled diaper.
Doesn't want to wear the chosen clothing first, is persuaded to wear different clothes= Spiderman suit.
Throws his bike into the garden bed.
Doesn't want to climb the tree.
Doesn't roll the dice in a proper manner.
Screams around, what is sold to us as roaring (on the deck).
Doesn't want to paint a picture for grandpapa (or did he?).
And so on.

 

[bearbear]

JMO – It looks like there has been quite a bit of ‘story telling’ by the FM about of the events of that fateful morning … E.g.:

9.03am – FM (In the presence of FGM) phoned and left message for Bill Spedding about the washing machine.

Following the phone call, say at 9.10am, Approx 25 mins later … FM, FGM , William and his sister are all on the back deck; Some dice throwing activity took place for a while; FGM is engrossed in reading her newspaper, and the children with their drink bottles, crayons, colouring book, etc.
At 9.35am FM has obviously procured her camera from inside the house, and decided to take photos of the children performing their drawing activities.

That timeframe for all that to be assembled and for them to have played the dice game and then had a little time to become engrossed in the drawing activities, FM retrieving her camera and begin taking her photos appears very tight.

What is also difficult to fit into the timeline, is that somewhere in there the bike riding had occurred on the driveway after the FF had departed for his Zoom call at Lakewood … at approx. 9am.

Rosann, under the leadership of Detective David Laidlaw would have to unravel and reconstruct FM’s description of the events of the morning, and has decided with his Brief to the DPP that there is evidence sufficient for her to be charged with Perverting the course of justice and Interference with a corpse.

MOO

lots of picture perfect, happy families, over embellished stories, all the while possibly trying to cope with a strained mother daughter relationship, trying to placate an irritable husband and hyper little boy who doesnt like you and wont obey the rules!!

 

[Couldbe]

lots of picture perfect, happy families, over embellished stories, all the while possibly trying to cope with a strained mother daughter relationship, trying to placate an irritable husband and hyper little boy who doesnt like you and wont obey the rules!!

Agree bearbear, and:

JMO – It has been delightful to see the videos of William … but I do hope he wasn’t subjected to the very harsh ‘discipling’ and intimidation that we have learned that the FM and FF have been capable of … towards his 11 year old sister.

If so, at the time William disappeared, any reaction from the young children … in being being trained to be the perfect children desired by the Foster Parents, might have produced frustrated and confused behaviour at that young age … which was at a heightened level of aggravation to all of the Fosters that morning.
Especially with washing machine out of order.....

Edited to add point about washing machine.

 

[iiiii's]

Been following this case so long, I dream about it sometimes. Speculating, if there was a witness/evidence that police were unaware of until after the last tranche and then police focused solely on the FFC, could it be from a camera/camera's on someone's property? I seemed to remember in one article or one of the approved books (which I haven't read) that there were a huge amount of cameras in the vicinity (over 100). Maybe all footage had not been gone over until looking at a particular theory. Inspector Fehon ran the Malcolm Nadir case and they used a lot of property footage to track him for months. Fehon was the 1st investigator running the case from memory. Just some thoughts.

 

[Couldbe]

Been following this case so long, I dream about it sometimes. Speculating, if there was a witness/evidence that police were unaware of until after the last tranche and then police focused solely on the FFC, could it be from a camera/camera's on someone's property? I seemed to remember in one article or one of the approved books (which I haven't read) that there were a huge amount of cameras in the vicinity (over 100). Maybe all footage had not been gone over until looking at a particular theory. Inspector Fehon ran the Malcolm Nadir case and they used a lot of property footage to track him for months. Fehon was the 1st investigator running the case from memory. Just some thoughts.

Good point iiii's ..... Especially if Fehon initially wasn't viewing any sightings of the FM on somebody's camera for any reason than searching for William.

Examining some camera footage info later and from a different angle could possibly throw new light on the occurrence(s).
MOO

 

[JLZ]

Been following this case so long, I dream about it sometimes. Speculating, if there was a witness/evidence that police were unaware of until after the last tranche and then police focused solely on the FFC, could it be from a camera/camera's on someone's property? I seemed to remember in one article or one of the approved books (which I haven't read) that there were a huge amount of cameras in the vicinity (over 100). Maybe all footage had not been gone over until looking at a particular theory. Inspector Fehon ran the Malcolm Nadir case and they used a lot of property footage to track him for months. Fehon was the 1st investigator running the case from memory. Just some thoughts.

I don't know what you'd be remembering . . . but I'm confident there weren't a hundred cameras between FGM's place and just down around the corner where FFC allegedly turned the car around and the search was focussed.

 

[Chrissy74]

Been following this case so long, I dream about it sometimes. Speculating, if there was a witness/evidence that police were unaware of until after the last tranche and then police focused solely on the FFC, could it be from a camera/camera's on someone's property? I seemed to remember in one article or one of the approved books (which I haven't read) that there were a huge amount of cameras in the vicinity (over 100). Maybe all footage had not been gone over until looking at a particular theory. Inspector Fehon ran the Malcolm Nadir case and they used a lot of property footage to track him for months. Fehon was the 1st investigator running the case from memory. Just some thoughts.

William Tyrrell case explained by top former detective Rod Iddles

Legendary homicide detective Ron Iddles hopes the mystery of three-year-old William's disappearance can still be solved but believes the latest large-scale search is 'the last roll of the dice'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'I think someone's come forward with very specific information and that's what has resulted in the search.'

'Was it there at the time?' Mr Iddles said of Williams body.

'I don't know but quite clearly the information now is that it's at that house.

Police have said they are searching for a body at William's foster grandmother's house, at the same time they are examining a car she once owned.

'So it makes it a bit odd that they're actually searching that property for the body and then looking at the car,' Mr Iddles said.

'Unless he was in the boot of the car and somehow later he was brought back.'

I suggest that Whoever made that report to police must have been at fgm house the morning W disappeared and the only people at the house that morning were fgm Ffc and Ws sister.
Sniffer dogs arrived at the property and were unable to detect Ws scent trail. What item of Ws was used to find Ws scent? Was the item Ws? Does anyone know? Is it possible Ws body was in the boot of fgm car during the search as cars coming in and out of Benaroon Dtive that morning were not checked. What we do know is that fgm left her house a couple of days after the disappearance to stay with a relative in Port Macquarie. Was the purpose of that stay to remove the vehicle and possible evidence inside the boot? Certainly seems that way

 

[JLZ]

Daily Mailwww.dailymail.co.ukWilliam Tyrrell case explained by top former detective Rod Iddles
'I think someone's come forward with very specific information and that's what has resulted in the search.'

'Was it there at the time?' Mr Iddles said of Williams body.

'I don't know but quite clearly the information now is that it's at that house.

Police have said they are searching for a body at William's foster grandmother's house, at the same time they are examining a car she once owned.

'So it makes it a bit odd that they're actually searching that property for the body and then looking at the car,' Mr Iddles said.

'Unless he was in the boot of the car and somehow later he was brought back.'

I suggest that Whoever made that report to police must have been at fgm house the morning W disappeared and the only people at the house that morning were fgm Ffc and Ws sister.
Sniffer dogs arrived at the property and were unable to detect Ws scent trail. What item of Ws was used to find Ws scent? Was the item Ws? Does anyone know? Is it possible Ws body was in the boot of fgm car during the search as cars coming in and out of Benaroon Dtive that morning were not checked. What we do know is that fgm left her house a couple of days after the disappearance to stay with a relative in Port Macquarie. Was the purpose of that stay to remove the vehicle and possible evidence inside the boot? Certainly seems that way

I wonder if his opinion changed after the searches ended without finding William.

 

[Chrissy74]

I wonder if his opinion changed after the searches ended without finding William.

Why would his opinion change JLZ? RI is clearly stating what he believes to be the reason for the 2021 targeted search for W. Whether or not Ws body was found during those searches doesn’t change the fact that whoever came forward with that information must have been a credible witness . My guess is the fgm was the person providing the information and was relying both what she witnessed as well as what she was told by fp. It was her car after all that was seized for forensic testing late 2021

 

[JLZ]

Why would his opinion change JLZ? RI is clearly stating what he believes to be the reason for the 2021 targeted search for W. Whether or not Ws body was found during those searches doesn’t change the fact that whoever came forward with that information must have been a credible witness . My guess is the fgm was the person providing the information and was relying both what she witnessed as well as what she was told by fp. It was her car after all that was seized for forensic testing late 2021

This is what he says:

'Quite clearly they have some very specific information I would think,' Mr Iddles said.
'Quite clearly someone's provided the information for them to go back there.
'I think someone's come forward with very specific information and that's what has resulted in the search.'

He thinks that specific information must have led to searches in specific places. And we've read that the expectation was to find William, not general evidence. The searches didn't find William. So either police had a specific theory, but no specific new information, or they did have specific information and it was wrong. It might have been a liar after the reward.

When he says the house is the safest place once searches have been done--I don't know if that would hold when the family have moved away. The example of the man who transported his wife's body in a barrel numerous times, that was because he moved house, and he took her along.

 

[JBowie]

The link in post #534 didn't work for me. This one does:

William Tyrrell case explained by top former detective Rod Iddles

Legendary homicide detective Ron Iddles hopes the mystery of three-year-old William's disappearance can still be solved but believes the latest large-scale search is 'the last roll of the dice'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[iiiii's]

I don't know what you'd be remembering . . . but I'm confident there weren't a hundred cameras between FGM's place and just down around the corner where FFC allegedly turned the car around and the search was focussed.

I remember it explicitly and I'm sure someone will help me out with a quote soon, but you are right, I don't think 100 cameras were pointed within 2 blocks of the house. What a really ridiculous idea. moo

 

[JLZ]

I remember it explicitly and I'm sure someone will help me out with a quote soon, but you are right, I don't think 100 cameras were pointed within 2 blocks of the house. What a really ridiculous idea. moo

Then I don't understand what you were floating. Given that police had a theory that FFC disposed of William on her tardily disclosed drive, what location of camera would confirm the theory to lead to searches they would not otherwise have done?

I keep coming back to wanting to know what times the lawn-mower man was in sentinel position.

 

[Couldbe]

William Tyrrell case explained by top former detective Rod Iddles

Legendary homicide detective Ron Iddles hopes the mystery of three-year-old William's disappearance can still be solved but believes the latest large-scale search is 'the last roll of the dice'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'I think someone's come forward with very specific information and that's what has resulted in the search.'

'Was it there at the time?' Mr Iddles said of Williams body.

'I don't know but quite clearly the information now is that it's at that house.

Police have said they are searching for a body at William's foster grandmother's house, at the same time they are examining a car she once owned.

'So it makes it a bit odd that they're actually searching that property for the body and then looking at the car,' Mr Iddles said.

'Unless he was in the boot of the car and somehow later he was brought back.'

I suggest that Whoever made that report to police must have been at fgm house the morning W disappeared and the only people at the house that morning were fgm Ffc and Ws sister.
Sniffer dogs arrived at the property and were unable to detect Ws scent trail. What item of Ws was used to find Ws scent? Was the item Ws? Does anyone know? Is it possible Ws body was in the boot of fgm car during the search as cars coming in and out of Benaroon Dtive that morning were not checked. What we do know is that fgm left her house a couple of days after the disappearance to stay with a relative in Port Macquarie. Was the purpose of that stay to remove the vehicle and possible evidence inside the boot? Certainly seems that way

William Tyrrell search could take months as hessian bag sent for forensic testing
“A hessian bag was found and collected for forensic testing on Saturday, with at least two other pieces of fabric placed in evidence bags and sent off earlier in the week.”

JMO - I don't know where the hessian bag was found during the search, but the idea might have been that the hessian bag was used to transfer William's body from one place to another (Maybe from 48 Benaroon or back to 48 Benaroon).

Any fibres from that particular bag that might have been detected in the boot of FGM's car could be used as possible evidence).