Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #78

[iiiii's]

I was curious too--that word 'logged'; given that MFC was in central Kendall at 10:30, is there separate evidence that he drove straight back to the house and arrived there at 10:33? (But why wouldn't he? I can't think of a 'guilty' reason that makes sense, and if for an innocent reason--say, he felt like a short drive through the forest and approached via the track at the top of the street--why lie about it?)

I can only think of a scenario that is planned and doesn't include a death. It seems possible to me that both FP's were absent from the street prior to anyone outside of the house knowing that WT had gone missing. Maybe there was a meeting of the FP's with WT and someone else in a nearby area, triggered by the 10.30 am text? I haven't been discussing as the MFC has not been named as a POI, however the timeline discrepencies between AMS, FGM, MFC and FF, lead me to consider other options. MOO

 

[Warshawski]

iiii's - with so many inconsistencies, and then there are some consistencies it is so difficult to know what to settle on believing to be the case. What was said at the Inquest has also served to confuse us.

It does appear that the time of the FF's return to 48 Benaroon Drive was verified by Police as per this link:

“Police logged his text at 10.30am and his arrival home at 10.33am.”
William Tyrrell foster mother's never before seen police interview

I’m intrigued as to how LE know FF arrived back at # 48 at 10.33 am.
also where was he when he sent the 10.30 am text, that said ‘home in 5’ or whatever. .. was he texting while driving to be 3 mins away ?

and where was L while FM was running around doing all her initial searching for William ? And when FGM then went off in search of FM / William ?
Where is the official statement given by L ? She ‘should’ have been interviewed by specialists in that field, IMO - not just a casual couple of questions by Wendy Hudson - and DOCS should’ve made sure that was handled correctly, for all their other rules & regulations that governed the investigation.

maybe FM left her phone on the deck when she went off to look for William, so perhaps she did only see FFs text when she got back to the deck & to her phone (3 mins prior to his home arrival).
But I struggle with her having focus of mind to delete his message, when focus would be on missing child - IMO.

IMO, there are so many questions that appear to have not even been asked ! Important questions, to which I want answers !

I think we need this Inquest, but I hope it’s much more investigative than was previous.

all my own personal opinions.

 

[Couldbe]

I’m intrigued as to how LE know FF arrived back at # 48 at 10.33 am.
also where was he when he sent the 10.30 am text, that said ‘home in 5’ or whatever. .. was he texting while driving to be 3 mins away ?

and where was L while FM was running around doing all her initial searching for William ? And when FGM then went off in search of FM / William ?
Where is the official statement given by L ? She ‘should’ have been interviewed by specialists in that field, IMO - not just a casual couple of questions by Wendy Hudson - and DOCS should’ve made sure that was handled correctly, for all their other rules & regulations that governed the investigation.

maybe FM left her phone on the deck when she went off to look for William, so perhaps she did only see FFs text when she got back to the deck & to her phone (3 mins prior to his home arrival).
But I struggle with her having focus of mind to delete his message, when focus would be on missing child - IMO.

IMO, there are so many questions that appear to have not even been asked ! Important questions, to which I want answers !

I think we need this Inquest, but I hope it’s much more investigative than was previous.

all my own personal opinions.

JMO - To find answers to those questions and get to the bottom of this mystery .... the heat is on .... to go one way or another!

 

[drsleuth]

I’m intrigued as to how LE know FF arrived back at # 48 at 10.33 am.

Forensics IMO, car & phone. Also witnesses? IMO

also where was he when he sent the 10.30 am text, that said ‘home in 5’ or whatever. .. was he texting while driving to be 3 mins away ?

He used the Siri function on his phone after stopping at the corner store to pick up newspapers for the FGM

and where was L while FM was running around doing all her initial searching for William ? And when FGM then went off in search of FM / William ?

With the FGM IMO

Where is the official statement given by L ?

In the brief.

She ‘should’ have been interviewed by specialists in that field, IMO - not just a casual couple of questions by Wendy Hudson - and DOCS should’ve made sure that was handled correctly, for all their other rules & regulations that governed the investigation.

She was.

Sure, not at the time he went missing when police first arrived ( you just don't have specialised police hanging around a small country town waiting to interview a child IMO ). Takes time to organise them & for them to travel.

Are you suggesting that no police officers should have asked William's sister any initial questions when they arrived??

 

[SLouTh]

I haven't been discussing as the MFC has not been named as a POI, however the timeline discrepencies between AMS, FGM, MFC and FF, lead me to consider other options.

Back in November 2021, FGM was also reported as a POI by The Australian.

And yet, her actions have not been discussed in great detail … are we putting too much weight on her Walkthru interview??? Considering it seems to contradict so many things ???

It has also been reported that a “witness for the prosecution had died“ … were they referring to the FGM ??? We don’t know … but it is a possibility … ???

This link still has the FGM Walkthru Video:

William Tyrrell's foster mother pleads not guilty to lying

William Tyrrell's foster mother has pleaded not guilty to giving false or misleading information to the NSW Crime Commission.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Reference:
Paywalled for some.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...l/news-story/0c5a191c57ed5bdc465bfe11e193d3b2

 

[iiiii's]

I didn't read the article but how can someone be termed a "witness for the prosecution"? without a charge, defendant, trial etc.? Is the journo just embellishing? Ok, I can see you have linked a paywalled article. Do they mean a witness for the prosecution in regards to the charges stemming from the NSWCC? Did the FGM front the NSWCC? Was this the difficulties FFC was referring to about what was going on in hers and her mother's relationship just prior to her death? If so, this is a really terrible scenario that they may have been living through. But, there is the chance that FGM also provided information to NSWCC that has led to the dig and the considering of charges in WT's matter. MOO

 

[SLouTh]

wasnt fgm car only seized for examination in 2021? years later, after being sold to another person? seems police may have only tested the foster parents car in the first few days?

Overington's Book, Missing William Tyrrell, states that FGM Car was forensically tested in the first week, along with the Foster’s car..
(Chapter 7)

Bear, I do think the car was examined much more thoroughly, when it was seized in 2021… compared to the initial forensic examination ....


Police revealed on Wednesday morning that they had seized the car at Gymea in Sydney’s south last week under a coronial order.

“The vehicle was taken to a secure facility, where it is undergoing extensive forensic examinations and analysis, which is expected to take several weeks,” investigators said in a statement.

William Tyrrell’s foster-mother a person of interest as foster-grandmother’s car seized

It comes as investigations narrow in on whether William fatally fell from the second-storey balcony of his foster grandmother’s home in Kendall on NSW’s Mid North Coast.

www.smh.com.au

 

[SLouTh]

I didn't read the article but how can someone be termed a "witness for the prosecution"? without a charge, defendant, trial etc.? Is the journo just embellishing?

A lot of people, thought at the time, the article was referring to Ray Porter …

I can’t answer your question… it’s not in that particular Australian article linked above ....

IMO

 

[SLouTh]

Did the FGM front the NSWCC?

No she died in March 2021 …

 

[SLouTh]

Was this the difficulties FFC was referring to about what was going on in hers and her mother's relationship just prior to her death?

It definitely could have been a contributing factor, but we don’t know, but we do know the media reported on it for some reason …

If so, this is a really terrible scenario that they may have been living through.

Yes it would have been a very tumultuous time, and awful for all parties.

But, there is the chance that FGM also provided information to NSWCC that has led to the dig and the considering of charges in WT's matter.

It is definitely possible, if FGM revealed information when she was last interviewed by SFR…. The fact that she was named a POI posthumously indicates to me, that SFR had re spoken with the FGM before she died in March 2021.

Just tossing this up there ….. is it possible the ODPP are unable to charge the FM, as they needed to rely on testimony, and evidence, from FGM to strengthen their case, and that is no longer possible ….


All Theory and Speculation and MOO

 

[SLouTh]

New Article

Major development in investigation into William Tyrrell case as key deadline is blown​

• Deadline for charging William's foster mother has arrived
• Likely to be extended as police hand over more evidence
• Police handed brief to prosecutors in June last year

Major development in William Tyrrell foster mother case

The deadline for charging William Tyrrell 's foster mother over the toddler's disappearance has arrived, but is likely to be pushed back to later in the year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SLouTh]

Daily Mail Australia understands the January 31 cut-off for the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions to consider charging the 58-year-old has been extended because of new evidence added to the brief.

SNIP

The DPP's office remained tight-lipped about any developments in Australia's most mysterious missing person case, but it is likely the inquest into William's disappearance may also be delayed.

SNIP

Coroner Graham had said the matter should be finalised before the inquest's next directions date, on February 23, ahead of the final tranche of hearings, between March 4 and 15.

However, Daily Mail Australia understands those dates may now be blown out until August this year.

Major development in William Tyrrell foster mother case

The deadline for charging William Tyrrell 's foster mother over the toddler's disappearance has arrived, but is likely to be pushed back to later in the year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Couldbe]

Daily Mail Australia understands the January 31 cut-off for the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions to consider charging the 58-year-old has been extended because of new evidence added to the brief.

SNIP

The DPP's office remained tight-lipped about any developments in Australia's most mysterious missing person case, but it is likely the inquest into William's disappearance may also be delayed.

SNIP

Coroner Graham had said the matter should be finalised before the inquest's next directions date, on February 23, ahead of the final tranche of hearings, between March 4 and 15.

However, Daily Mail Australia understands those dates may now be blown out until August this year.

Major development in William Tyrrell foster mother case

The deadline for charging William Tyrrell 's foster mother over the toddler's disappearance has arrived, but is likely to be pushed back to later in the year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just Wow!!

JMO - I hadn't considered an extension would occur.

 

[SLouTh]

A little information as to who may be called to the next inquest tranche..

Strike Force Rosann Commander, Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw, and other members of his team are expected to attend the next sittings of the inquest.

It is not known if William Tyrrell's foster parents or the missing boy's biological parents will attend or be recalled as witnesses.

It is understood all four can be recalled, while previous witnesses at the hearings would not be required.


Wonder how they are going to proceed?? Obviously there will be reports of SFR’s work for the Coroner delivered, but I wonder who they are going to call this time??

Major development in William Tyrrell foster mother case

The deadline for charging William Tyrrell 's foster mother over the toddler's disappearance has arrived, but is likely to be pushed back to later in the year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SLouTh]

Just Wow!!

JMO - I hadn't considered an extension would occur.

TBH I hadn’t really either, with Craddock's previous statement being so blunt about the deadline …

IMO

 

[Detective Willy]

I am very happy that the NSW Police are so determined to see justice for William.

As many people have pointed out, the FP's and FGM stories simply do not line up no matter how you twist it.

So obvious that something is not right IMO.

I wonder what the NEW EVIDENCE is that has been ADDED TO THE BRIEF?

 

[iiiii's]

This step with the ODPP does not seem like something unusual. They show this step a lot in a program like (I feel stupid saying it) CSI, where there is a suspect and the ODPP advises the police on what they need to add to the brief of evidence for the Office to undertake prosecution. It's just that we are usually not privy to this step in the process. IMO

 

[SLouTh]

This step with the ODPP does not seem like something unusual. They show this step a lot in a program like (I feel stupid saying it) CSI, where there is a suspect and the ODPP advises the police on what they need to add to the brief of evidence for the Office to undertake prosecution. It's just that we are usually not privy to this step in the process. IMO

Yes good point … it just seems so s-l-o-w….. with Australian justice .. they have had the file for 7months already …

IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes good point … it just seems so s-l-o-w….. with Australian justice .. they have had the file for 7months already …

IMO

The DPP might have told the police a while ago that they needed to add to the brief if they wanted a prosecution, but a leak to the DM only happened now because it is after 31st January and people are asking.

There are a few "may"s in the article (inquest may be delayed ... dates may be blown out) so it will be better if/when Craddock makes an announcement about a delay.
I have been waiting for another publication to pick this up, but they may be waiting for something official.

I have just read a book by Janet Fife-Yeomans called Killing Jodie. The NSW DPP very firmly knocked back the police queries for murder charges at least 3 separate times, over a lengthy amount of time, in that investigation.

imo

 

[SLouTh]

There are a few "may"s in the article (inquest may be delayed ... dates may be blown out) so it will be better if/when Craddock makes an announcement about a delay.

Yes I also noticed the “may” …. In the reporting ….

Agree it will be interesting to see what Craddock‘s statement is …. And whether or not we have to wait until the 23rd Feb for it???

Technically, if no charges are yet laid, nor any before the 4th March, then there is no need to delay the inquest….

I have been waiting for another publication to pick this up, but they may be waiting for something official.

I have also been stalking other media outlets for an update …