AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #4

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I know her Dad does not think it is her, but I still do, unless LE says otherwise. I think he does not want to think it is her.
 
WideOpen said:
Just to note, do not know if you have seen it reported.
It has been said, that Adrienne's father does not believe it is Adrienne on the video.

It might take me few to find a link.

jmo
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I have seen that, but I believe it is her. I believe that police believe that it is her. Humans tend to rationalize away information that would fit a scenario we wouldn't like, or is perhaps contrary to our hopes. As such, if I were him, I would probably be in the same boat. If it wasn't absolutely clear that it was her - 100% - then I would probably deny it. I would also look for the slightest things to be 'off' to confirm my denial.
 
Nowadays, it's such a significant disadvantage to be a young (and perhaps distressed/inebriated/emotional) female out late at night because there are people with cellphones who can call their buddies (or text their buddies) and boy, double trouble in the sense that your location, route, emotional state, whereabouts, etc are known to others and yet the unsuspecting female knows nothing about the quick "set up" of sorts that's starting to emerge.

I'm not saying this is what happened to AS necessarily, just throwing it out there to all the old timers (like myself) that remember a simpler, safer life in some ways prior to all the technology.
 
cluciano63 said:
I know her Dad does not think it is her, but I still do, unless LE says otherwise. I think he does not want to think it is her.
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I know what you mean. I decided I was going to trust the fathers response prior to his comment on this "not being Adrienne". I am willing to consider all angles still though!

Seeing that LE has not updated the original report and has been very mum, I am not expecting them to retract or change their stance.
http://www.tempe.gov/index.aspx?page=31&recordid=1579

jmo
 
Tonto said:
I have seen that, but I believe it is her. I believe that police believe that it is her. Humans tend to rationalize away information that would fit a scenario we wouldn't like, or is perhaps contrary to our hopes. As such, if I were him, I would probably be in the same boat. If it wasn't absolutely clear that it was her - 100% - then I would probably deny it. I would also look for the slightest things to be 'off' to confirm my denial.
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Back for a few ...

I concede this could be possible. The only thing that makes me think he could be right is that he insists he thinks his daughter was kidnapped. So this would actually verify what he thinks if the video is her. Would that be fair to assume?
 
Elainera said:
Sorry to butt in but I remember that there was a later article that had changed timings for the initial call and the call back from the cabbie, and they made more sense (no long gap). But don't ask me to find that article now!
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I think this could be the article that would change the timeframe. However, I believe it is flawed and found no further evidence to support this time of the call being initiated.

jmo

According to phone records, Salinas had called for a cab and spoke to the driver around 4:43 a.m. The driver was headed to pick her up at a local AM/PM, but Salinas never showed up.
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Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...-missing-woman-Adrienne-Salinas#ixzz2ZpzLIfjm
 
MissDemeanor said:
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I concede this could be possible. The only thing that makes me think he could be right is that he insists he thinks his daughter was kidnapped. So this would actually verify what he thinks if the video is her. Would that be fair to assume?
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Sort of. It depends on whether he is only entertaining theories that she is alive. I imagine he is and I would be too. Unfortunately, if it was the scenario that many of us suspect, then that would not be the likely outcome. In that case, I could see why he would want to block out or rationalize away anything that substantiates that possibility.

For example, he could believe that it was someone she knew that is keeping her somewhere. If he or her friends didn't recognize the car in the video, then he would be quicker to dismiss the possibility that it was her in the video.

Also, we should not forget that these videos are often grainy. If they were clear, I have a feeling that the car would be easier to ID more than "dark 4 door". At the very least the general make and model would be relatively clear, and friends and family would be able to ID it if it was a known associate of hers.

In other words, if the car isn't entirely identifiable, then it is likely that Adrienne isn't either.
 
Tonto said:
Sort of. It depends on whether he is only entertaining theories that she is alive. I imagine he is and I would be too. Unfortunately, if it was the scenario that many of us suspect, then that would not be the likely outcome. In that case, I could see why he would want to block out or rationalize away anything that substantiates that possibility.

For example, he could believe that it was someone she knew that is keeping her somewhere. If he or her friends didn't recognize the car in the video, then he would be quicker to dismiss the possibility that it was her in the video.

Also, we should not forget that these videos are often grainy. If they were clear, I have a feeling that the car would be easier to ID more than "dark 4 door". At the very least the general make and model would be relatively clear, and friends and family would be able to ID it if it was a known associate of hers.

In other words, if the car isn't entirely identifiable, then it is likely that Adrienne isn't either.
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I understand what you are saying and again I agree you could very well be right. Here's what I am thinking, however. Just having her on that side of the street and on the other side of O'Reilly's almost wrecks any theory of me believing a car could have left the AM/PM store and gone down Hardy to intercept her.

Do you see what I am saying? Could it have any merit? It really doesn't change things that much. Not really.
 
I mean...what I am saying is...it's just so difficult to fathom that she would walk that way, cutting through that parking lot. It interferes with my theory. ;)
 
MissDemeanor said:
I understand what you are saying and again I agree you could very well be right. Here's what I am thinking, however. Just having her on that side of the street and on the other side of O'Reilly's almost wrecks any theory of me believing a car could have left the AM/PM store and gone down Hardy to intercept her.

Do you see what I am saying? Could it have any merit? It really doesn't change things that much. Not really.
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Oh, I don't think a car left AMPM to intercept her. I think a car went to AMPM after it intercepted her. ;)
 
I feel we've reached a dead end at this point (morbid pun not intended) ... unless LE comes out with a presser and asks for something...
Comparing this case to others, there is a lack of area searches being organized... fear this case will grow cold...
 
Tonto said:
Oh, I don't think a car left AMPM to intercept her. I think a car went to AMPM after it intercepted her. ;)
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I'm trying to put that together in my head and to be really honest I'm having a really difficult time. We are basically on the same page here...maybe just a few paragraphs apart. But I can't even imagine that any driver would go there with her in the car and take that kind of chance.

But then it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. I've been wrong before, once. ;)
 
OldSteve said:
I feel we've reached a dead end at this point (morbid pun not intended) ... unless LE comes out with a presser and asks for something...
Comparing this case to others, there is a lack of area searches being organized... fear this case will grow cold...
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Gosh Steve! I feel we are getting so much closer! I mean...really hot. And I'm pretty positive we can't be the only ones thinking the way we do.

The only reason it would be super important if the video was her would be if the dark car was also identifiable and turned out to be a cab.

That would be very important!
 
Okay Tonto...I understand now why the video is still so important to you. From that perspective it would be. If the car and Adrienne could be identified...that would be very significant. I'm going to concede this point in lieu of my remembering that. ;)
 
If her father thinks this is not her, it could be because he prefers to think she is with someone she knows who won't hurt her, even if they are "holding" her for some reason. The way the video sounds, it presents an ominous scenario.

Of course, we don't know for sure. Hoping LE does though.
 
MissDemeanor said:
I'm trying to put that together in my head and to be really honest I'm having a really difficult time. We are basically on the same page here...maybe just a few paragraphs apart. But I can't even imagine that any driver would go there with her in the car and take that kind of chance.

But then it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. I've been wrong before, once. ;)
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Alibi. I could also see someone going to purchase 'a few things'. I'd be interested to know if this individual bought anything, and if so - what. She could also be in the car and unharmed up to this point (if the car had tinted windows or the cameras didn't catch the back seat), though that is somewhat unlikely. I'm thinking she was in the trunk and already incapacitated in some way. Remember - there could be a time gap of 20 minutes, which is plenty of time to do what the perp needed to do to restrain or worse.

God I hope her friends and family don't read here. I hate typing this stuff out but feel it needs to be put out there for consideration. I want them to have her back alive and well, but if not I want them to have closure - and justice.
 
Tonto said:
Alibi. I could also see someone going to purchase 'a few things'. I'd be interested to know if this individual bought anything, and if so - what. She could also be in the car and unharmed up to this point (if the car had tinted windows or the cameras didn't catch the back seat), though that is somewhat unlikely. I'm thinking she was in the trunk and already incapacitated in some way.

God I hope her friends and family don't read here. I hate typing this stuff out but feel it needs to be put out there for consideration. I want them to have her back alive and well, but if not I want them to have closure - and justice.
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It hurts me so much just to read this. But I understand what you are saying. It actually made something different come to my mind but I won't put it here. There's no point in going off in another direction. While it doesn't all seem to fit just perfectly, it does seem to have merit.

Sadly.....very sadly.
 
MissDemeanor said:
It hurts me so much just to read this. But I understand what you are saying. It actually made something different come to my mind but I won't put it here. There's no point in going off in another direction. While it doesn't all seem to fit just perfectly, it does seem to have merit.

Sadly.....very sadly.
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I had a similar reaction... not even going to articulate it here... yet. My heart is very heavy right now.
 
Catching up, just wanted to post before I forget... I often cut across in odd, infinite, unique patterns when I'm walking, for any number of reasons depending on the particular situation / location:

sprinklers
poop / trash
water puddles
etc etc (half asleep)
 
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