AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #6

[cluciano63]

(Making a note to myself to mail away for police report the first day a case appears on WS...)

 

[margarita25]

Sort of O/T:

Question re: similar disappearances:

The possibility of human trafficking always comes up in these cases. The statistics are outrageous. I see Arizona recently created a new Human Trafficking Task Force.

Has there ever been a case on WS where human trafficking actually did turn out to be the case? TIA

 

[Elainera]

This is telling, too. This all goes back to the whole one minute she was on the phone and fine, and the next minute it was off and she was gone. I'd love to know if she has GPS and where she was when this happened.

60 seconds, folks. It's either a highly efficient perpetrator, someone she knew, or someone she trusted at that time.

It's longer than that, we have established that. Her last call was to the cab guy at 4:53 and lastet a minute. That's when she said she'll be there in a minute. At 5:06 he started calling her because she didn't show, and her phone went to voice mail. So there's a window of roughly 12 minutes.

 

[GGE]

Sort of O/T:

Question re: similar disappearances:

The possibility of human trafficking always comes up in these cases. The statistics are outrageous. I see Arizona recently Created a new Human Trafficking Task Force.

Has there ever been a case on WS where human trafficking actually did turn out to be the case?

IMO only - They're sorta tricky to solve, so... I daresay the UIDs / unsolved cases represent the sex trafficked as well as many other scenarios.

 

[margarita25]

What if George did not originally intend to dump Annodvedwin where he did, but rather somewhere in the vicinity of where Adrienne was walking...
Did she witness anything? Or another thought, could he have hit her with his car while fleeing?

I'm sure he has way lawyered up, so I doubt information is forthcoming...

 

[cluciano63]

LE said (on NG show) there were quite a lot of people "out and about" at the time A went missing...I don't think the murder of the other woman is related. Sounds like there was relatively high activity, she was not alone on the streets.

 

[Elissa00]

It wasn't until I bought this cab company that I learned of the "Overnight Society" that rules the roost once the sun goes down in Tempe and Scottsdale. How do I explain this large group of people who don't even get out of bed until four or five in the afternoon...this group of guys and gals who don't get fully dressed until 9pm? Unless you're up and out at that time, unless you see it every night, you would not believe it. It's the drug culture, the bar culture, the dance culture, and in Tempe, it's the "house party culture." These "house parties" are regularly talked about at police shift briefings, they are a part of the culture. The cops will roll up ten car strong on one of them, kids will jump out of the side and back windows of the house, each with cell phone in hand as they speed dial a cab to come and get them out of Dodge. When they are safely in the car they ring up other people at other parties and guess where the cab takes them? Exactly, another house party. Remember Cheers, "where everybody knows your name? Sadly, in this case, think of it this way: "House parties, where nobody knows your name."These kids don't know each other, they're just looking for the booze and the "make out partner". As for 5am, that's exactly the time when we pick these kids up to finally go home. Half dressed and half-witted, they stumble into the cab, and we try and get them home safely. The overnight Society in Tempe, believe it, it exists, especially in the area where Adrienne was walking the day she disappeared.--Cab Guy

This is so the scene in Tempe and Scottsdale. It's even where the website called "thedirty" started..it started as "thedirtyscottsdale" :/ lots of drugs and shady characters in the wee hours of the morning. We lived in AZ from 02 to 2008 and from what I've heard not much has changed, it's still kind of a trashy club scene with lots of drugs.. :/

 

[Elissa00]

I hope they made note of the vacant houses in the area and checked them. Many transients squat in these houses. Tempe has one of the highest vacancy rates in all of the US.

It's because it had so many foreclosures when the housing market crashed. :/

 

[mamacita]

That ENTIRE route, not just the obvious route. G-d, I HOPE.

that park has given me the creeps since the beginning of this case!!

eta - i think i quoted the wrong comment.. sorry about that. off to bed i go. it's obviously time!

 

[margarita25]

We all make poor decisions, I know, but if this area is known to be so dangerous with gangs, shady characters, crimes, etc., I would think Adrienne would be aware of this as a local, right? So, then why would Adrienne make this decision to walk? This again is insight to her state of mind at the time that she was overly distraught, desperate to see her boyfriend...or possibly intoxicated or possible head injury...

I feel like I'm just going around in circles here going back to things that have been mentioned over and over. So, once again, time to sit back.

 

[mamacita]

just wanna throw in one more comment for the night. it absolutely gives me the heebeegeebees to think about someone being out there that knows exactly where Adrienne is and what happened and they're probably watching all the news reports, possibly even hanging out in her apartment (with mutual friends).. and we are sitting here thinking about so many possibilities.. not knowing if there is an inch of truth to any of them.

i hope whoever is responsible for Adrienne's disappearance is sweating bullets, not sleeping well, feeling like they have to watch over their shoulder every second of every day. i hope and pray that they have had mercy on Adrienne and that she's still alive, although i have my doubts. but i hope what they have done has them stressed the heck out.

if the perp is reading here, i want them to know that Adrienne doesn't deserve this. neither does her family. if you had a daughter of your own, would you want something like this to happen to her? how would you feel? would you want something like this to happen to ANY of your loved ones?

 

[SandSage]

We all make poor decisions, I know, but if this area is known to be so dangerous with gangs, shady characters, crimes, etc., I would think Adrienne would be aware of this as a local, right? So, then why would Adrienne make this decision to walk? This again is insight to her state of mind at the time that she was overly distraught, desperate to see her boyfriend...or possibly intoxicated or possible head injury...

I feel like I'm just going around in circles here going back to things that have been mentioned over and over. So, once again, time to sit back.

It's hard to explain, Margarita. I will try, and this is just my personal experience. I guess you either live in fear of your surroundings, move or become "comfortable" (whether or not that is the wisest, it is probably the most likely if the other two aren't options). Where we live, I see renters move in and move right back out after 6 months because by day it's a very different place than it is by night. I own my home, have lived here 12 years and cannot afford to move. We know about the elements of danger and have learned to adapt (sort of)... our neighbors are gang members, and to be quite honest, because we've kept the lines of communication open, they are actually more likely to watch out for us than harm us. We don't have the transient population... we do have drugs - mostly it is the older teens and really the only "problems" they have caused are the occasional stolen bike, the police cars and helicopters when they're busting someone (hard to sleep with spots and flashing lights) and their sh***y attitudes (druggies not LE, LOL). So... do we walk to the dumpster at night? Yeah, we do. Do we walk the dogs and to the store? Yeah, we do. It's our home. We're accustomed to it and probably feel a little safer than we should.

Our only option is to be afraid and that is not an option. Adrienne and her friends probably frequented that park and the streets. She probably lived the way we do... After while, when you're surrounded by a certain ilk, you just kind of let your guard down and with the added elements of niavity, youth, and trusting disposition (oh... and let's add drive to get to BF's), she was a walking target.

That neighborhood is apartment central and it's in a college town. It's transient as heck... I think it was just what she was used to and felt safe.

All that said, this is assuming she did not know her abductor... and I still think she did.

 

[karenky]

So, the main reason I shot the video is that with no physical evidence it occurs to me that the entire area, from Adrienne's apartment to the AM PM is your crime scene. I say crime scene because in official paperwork, LE has called this a kidnapping.--Cab Guy

Very nice job Cab Guy! It was creepy enough during the daytime but can only imagine it was much more so in the early dawn hours. I have to wonder if she had actually ever walked to the AMPM before. I'm sure her roommates would know. I can't imagine any woman making that walk alone if she had.

Now I wonder if she caught a ride to the AMPM and still thought things were fine when she said that she would be there in a minute.... then the car she was riding in passed up the lot and kept on driving with her inside. :notgood:

 

[cluciano63]

It is pretty awful to think that in all of these cases, someone is sitting at home knowing exactly where the victim is. And seemingly are prepared to let it drag on for years, if possible, as long as they do not have to pay for their crimes.

 

[SandSage]

Cab_Guy, I just saw something... someone has claimed the cab driver stated Adrienne was with someone when she called for the cab. Is this true?

 

[AmorAlways]

IMO they would classify it as "Missing Person" not "Kidnapped" if there was genuinely NO evidence of such.

This case reminds me too much of Kortne Stouffer.. Missing over shy of a year now. No leads, tips, clues.. nothing. She had an eventful night. And If i recall correctly, the police report said kidnapping as well. And had warrants to search car/house of the last two gentlemen that was with her but nothing. I wouldn't look too much into having evidence of a kidnapping, if that's what it is being reported as.

 

[cluciano63]

This case reminds me too much of Kortne Stouffer.. Missing over shy of a year now. No leads, tips, clues.. nothing. She had an eventful night. And If i recall correctly, the police report said kidnapping as well. And had warrants to search car/house of the last two gentlemen that was with her but nothing. I wouldn't look too much into having evidence of a kidnapping, if that's what it is being reported as.

Yes, this case has always reminded me of Korte, as well as Lauren Spierer. Action-packed party nights ending in disappearance. I don't know that Adrienne's case been officially "classified" as a kidnapping, but it is the only logical conclusion at this point, IMO.

 

[Public_Hysteria]

Cab_Guy, I just saw something... someone has claimed the cab driver stated Adrienne was with someone when she called for the cab. Is this true?

Hey Sand! Where did you see this?

If true, this could very well be the lead that LE needs to solve this one.

 

[SandSage]

Hey Sand! Where did you see this?

If true, this could very well be the lead that LE needs to solve this one.

Unfortunately (fortunately?) it was a comment made on her "missing" page so I paraphrased it and... I guess we'll see. That's pretty important info, IMO, so if it is accurate it would great to know!

 

[Public_Hysteria]

Unfortunately (fortunately?) it was a comment made on her "missing" page so I paraphrased it and... I guess we'll see. That's pretty important info, IMO, so if it is accurate it would great to know!

Damn. Hopefully it's true, I don't know if LE have any firm leads on Adrienne's disappearance, so this would definitely help... but the facebook page is in shambles, so I'm not sure how much I trust anything there.

Fingers crossed that this leads somewhere.