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She isn't incapacitated though. People can't be effectively sectioned just because you don't like their decisions. <modsnip - off topic> Jmo, imo, moo!!MOO
as a last resort, if LE fails to arrest anyone, AN’s mother maybe could seek a permanent or emergency guardianship in court. This is usually for senior care, but it wouldn’t hurt to try
“An emergency guardianship in Arizona is expedited (within 24-72 hours) and typically chosen when imminent financial harm, physical harm, or death is going to happen to an incapacitated person.”
(In Arizona, Incapacitated person includes any person who is impaired by reason of mental illness, mental deficiency, mental disorder)
AN recently moved to a dangerous native reservation known for violent crimes, so one could Argue there is imminent physical harm exacerbated by her vulnerabilities, lack of proper education, lack of medical care, etc.
If emergency guardianship arguments fail, she can then try to file for permanent guardianship:
“A permanent guardianship will be granted if the ward is still unable to take care of themselves and there is no reasonable objection to not granting the guardianship.”
I think the most likely scenario here is that these two haven't been together this whole time.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. The dental work is basic medical care being neglected.I was thinking her lack of dental care could help with that. But if she is able to get all her paperwork to legally work, maybe she will get medical and dental. I am hoping a witnesses have come forward and they can get a solid timeline on this.
In Arizona, someone incapacitated includes someone with a mental disorderShe isn't incapacitated though. People can't be effectively sectioned just because you don't like their decisions. <modsnip - off topic> Jmo, imo, moo!!
She is an international news story. millions of people still want to know what happened, and until they get that answer, there will be cameras and attentionIf people don't leave her alone she might just disappear again. She clearly just wants to live a "normal" life and not be bothered by other people. Whatever the reason may be, it appears she's not willing to have contact with her mother and just wanted her to know she's okay so she can stop looking and move on. Yes, I know this is cold but Alicia has the right to make her own decisions and to be respected.
On what basis do you say that? We practically know nothing. Nobody except the main players have the case file, the original documents, the full interview when AN first went to the police station, among other things.She isn't incapacitated though. People can't be effectively sectioned just because you don't like their decisions. <modsnip - off topic> Jmo, imo, moo!!
100%. Look at the case of Elizabeth Thomas who went “willingly” with her predator. She had to go to an inpatient therapeutic program before she realized that what happened wasn’t her choice, or her fault.I really don't think a meaningful reunion can/will take place until the perp is out of the way. IMO, AN was a very vulnerable child that was preyed upon like so many 14 yr old's, and then add her being autistic-- this just raised the stakes.
It will take some time for her to realize she was a victim of her partner, and it's not going to happen as long as he's in her daily presence. JMO
Moo-
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I think the law needs to recognize people with mental disabilities Better. It’s a hard problem to solve because there’s so much variability in the spectrum, and maturity levels differ in everyone . perhaps give a longer runway to autistic children before they’re considered “adult” under the law.
Regardless of mental disability, I think kids that are kidnapped and harbored for long periods of time need to be considered children until they’re 21 or so due to “mental conditioning” and grooming that can destroy their mind and ability to make decisions for themselves. How can AN make decision for herself when she probably didn’t go to school moo, leaving her educationally delayed?
I was thinking her lack of dental care could help with that. But if she is able to get all her paperwork to legally work, maybe she will get medical and dental. I am hoping a witnesses have come forward and they can get a solid timeline on this.
On what basis do you say that? We practically know nothing. Nobody except the main players have the case file, the original documents, the full interview when AN first went to the police station, among other things.
The allegation/claim that AN wants to be left alone seems SOLELY based on there being no reporting on an in-person meeting or reunion between AN and mother. They could have long-term plans to reunite (they have mentioned that in passing). IMO that info isn't of public interest or concern and may not be reported on or information given about.
Doesn't this also mostly pertain to persons who are physically incapable of caring for their own physical needs so to speak (someone with limited dexterity/mobility). If a caregiver is required and there isn't one made available for example.Neglecting dental care doesn't make one incapacitated.
Doesn't this also mostly pertain to persons who are physically incapable of caring for their own physical needs so to speak (someone with limited dexterity/mobility). If a caregiver is required and there isn't one made available for example.
What about between the ages of 14/15 to 18? Does it make a difference if it's a teenager who "ran away" versus one who went "missing"? FWIW I don't want to head into the dark waters of what is known to some as abelism.
She is not 14 anymore. I'm talking about the here and now, not what happened when she was 14.
Autism by itself isn't a mental disorder, and certainly not a condition that anyone would be sectioned under. You just don't like her decisions so want to take her rights away. That's not morally correct imo. Jmo, moo.In Arizona, someone incapacitated includes someone with a mental disorder
She is an international news story. millions of people still want to know what happened, and until they get that answer, there will be cameras and attention
Moo
I agree with everything you said except I would really really want some confirmation that she is in fact making decisions freely and not based on threats or manipulation. And that has nothing to do with autism. There are just too many cases where victims stay with captors because they are terrorized or otherwise manipulated into believing that is their only choice.Autism by itself isn't a mental disorder, and certainly not a condition that anyone would be sectioned under. You just don't like her decisions so want to take her rights away. That's not morally correct imo. Jmo, moo.
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