Found Deceased AZ - Benjamin Anderson, 41, Car found burned, Phoenix, 31 Dec 2021

[FlossyMay]

I read comments a few places asking why the police haven't released the footage of the suspects from the Sheraton or from any highway cameras. Does anyone know why the police would be sitting on that?

I lost my place so maybe this was already answered, but maybe LE already knows who these 3 people are.

 

[Mccrackenator]

I lost my place so maybe this was already answered, but maybe LE already knows who these 3 people are.

That, or they want to creat the illusion that they don’t know. If their photos started getting plastered everywhere, the suspect(s) would probably skip town, commit suicide, go to an attorney right away to craft a plausible defense, etc.

Best case scenario for the cops is that they surprise them with the arrest and overwhelm them during the initial interrogation to provoke an admission or at least incriminating information about the other suspects

 

[BradSleuth1]

Are you freaking kidding me!!!! It seems like this guy Dan can't seem to get his story straight. Oh yeah but let's not read into it

What’s different? Agreed, the media does the interview and then they slice and dice it

 

[BradSleuth1]

I lost my place so maybe this was already answered, but maybe LE already knows who these 3 people are.

That’s my theory. We haven’t seen a sketch or pics to the media. With Cameras at the Sheraton, Super 8, any everywhere else, I imagine they know exactly what they look like and are working out next steps.

 

[Kpossible44]

A new article. It mentions the bathroom window being open. I don’t recall seeing this in previous articles.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-c...clarity-surrounding-valley-mans-mystery-death

 

[thelb09]

I read comments a few places asking why the police haven't released the footage of the suspects from the Sheraton or from any highway cameras. Does anyone know why the police would be sitting on that?

My assumption would be to prevent certain things from happening that could hinder their efforts to get solid things that can lead to something helpful.

 

[whitelilac]

A new article. It mentions the bathroom window being open. I don’t recall seeing this in previous articles.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-c...clarity-surrounding-valley-mans-mystery-death

"MCSO did not have any new information on the case as of Tuesday."
This is discouraging.
I hope they in fact do, and are just not saying.

So want to see justice served here, it's so heartbreaking. Though I do not know Ben, I think of him and his friends and family.

 

[Snail13]

A new article. It mentions the bathroom window being open. I don’t recall seeing this in previous articles.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-c...clarity-surrounding-valley-mans-mystery-death

I am thinking Ben left it open to let out the humidity from the shower and forgot to close it. A lot of older homes don't have exhaust fans in the bathroom. It does make me wonder how big the window was though.

 

[Rural_PC]

My assumption would be to prevent certain things from happening that could hinder their efforts to get solid things that can lead to something helpful.

Welcome. Sorry about Benjamin.

 

[Sillybilly]

Everyone please welcome thelb09, another friend of Ben's who has also been verified. As a VI, they do not have to provide links to what they state as fact about their friendship with Ben or any knowledge they may have about the case.

You may ask our VIs questions but you may not challenge them or bicker with them about what they have to contribute. You may not be rude or disrespectful to our VIs in any way.

Other than not having to provide links to support what they say, VIs are required to post in accordance with other WS rules.

 

[katydid23]

Are you freaking kidding me!!!! It seems like this guy Dan can't seem to get his story straight. Oh yeah but let's not read into it

What is it, specifically, that you think he cannot get straight?

 

[Another friend of Ben]

I’m back. I took some days off for my mental health. Just seeing his name, images and talking about his death was taking a toll on me. I’ll read over the comments and respond.

welcome thelb09.

 

[BenjaminJAndersonAlly]

I read comments a few places asking why the police haven't released the footage of the suspects from the Sheraton … Does anyone know why the police would be sitting on that?

PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - …

Benjamin's friends were able to track his car to a motel along I-17, but the vehicle was gone by the time Phoenix Police arrived. Stahoviak and his friends searched for the vehicle and eventually found it at a Sheraton near I-17 and Dunlap, with three people standing around the car. Before they could confront the trio, friends say they took off, and they tried to follow them before ultimately losing sight of them.

Several hours later, the car was found burned in the parking lot of the UEI College…

Benjamin's friends and family have raised$25,000 for anyone who has information leading to an arrest.

A new article. It mentions the bathroom window being open. I don’t recall seeing this in previous articles.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-c...clarity-surrounding-valley-mans-mystery-death

“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.”

I mentioned before that I had found it odd Ben hadn’t mentioned anything to me about having been up in northern Arizona visiting friends/driving home the 30th of December because he hadn’t mentioned anything about it to me during our text message exchange that night. Previously, this had been the reason, per Dan, Ben had given for cancellation of the 12/31/21 morning brunch as he was too tired from the driving associated with those activities.

Now, in this latest story it states that in the 8am phone call, Ben made to Dan calling off said brunch it was because he was tired from a long day of work the day before!? WHAT?!

There is no mention of having been up in northern Arizona visiting friends and/or the long drive at all.

I also find it odd Chris is never mentioned anywhere, in any MSM report to this point, and now, here he is, front & center in this, the latest, MSM news story (he is both featured on camera, and he mentioned in the written article).

I was interested to learn, in this article, Chris was supposedly the driver of “the friends’” vehicle. It had not previously been divulged in MSM that he had even been present during the 12/31/21 events that transpired.

I’m listening to this story, and I am literally voicing aloud to myself, “WWWHHAAT!?!?” as we learn the bathroom window in Ben’s residence was open (a minor detail possibly of extreme importance omitted from all previous reports).

In the case of the “Sheraton footage,” though many have been quick to jump to criticism & attempt to put the kibosh on my expressed opinions/my theories, could there be a chance it is because there exists none, or the quality is so poor it may not be beneficial/useful?

One would think LE would be putting that out (by now) so the public would be able to assist in identifying the suspect(s) if they had not already done so with some level of confidence - especially in such a high profile case.

If LE felt they had good id/intell on the suspect(s) (from all the camera footage @BradSleuth1 reminds us is potentially available + possibly any DNA they may have been able to collect at the scene(s) of the crime) they would have likely brought him/her/them in for an initial interrogation and/or made an arrest by now, I would expect.

I don’t buy into the argument that LE doesn’t want to release the suspect(s) sketches/faces/video for public to view for fear that would cause their potential flight.

LE can even utilize collected DNA technology to build a sketch of the suspect (see screenshot to view Mesa Police example).

Remember our “serial shooter” who was firing at unsuspecting drivers along the I-10 a few years ago? The sketch of that suspect is still burned into my memory as though it was yesterday.

There have been many instances when sketches, images, and wanted posters have aided in bringing violent offenders to justice.

Of course the FBI has their infamous “Most Wanted List.” Remember AZ’s own Robert Fisher? His photos are still up w/age enhanced photos added beside them.

I have been waiting patiently, as have all of you, but I have still seen no concrete evidence nor been made aware of any evidence to date validating the existence of the mystery trio nor that the alleged car pursuit took place.

With yesterday’s news story, as well as today’s story, we have another major adjustment in the recounting of events … Now, rather than the Lexus/police communication identifying the Lexus and/or mystery trio at the motel, we’ve got “the friends” allegedly being the ones tracking the Lexus/trio to the motel and then to the Sheraton in these reports.

**smh**

The only thing consistent about “the friends” story is that the story, itself, is consistently altered, continuously transformed, & changed.

Though this is the case, many seem to turn a blind eye to it, “follow the sheep,” and just accept whatever is stated as fact.

While I do accept some do not agree with me or support my opinions, I still have a voice and a choice (as well as a right to share both). I will not be bullied into being censored to the point that I will no longer post to this website.

I do understand that the media can twist things as well as lose things in translation sometimes.

That said, there are so many inconsistencies, there are multiple components that do not fit/don’t make sense. My opinions are heavily weighted on my most recent communications with Ben and on my experience (including, but not limited to, my knowledge of privacy law & disclosure restrictions).

As an aside, when I last checked, there had been $10,555 raised by the Go Fund Me campaign. “The friends” have not yet raised the full $25,000. Yet, the 2 most recent news stories state they have raised the $25,000.

Am I missing something?

Why try to alter perceptions when what they have managed to raise is awesome (more than respectable)?

The combination of these factors cause me and others to look at “the friends” with increased scrutiny & suspicion.

This doesn’t mean we are “accusing” them of a crime, but it certainly is alarming that it seems with many of the reports coming out, as of late, there seems to be something “off,” or some new piece of withheld information comes to light. It certainly doesn’t make me feel good.

Also, recent homicide victims from early December - January 1st have victims’ photos/posters on the Silent Witness website with “up to $2,000” rewards for information. There are several homicide victims’ posters there, but I only included one screenshot example in my collection below as I have many/multiple screenshots in this post.

Ben’s case/photo/poster is missing. WHY?!?

Something is amiss. This case is different. I don’t know why. I have no idea why LE is treating it so atypically. I do not know what is going on, but it is making me super uncomfortable, I cannot sleep, and I, like all of you, of course want/need answers.

Most everyone has the mindset, “Justice for Ben.” Well, yes.

HOWEVER, my Ben, would be say’n, “Honey, I’m already gone, get these guys off the streets so they can NEVER EVER - EEEVVEER HURT ANYONE like they hurt me ever again.” That would be his concern. That’s the kind of person he was. Even in death, Ben would be putting others first.

If these events that allegedly transpired did occur, as stated (and I still hope so), it is my hope that, ultimately, evidence to that effect will be produced. Until then, we wait.

**Tried to edit and add more supporting documentation in the form of screenshots from the various articles, but the system would not allow/stated not permitted to add any additional screenshots**

 

[katydid23]

Fantastic post, @BenjaminJAndersonAlly, well explained and thought out. That is a lot to think about.

I agree that some of those stories seem different than earlier versions. I'd have to wonder why.

 

[BenjaminJAndersonAlly]

Fantastic post, @BenjaminJAndersonAlly, well explained and thought out. That is a lot to think about.

I agree that some of those stories seem different than earlier versions. I'd have to wonder why.

 

[JJ Ray]

Are you freaking kidding me!!!! It seems like this guy Dan can't seem to get his story straight. Oh yeah but let's not read into it

My understanding from DS, MSM, etc. on the day of the disappearance there was A) a prescription to be picked up for a family member (IMO this was in conjunction with DYI project at Aunts or parents who I believe still live on westside) and it was not. B) another friend called around 8:30 give or take and made plans to meet later. This did not occur, person has been interviewed by MCSO, presumably cleared. C) the DYI project, installed light bulbs (or a fixture) that did not occur as scheduled. D) Picking up or at least visiting the dog at his parents house.

 

[JJ Ray]

You know they don't have to have the phone to get phone records and with Google you can archive your account and get every text message printed out every phone call anything it's all in black and white nobody can change it either

Partially true...."Phone records" only show caller IDs. time and duration of call (or that a text was received), and cell towers. They do not show content of text and obviously not voice. (see below).

DMs through apps are stored either on phone or on internet servers...requiring a knowledge of what apps are downloaded to a phone. Hence the importance of the phone itself.

 

[JJ Ray]

A new article. It mentions the bathroom window being open. I don’t recall seeing this in previous articles.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-c...clarity-surrounding-valley-mans-mystery-death

This is poorly written IMO....IIRC the bathroom window is not new, it was in one MSM article from Jan. 2nd (or the Daily Beast article) but correct, not widely mentioned.

The Citizen app fire video did not happen "as they were dialing 911" from the car chase it was 1.5 hours later when they were back at BA apt. Just to clarify for anyone new, and an illustration of media, not a critique of @Kpossible44 sharing.

 

[JJ Ray]

You know they don't have to have the phone to get phone records and with Google you can archive your account and get every text message printed out every phone call anything it's all in black and white nobody can change it either

I would hope and think MCSO has checked DS, Dan's partner, etc. for where abouts, brunch took place, etc. If you know differently please contact MCSO immediately.

 

[thelb09]

“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.”

I mentioned before that I had found it odd Ben hadn’t mentioned anything to me about having been up in northern Arizona visiting friends/driving home the 30th of December because he hadn’t mentioned anything about it to me during our text message exchange that night. Previously, this had been the reason, per Dan, Ben had given for cancellation of the 12/31/21 morning brunch as he was too tired from the driving associated with those activities.

Now, in this latest story it states that in the 8am phone call, Ben made to Dan calling off said brunch it was because he was tired from a long day of work the day before!? WHAT?!

There is no mention of having been up in northern Arizona visiting friends and/or the long drive at all.

I also find it odd Chris is never mentioned anywhere, in any MSM report to this point, and now, here he is, front & center in this, the latest, MSM news story (he is both featured on camera, and he mentioned in the written article).

I was interested to learn, in this article, Chris was supposedly the driver of “the friends’” vehicle. It had not previously been divulged in MSM that he had even been present during the 12/31/21 events that transpired.

I’m listening to this story, and I am literally voicing aloud to myself, “WWWHHAAT!?!?” as we learn the bathroom window in Ben’s residence was open (a minor detail possibly of extreme importance omitted from all previous reports).

In the case of the “Sheraton footage,” though many have been quick to jump to criticism & attempt to put the kibosh on my expressed opinions/my theories, could there be a chance it is because there exists none, or the quality is so poor it may not be beneficial/useful?

One would think LE would be putting that out (by now) so the public would be able to assist in identifying the suspect(s) if they had not already done so with some level of confidence - especially in such a high profile case.

If LE felt they had good id/intell on the suspect(s) (from all the camera footage @BradSleuth1 reminds us is potentially available + possibly any DNA they may have been able to collect at the scene(s) of the crime) they would have likely brought him/her/them in for an initial interrogation and/or made an arrest by now, I would expect.

I don’t buy into the argument that LE doesn’t want to release the suspect(s) sketches/faces/video for public to view for fear that would cause their potential flight.

LE can even utilize collected DNA technology to build a sketch of the suspect (see screenshot to view Mesa Police example).

Remember our “serial shooter” who was firing at unsuspecting drivers along the I-10 a few years ago? The sketch of that suspect is still burned into my memory as though it was yesterday.

There have been many instances when sketches, images, and wanted posters have aided in bringing violent offenders to justice.

Of course the FBI has their infamous “Most Wanted List.” Remember AZ’s own Robert Fisher? His photos are still up w/age enhanced photos added beside them.

I have been waiting patiently, as have all of you, but I have still seen no concrete evidence nor been made aware of any evidence to date validating the existence of the mystery trio nor that the alleged car pursuit took place.

With yesterday’s news story, as well as today’s story, we have another major adjustment in the recounting of events … Now, rather than the Lexus/police communication identifying the Lexus and/or mystery trio at the motel, we’ve got “the friends” allegedly being the ones tracking the Lexus/trio to the motel and then to the Sheraton in these reports.

**smh**

The only thing consistent about “the friends” story is that the story, itself, is consistently altered, continuously transformed, & changed.

Though this is the case, many seem to turn a blind eye to it, “follow the sheep,” and just accept whatever is stated as fact.

While I do accept some do not agree with me or support my opinions, I still have a voice and a choice (as well as a right to share both). I will not be bullied into being censored to the point that I will no longer post to this website.

I do understand that the media can twist things as well as lose things in translation sometimes.

That said, there are so many inconsistencies, there are multiple components that do not fit/don’t make sense. My opinions are heavily weighted on my most recent communications with Ben and on my experience (including, but not limited to, my knowledge of privacy law & disclosure restrictions).

As an aside, when I last checked, there had been $10,555 raised by the Go Fund Me campaign. “The friends” have not yet raised the full $25,000. Yet, the 2 most recent news stories state they have raised the $25,000.

Am I missing something?

Why try to alter perceptions when what they have managed to raise is awesome (more than respectable)?

The combination of these factors cause me and others to look at “the friends” with increased scrutiny & suspicion.

This doesn’t mean we are “accusing” them of a crime, but it certainly is alarming that it seems with many of the reports coming out, as of late, there seems to be something “off,” or some new piece of withheld information comes to light. It certainly doesn’t make me feel good.

Also, recent homicide victims from early December - January 1st have victims’ photos/posters on the Silent Witness website with “up to $2,000” rewards for information. There are several homicide victims’ posters there, but I only included one screenshot example in my collection below as I have many/multiple screenshots in this post.

Ben’s case/photo/poster is missing. WHY?!?

Something is amiss. This case is different. I don’t know why. I have no idea why LE is treating it so atypically. I do not know what is going on, but it is making me super uncomfortable, I cannot sleep, and I, like all of you, of course want/need answers.

Most everyone has the mindset, “Justice for Ben.” Well, yes.

HOWEVER, my Ben, would be say’n, “Honey, I’m already gone, get these guys off the streets so they can NEVER EVER - EEEVVEER HURT ANYONE like they hurt me ever again.” That would be his concern. That’s the kind of person he was. Even in death, Ben would be putting others first.

If these events that allegedly transpired did occur, as stated (and I still hope so), it is my hope that, ultimately, evidence to that effect will be produced. Until then, we wait.

**Tried to edit and add more supporting documentation in the form of screenshots from the various articles, but the system would not allow/stated not permitted to add any additional screenshots**

Imagine not knowing what happened to one of your good friends. Suddenly find out he was brutally murdered and yiu trying to recall details all while dealing with the reality your friend was murdered. Then a couple weeks has passed and you’ve had a moment to process but still in shock. Details may become clearer or your perception of things may have changed. I’ve worked in front of a camera and know that how something is edited can piece together to paint a picture. He has zero control on how something is piece together in a news report or article.
And if the mate is like me a very low key and would have opted to avoid being on camera. I’m a emotional person but 2 weeks later he may have a push to share more and get on camera. It’s been 2 weeks I will assume they’ve spoken with LE multiple times and feel speaking up again may help. I’m not telling you how to feel but being someone who has dealt with people who have lost people through tragedy what you find questionable is not that uncommon